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Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 223	Posted - 2013.08.20 00:09:00 - [1] - Quote What do you think about AV vs Vehicle... before we get 1.5, i want to CCP to know what the player base wants.... Please- people that are not specced into Vehicles, don't even bother replying here...
CuuCH Crusher Commando Perkone Caldari State 206	Posted - 2013.08.20 00:14:00 - [2] - Quote AV is fine. Tanks are overpriced.
Cosgar ParagonX 4369	Posted - 2013.08.20 00:21:00 - [3] - Quote Isn't it obvious? AV grenades are so effective that they eliminate the point of speccing into a light slot AV weapon. Proximity mines are underpowered and invisible swarms need to be addressed. Not sure what to do about forge guns quite yet. Draw distance would need to be improved before a proper assessment can be made.
Bob Teller Red Star. EoN. 65	Posted - 2013.08.20 00:29:00 - [4] - Quote I assume in 1.5 there will be about 1-2k playerbase,so who cares really,,,i'm gonna be playing final fantasy 14 in 5days!!!
Spkr4theDead International-Fleet 402	Posted - 2013.08.20 00:31:00 - [5] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: What do you think about AV vs Vehicle... before we get 1.5, i want to CCP to know what the player base wants.... Please- people that are not specced into Vehicles, don't even bother replying here... AV grenades and swarms obviously do too much damage. Proxy mines should get the AV grenade damage, and AV grenades should be used as they're intended, to chase away vehicles, rather than solo them. Swarm damage should be reduced by 10%, as well as like a few people have said on here, shouldn't be able to instantly do a 180 degree turn.
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 223	Posted - 2013.08.20 00:41:00 - [6] - Quote CuuCH Crusher wrote: AV is fine. Tanks are overpriced. Here we have a nub, who was killed by a tank and only had militia AV to counter it....
CuuCH Crusher Commando Perkone Caldari State 206	Posted - 2013.08.20 00:45:00 - [7] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: CuuCH Crusher wrote: AV is fine. Tanks are overpriced. Here we have a nub, who was killed by a tank and only had militia AV to counter it.... Lulz. Naw bro, I'm the guy who blows your tank up and makes you come here to cry about it.
Telleth DUST University Ivy League 108	Posted - 2013.08.20 00:45:00 - [8] - Quote Depends on the vehicle you use. Dropships are wasted by forge guns a bit fast. Tanks have it rough with swarms/nades. LAV's just have to worry blaster turrets and the occasional unmanned rail turrets. Though there is a question of how much of this is by design and how much is OP...
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 223	Posted - 2013.08.20 00:49:00 - [9] - Quote TBH, an ishyukone assault forgegun is doing 1900 damage in 1.8 seconds.... and even more than 1900 with dmg mods.... thats just dam op- so its approximately 1000 dmg per second... "OP"
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 223	Posted - 2013.08.20 00:50:00 - [10] - Quote CuuCH Crusher wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: CuuCH Crusher wrote: AV is fine. Tanks are overpriced. Here we have a nub, who was killed by a tank and only had militia AV to counter it.... Lulz. Naw bro, I'm the guy who blows your tank up and makes you come here to cry about it. and then you say tanks are OP? ok then...

Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 475	Posted - 2013.08.20 00:51:00 - [11] - Quote Ishukone Assault Forge Gun
CuuCH Crusher Commando Perkone Caldari State 207	Posted - 2013.08.20 00:53:00 - [12] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: CuuCH Crusher wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: CuuCH Crusher wrote: AV is fine. Tanks are overpriced. Here we have a nub, who was killed by a tank and only had militia AV to counter it.... Lulz. Naw bro, I'm the guy who blows your tank up and makes you come here to cry about it. and then you say tanks are OP? ok then... I never said they were. I don't cry about OP weapons. Check my post history.
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 223	Posted - 2013.08.20 00:55:00 - [13] - Quote CuuCH Crusher wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: CuuCH Crusher wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: CuuCH Crusher wrote: AV is fine. Tanks are overpriced. Here we have a nub, who was killed by a tank and only had militia AV to counter it.... Lulz. Naw bro, I'm the guy who blows your tank up and makes you come here to cry about it. and then you say tanks are OP? ok then... I never said they were. I don't cry about OP weapons. Check my post history. opee... i failed...
