Inferior? Not sure about that. It'll essentially be halfway between an assault and a heavy except i get 5 armor per second passive repair.

Ill probably never run it, I enjoy my equipment too much to give it all up for pure tank, but I can guarantee that there will be many people who will run the build.

Gonna be a lot of QQ for further cal logi nerfs after 1.4 drops I'm sure