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 495	Posted - 2013.08.20 00:58:00 - [14] - Quote AV are fine its just some tankers dont know how to drive tanks
Medical Crash Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415 98	Posted - 2013.08.20 00:59:00 - [15] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: What do you think about AV vs Vehicle... before we get 1.5, i want to CCP to know what the player base wants.... Please- people that are not specced into Vehicles, don't even bother replying here... Trick question, there are no overpowered AV.
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 223	Posted - 2013.08.20 01:01:00 - [16] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: AV are fine its just some tankers dont know how to drive tanks -1 AV nades do over 2000 dmg, they can be spammed like hell, ishyukone AFG doing over 1000 dmg per second, swarms doing over 4000 dmg to armor tanks per swarm... where in the world did you get AV is fine?
P14GU3 The Southern Legion 301	Posted - 2013.08.20 01:26:00 - [17] - Quote AV grenades are the biggest issue and should be removed IMO. The rest of the AV is fine. AFG might need a small tweak to charge time, it really does charge WAY to fast. Also, we don't have proto tanks.. so try and balance with that in mind.
CuuCH Crusher Commando Perkone Caldari State 208	Posted - 2013.08.20 01:43:00 - [18] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: AV grenades are the biggest issue and should be removed IMO. The rest of the AV is fine. AFG might need a small tweak to charge time, it really does charge WAY to fast. Also, we don't have proto tanks.. so try and balance with that in mind. Once proto tank are released, it will be interesting to see how things are balanced. I'm a forge gunner and I welcome the challenge.
KING CHECKMATE Bragian Order Amarr Empire 580	Posted - 2013.08.20 01:44:00 - [19] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: What do you think about AV vs Vehicle... before we get 1.5, i want to CCP to know what the player base wants.... Please- people that are not specced into Vehicles, don't even bother replying here... AVs are fine. LLAVs are OP. Dropships need love.
KING CHECKMATE Bragian Order Amarr Empire 580	Posted - 2013.08.20 01:46:00 - [20] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: AV grenades are the biggest issue and should be removed IMO. The rest of the AV is fine. AFG might need a small tweak to charge time, it really does charge WAY to fast. Also, we don't have proto tanks.. so try and balance with that in mind. If the infantry ran all the way up to your vehicle he deserves the kill. If you were where you weren't supposed to be, you deserve to die. AV nades are fine.

Shokhann Echo Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 50	Posted - 2013.08.20 01:48:00 - [21] - Quote AV grenades are the most powerful AV weapon, they also don't have any negative aspect that i see, they allow the user to be efficient in both anti-infantry and anti-vehicle roles, completely ignoring the games style of "in order to gain, you must sacrifice". there are no penalties when working with AV grenades, they are used as primary AV weapons as seen in hitman's bias and ignorant video showing how easy it is to kill a tank solo. he put very little effort into killing that sica, he literally just places down a nanohive and just spams away with av nades, yeah that took some real skill (yes the driver we all admit was stupid) and then he has the Gaul to infer that tank drivers should get anti-av players in their turrets instead of regular infantry players, tankers NEVER have the ability to chose who gets in their turrets and who doesn't, we don't even have the ability to kick people out when they aren't of any use or are needed outside, he clearly demonstrates his complete lack f knowledge on tanks as a whole.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 37	Posted - 2013.08.20 06:55:00 - [22] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: P14GU3 wrote: AV grenades are the biggest issue and should be removed IMO. The rest of the AV is fine. AFG might need a small tweak to charge time, it really does charge WAY to fast. Also, we don't have proto tanks.. so try and balance with that in mind. If the infantry ran all the way up to your vehicle he deserves the kill. If you were where you weren't supposed to be, you deserve to die. AV nades are fine. That's like saying.. If a sniper shoots you you once they deserve it to be a kill, cause you walked across their line of sight.
broonfondle majikthies P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 173	Posted - 2013.08.20 07:08:00 - [23] - Quote My Chat yesterday during a domination: Team mate: "TANK!" Me: "what kind?" Team mate: "Don't know!" look over rail see its a MLT Throw 3 standard AV nades Me: "Gone" Team mate: "Oh... ok then... that was fast" Me: "And I only carry these to stop Balochs running me down, and it doesn't always work" I think the only thing that was surprising was that I got 3 kills out of it.
OSGR Valdez Contract Hunters 21	Posted - 2013.08.20 07:09:00 - [24] - Quote AV's fine :)
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. League of Infamy 615	Posted - 2013.08.20 07:13:00 - [25] - Quote Physics is by far the most OP AV weapon out there right now. I mean come on CCP nerf physics now before it ruins this game. I also demand you alter phlank's constant, just to **** those hoity-toity quantum mechanics profs. off; I'm tired of their high-falootin' chicanery.
broonfondle majikthies P.O.N.A.G.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 173	Posted - 2013.08.20 07:17:00 - [26] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Physics is by far the most OP AV weapon out there right now. I mean come on CCP nerf physics now before it ruins this game. I also demand you alter phlank's constant, just to ** those hoity-toity quantum mechanics profs. off; I'm tired of their high-falootin' chicanery. Can they nurf gravity too? its f*ing up my dropship something fierce. The inverse square rule is too harsh
Torr Wrath Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 743	Posted - 2013.08.20 07:51:00 - [27] - Quote Swarm Launchers are a good start.. considering they scale better than any other weapon in the game so far and drastically outclass any other av option for killing HAV's.. thats prertty much it. standard swarm launchers are.. well standard av, makes sense for dps. advanced starts getting hard to survive even a single guy shooting you. Proto = a dead tank if the single guy using them has a brain. if more than one you may as well have just lit the isk on fire and stayed in the redline for all the use you will be.
Bravo614 Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2013.08.20 08:13:00 - [28] - Quote I personally think AV grenades and swam launchers are pretty balance right now. As true tanker~ with all the good mods, turret and tanks are good enough for me to survive all those basic AV and swam launchers ~ dont get me wrong ! Im not saying I have those proto tank that give me 6000+ armor or shield and super fast repair mod~ what really bare me out most of the bad situation is the taking skill I developed in battlefield 3~ which include block peeking, map awareness, good gunners and most importantly ~ knowing when to retreat. (RivalxFactor know way more tanking skill than I do~ check out his bf3 channel if you like ) now this is just simply my opinion~ rather its good or not is for you to decide (sorry for my bad english) *If you think this is a bad reply, im sincerely sorry for wasting your time to read my post..
Ninjanomyx Imperfects Negative-Feedback 244	Posted - 2013.08.20 08:28:00 - [29] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: AV grenades are the biggest issue and should be removed IMO. The rest of the AV is fine. AFG might need a small tweak to charge time, it really does charge WAY to fast. Also, we don't have proto tanks.. so try and balance with that in mind. The Charge Time is fine. It's an "Assault Variant" after all. Damage should be reduced to account for RoF, less than Basic. Not being able to "Hold" a charge is no excuse. Play "Taps" like a "Pro" & see why AFG is simply a "Win-Button"
Ninjanomyx Imperfects Negative-Feedback 244	Posted - 2013.08.20 09:02:00 - [30] - Quote Bravo614 wrote: I personally think AV grenades and swam launchers are pretty balance right now. As true tanker~ with all the good mods, turret and tanks are good enough for me to survive all those basic AV and swam launchers ~ dont get me wrong ! Im not saying I have those proto tank that give me 6000+ armor or shield and super fast repair mod~ what really bare me out most of the bad situation is the taking skill I developed in battlefield 3~ which include block peeking, map awareness, good gunners and most importantly ~ knowing when to retreat. (RivalxFactor know way more tanking skill than I do~ check out his bf3 channel if you like ) now this is just simply my opinion~ rather its good or not is for you to decide (sorry for my bad english) If you think this is a bad reply, im sincerely sorry for wasting your time to read my post.. It's not a "Bad Reply"....your English is fine. The problem I have with this is that we cannot compare DUST 514 & Battlefield 3 Tanking. 1st & foremost we pay excessive ISK prices vs reward gains. In BF3 there is no real sense of Loss b/c there is no Investment. You may simply Respawn & wait 10-20 Seconds for another. Also "Countermeasures".....Smoke, IR Scopes, constant AoE Scan, LOL Reactive Armor, HMG w/o Cooldown, Instagib Turret (Even Splash), it's just.....there is no comparison. Also, I can hop out w/ a Repair Tool SOLO & keep my Tank repped up against at least 2 AVers or 1 Tank/APC/Jet/Heli. Passive HP Regen surely is better than even the current Shield HAVs as you are in & out of Combat Engagements with great Frequency. If you have just 1 Teammate Rep you.....you become almost impervious to Damage. 2nd Gunner w/ Assist Perks complementing Main Perks, & Rep Tool "Just in case...." makes an impervious FREE "Death Machine". I rarely see my only "Counter" (C4) really bother me w/ Scanner....& that's when Solo. If someone "Jacks" the Tank, should I hop out to Rep, it's not a "Loss".....just a D*K move. But forget about DUST "Tanks".....they are a "Punished Coffin on Wheels"........ Anyone asking for Driver & Gunner "Separation" and "AMMO Cost" are ignorant & likely do not play other Games to realize their ignorance PS: I hope you are not referring to "Good Gunners" as in "Small Turrets"..... If so, then & only then, would your Post be "Bad"

Text Grant Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 105	Posted - 2013.08.20 09:36:00 - [31] - Quote Large blaster turrets are op! ANTI VEHICLE is mediocre at best on doing its job
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 132	Posted - 2013.08.20 09:46:00 - [32] - Quote Have you all forgotten that we only have standard tanks while they have prototype gear? Though I do think AV 'nades are OP...
Chances Ghost Inf4m0us 404	Posted - 2013.08.20 09:59:00 - [33] - Quote swarms and forge guns, specifically when they hide beyond the render distance (they can see farther than tanks due to tanks rendering farther away than infantry) they nuke you and they and there projectiles are invisable to everyone. CCP the most OP AV weapon is render distance, fix it
Sylwester Dziewiecki Beyond Hypothetical Box 144	Posted - 2013.08.20 10:13:00 - [34] - Quote It should look like this: Orbital Railgun HAV Missile HAV Blaster HAV Forge Guns Proximity Mines Plasma Cannon Swarm Launcher Remote Mines AV /Flux grenades
Text Grant Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 105	Posted - 2013.08.20 10:18:00 - [35] - Quote Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: It should look like this: Orbital Railgun HAV Missile HAV Blaster HAV Forge Guns Proximity Mines Plasma Cannon Swarm Launcher Remote Mines AV /Flux grenades More like infantry>av>vehicles>infantry
MarasdF Loron Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 50	Posted - 2013.08.20 10:32:00 - [36] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: AV are fine its just some tankers dont know how to drive tanks I've gotten in game mail from you that I have badass tank. Now tell me how am I failing with my "badass tank" when it can be killed in 2 hits which takes roughly 3 secs for me to go down (the time it takes for repper to activate).
MarasdF Loron Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 50	Posted - 2013.08.20 10:39:00 - [37] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: P14GU3 wrote: AV grenades are the biggest issue and should be removed IMO. The rest of the AV is fine. AFG might need a small tweak to charge time, it really does charge WAY to fast. Also, we don't have proto tanks.. so try and balance with that in mind. If the infantry ran all the way up to your vehicle he deserves the kill. If you were where you weren't supposed to be, you deserve to die. AV nades are fine. Tell me how I could have avoided this situation: I am deep in my redline, calling in my tank, someone in LLAV sees that I am calling in a tank so he rushes into the redline with lai dai packed nades and kills my tank before I can get into it. I admit he deserves the kill by coming to suicide himself in the redline but I still think it is bs, I don't deserve to lose a tank like that.
Lazy Scumbag The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 31	Posted - 2013.08.20 10:48:00 - [38] - Quote Flaylocks. Totally.
MarasdF Loron Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 50	Posted - 2013.08.20 11:00:00 - [39] - Quote Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: It should look like this: AV Grenade Swarm Launcher / Forge Gun Railgun HAV Blaster HAV Flux Grenade Orbital Missile HAV Proximity Mines / Remote Mines Fixed.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 213	Posted - 2013.08.20 11:27:00 - [40] - Quote Ninjanomyx wrote: It's not a "Bad Reply"....your English is fine. The problem I have with this is that we cannot compare DUST 514 & Battlefield 3 Tanking. 1st & foremost we pay excessive ISK prices vs reward gains. In BF3 there is no real sense of Loss b/c there is no Investment. You may simply Respawn & wait 10-20 Seconds for another. Also "Countermeasures".....Smoke, IR Scopes, constant AoE Scan, LOL Reactive Armor, HMG w/o Cooldown, Instagib Turret (Even Splash), it's just.....there is no comparison. Also, I can hop out w/ a Repair Tool SOLO & keep my Tank repped up against at least 2 AVers or 1 Tank/APC/Jet/Heli. Passive HP Regen surely is better than even the current Shield HAVs as you are in & out of Combat Engagements with great Frequency. If you have just 1 Teammate Rep you.....you become almost impervious to Damage. 2nd Gunner w/ Assist Perks complementing Main Perks, & Rep Tool "Just in case...." makes an impervious FREE "Death Machine". I rarely see my only "Counter" (C4) really bother me w/ Scanner....& that's when Solo. If someone "Jacks" the Tank, should I hop out to Rep, it's not a "Loss".....just a D**K move. But forget about DUST "Tanks".....they are a "Punished Coffin on Wheels"........ Anyone asking for Driver & Gunner "Separation" and "AMMO Cost" are ignorant & likely do not play other Games to realize their ignorance PS: I hope you are not referring to "Good Gunners" as in "Small Turrets"..... If so, then & only then, would your Post be "Bad" Well to be be fair you also have to mention how ridiculously easy tanks are to destroy in BF3. Mines instant kill. 2 RPGs (well placed mind you). Tracking Javelins. Rep tool. C4. Jihad jeeps. Point being you really have to learn how to survive in a BF3 tank it's not easy. Granted there are counter measures but still you die really really fast so I think his point on tactics is valid. One thing is, what are we rebalancing towards? Pub matches? AV and price outpace tankers so much that only the best really can use these and make a decent profit. PC? Here I think tanks are much much more balanced in terms of price. AV may still have an advantage but with organized teams and Clone price it's a lot harder to take out tanks alone.

XxGhazbaranxX Bannana Boat Corp 286	Posted - 2013.08.20 11:41:00 - [41] - Quote AV is working as intended; properly skilled Tankers are rarely killed by child toys. May I ad that we have proto AV weaponry and no ADV or Proto tanks; May I ad even further that with the pilot suit coming taks and all vehicles for that matter will be much much mre lethal than they already are. I have forge gunnnery 5 and spec 3 and I've gone against tankers that shrug it off like if it was a preeschooler hitting a car with his plain fist. After youve invested 18 million skill points into vehicles only and have not branched out into any other areas and still die then you can say AV is OP. I know too many tanker who have actually had their sp invested into these beasties and need a whole team to be taken out so chill. It's a standard tank. Asking for nerf or buff now will only unbalance things when adv and proto vehicles come out
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 933	Posted - 2013.08.20 11:42:00 - [42] - Quote Crutch swarms and AV nades AV nades do more damage than AV mines - wtf? swap the damage and that is fixed AV nades should lose the homing crutch - if you cant hit that tank without needing the homing crutch to make up for your lack of aim then it shouldnt hit simple as, if the AV nade misses 2seconds fuse then it dissappears, AV nade blows up on contact with vehicle thus requiring aim 1.Invisible missiles - Basically protects the user from being detected, once fixed we can find the user and kill em 2.Corner bending missiles - Around corners/cover, basically OP since cover is useless, once fixed cover is useful and they have to move to get a shot on to make sure the missiles hit 3.Insta locking - Can fire so many volleys in a short time, the lock on is too quick, if it was longer they would have to expose themseleves and thus take a risk instead of lol now you see me now you dont and i just fire a volley at you 4.Locking through objects - Once again you may be able to see a tiny corner of the tank which then reveals the big red square for you to lock on to, problem is the big red square is through 5ft of concrete so you really shouldnt be able to lock on to it, when fixed they have to be able to see the square and thus expose themseleves and take a risk 5.Maintaining lock - Now you can maintain lock even when you are not looking at the target, you can lock on then look up so when you fire the missiles it goes over the cover you are using and can still hit the vehicle, frankly as soon as you look away you should lose lock so once again they have to be able to see the vehicle and lock on and thus expose themselves so they have to take a risk 6.Bunny hopping - You can lock on and fire when bunny hopping, try that with a FG and you miss the vast majority of the time, frankly you shouldnt be able to jump around and even get a lock thus they have to expose themselevs and take a risk but also you have a damn missile on your shoulder 7.No skill - Missiles do all the work, you dont have to aim or even maintain lock on for the missiles to hit, if you have to maintain the lock that would be harder but also it means they have to maintain the lock and keep aiming until they hit and put in some risk 7a.Fire & forget - Same thing as no skill, missiles do all the work and you can go back to shooting as your missiles fly through the air to the target, now just imagaine like above you had to maintain lock on for the missiles to hit or even as soon as you swap away from the SL your missiles blow up so the player has to risk again to make sure its on target FG does more damage than a large vehicle mounted railgun, thats my only problem with it other than that it requires aim to use
Racro 01 Arifistan The Surrogates Of War 21	Posted - 2013.08.20 11:46:00 - [43] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: P14GU3 wrote: AV grenades are the biggest issue and should be removed IMO. The rest of the AV is fine. AFG might need a small tweak to charge time, it really does charge WAY to fast. Also, we don't have proto tanks.. so try and balance with that in mind. If the infantry ran all the way up to your vehicle he deserves the kill. If you were where you weren't supposed to be, you deserve to die. AV nades are fine. what if its a blaster tank and you kill the guy 40m's away and he still manages to kill you with laidai packed av nades blasters need close range to deal with targets but that also means getting into av nade range unfortunalty at times on some maps/layouts.
MarasdF Loron Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 50	Posted - 2013.08.20 12:24:00 - [44] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: After youve invested 18 million skill points into vehicles only and have not branched out into any other areas and still die then you can say AV is OP. Tell me again how you can invest 18 million SP into vehicles without branching?
NAV HIV The Generals EoN. 342	Posted - 2013.08.20 12:27:00 - [45] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: What do you think about AV vs Vehicle... before we get 1.5, i want to CCP to know what the player base wants.... Please- people that are not specced into Vehicles, don't even bother replying here... Get rid of those damn scrub mobiles and fix the MD. I can take out a Gunlogi very easily with a MD
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 231	Posted - 2013.08.20 19:23:00 - [46] - Quote Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: It should look like this: Orbital Railgun HAV Missile HAV Blaster HAV Forge Guns Proximity Mines Plasma Cannon Swarm Launcher Remote Mines AV /Flux grenades -1
R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 338	Posted - 2013.08.20 19:29:00 - [47] - Quote So what you want is a one sided debate where only vehicle users get to voice their opinion? Laughable!! AV is fine except for the occasional invisible swarm. Definitely fine in terms of damage...especially considering proto vehicles haven't even been released yet. Yes, proto AV weapons should demolish current vehicles, especially given how stupid many vehicle users drive. Those who say swarms should lose their homing ability must be drunk, because only fools don't realise swarms are too slow to hit anything without homing. In short: vehicles shouldn't stomp everything else unopposed, and AV is fine in its current form.
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 231	Posted - 2013.08.20 19:36:00 - [48] - Quote R'adeh Hunt wrote: So what you want is a one sided debate where only vehicle users get to voice their opinion? Laughable!! AV is fine except for the occasional invisible swarm. Definitely fine in terms of damage...especially considering proto vehicles haven't even been released yet. Yes, proto AV weapons should demolish current vehicles, especially given how stupid many vehicle users drive. Those who say swarms should lose their homing ability must be drunk, because only fools don't realise swarms are too slow to hit anything without homing. In short: vehicles shouldn't stomp everything else unopposed, and AV is fine in its current form. Why i want the vehicle drivers that also do AV to talk, because most of you AV people dont know what it feels like to drive a tank because when their is a tank on AV battle, the tank is the one under attack...
R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 338	Posted - 2013.08.20 19:38:00 - [49] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: So what you want is a one sided debate where only vehicle users get to voice their opinion? Laughable!! AV is fine except for the occasional invisible swarm. Definitely fine in terms of damage...especially considering proto vehicles haven't even been released yet. Yes, proto AV weapons should demolish current vehicles, especially given how stupid many vehicle users drive. Those who say swarms should lose their homing ability must be drunk, because only fools don't realise swarms are too slow to hit anything without homing. In short: vehicles shouldn't stomp everything else unopposed, and AV is fine in its current form. Why i want the vehicle drivers that also do AV to talk, because most of you AV people dont know what it feels like to drive a tank because when their is a tank on AV battle, the tank is the one under attack... Read some of the suggestions in this thread...they're beyond laughable. To ask swarm homing to be removed for example is beyond clownish. Also, most vehicle users conveniently forget that they aren't even driving proto tanks...so OF COURSE proto AV weapons hurt them...as they should. My proto scrambler pistol also hurts standard suits...I don't see them constantly whine about it.
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 404	Posted - 2013.08.20 19:44:00 - [50] - Quote Forge gun isn't AV. Please stop adding them in a AV thread.

Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 231	Posted - 2013.08.20 19:47:00 - [51] - Quote R'adeh Hunt wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: So what you want is a one sided debate where only vehicle users get to voice their opinion? Laughable!! AV is fine except for the occasional invisible swarm. Definitely fine in terms of damage...especially considering proto vehicles haven't even been released yet. Yes, proto AV weapons should demolish current vehicles, especially given how stupid many vehicle users drive. Those who say swarms should lose their homing ability must be drunk, because only fools don't realise swarms are too slow to hit anything without homing. In short: vehicles shouldn't stomp everything else unopposed, and AV is fine in its current form. Why i want the vehicle drivers that also do AV to talk, because most of you AV people dont know what it feels like to drive a tank because when their is a tank on AV battle, the tank is the one under attack... Read some of the suggestions in this thread...they're beyond laughable. To ask swarm homing to be removed for example is beyond clownish. Also, most vehicle users conveniently forget that they aren't even driving proto tanks...so OF COURSE proto AV weapons hurt them...as they should. My proto scrambler pistol also hurts standard suits...I don't see them constantly whine about it. please tell me where it says swarms need their homing ability taken away.... Proto Av is the OP part, the vehicle in this game are not standard they come in tires, yes it says STD when you point to a gunnlogi but wtf is an Enforcer tank.? it says enforcer when you point to it.. so its not STD but its not Prototype and nor is is ADV.... same with LLAV, and scout LAV and logi Dropship and assault DS... Their not gonna add no dam prototype dropship or LAV... why is a fking ishyukone AFS doing 2000+ dmg in 1.8 seconds, why are AV nades the primary AV weapon for most people... why are swarms doing 4000 dmg to poor armor tanks and locking on in half a second... dude you can fking solo madrugar with milita swarm and packed av nades, thats just god dam sad..
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 232	Posted - 2013.08.20 19:49:00 - [52] - Quote FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Forge gun isn't AV. Please stop adding them in a AV thread. IAFG> any tank ever made.../ anything ever made.
Uravm0d groundforce Famous.OTF Only The Famous 4	Posted - 2013.08.20 20:54:00 - [53] - Quote OK I run mostly a madruger blaster and part time Swarms, on my tank the most valuable module is my scanner it saved my tank more times than anything else. The best way to drive a tank is to support your team even better if your in a squad that's calling out threats. Tankers complaining that tanks are useless I think you possibly have the wrong idea of what a tank should be able to do, they were never intended as i win buttons playing king of the hill. With a bad team tanks are incredibly hard to keep from being blown up as you have no support however on a good team you can bulldoze anything in your path. As for proto AV yeah it hits hard and yeah we don't have the marauders atm bit unfair but i'm not complaining because even if they were available I would still probably still be running the madrugar as its nice and cheap for pub matches and overall fairly good at what it does. Would say though I do feel forge guns do a little too much damage to Armour tanks considering shield tanks don't have to worry as much about swarms, plasma cannons, av grenades pretty much most of the av weapons.
Tek Hound Death In Xcess Corporation 34	Posted - 2013.08.20 20:56:00 - [54] - Quote Bob Teller wrote: I assume in 1.5 there will be about 1-2k playerbase,so who cares really,,,i'm gonna be playing final fantasy 14 in 5days!!! You have to pay to play and your sp Is limited like dust.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3064	Posted - 2013.08.20 21:30:00 - [55] - Quote Plasma cannons are way too slow and weak to be effective AV weapons. Vehicles are overpriced. Large missiles are terrible at everything and can't hit AVers Armor HAVs are favored over shield HAVs, despite all useful AV weapons being anti-armor. (player stupidity)
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3064	Posted - 2013.08.20 21:31:00 - [56] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: R'adeh Hunt wrote: So what you want is a one sided debate where only vehicle users get to voice their opinion? Laughable!! AV is fine except for the occasional invisible swarm. Definitely fine in terms of damage...especially considering proto vehicles haven't even been released yet. Yes, proto AV weapons should demolish current vehicles, especially given how stupid many vehicle users drive. Those who say swarms should lose their homing ability must be drunk, because only fools don't realise swarms are too slow to hit anything without homing. In short: vehicles shouldn't stomp everything else unopposed, and AV is fine in its current form. Why i want the vehicle drivers that also do AV to talk, because most of you AV people dont know what it feels like to drive a tank because when their is a tank on AV battle, the tank is the one under attack... I do both, read my previous post.


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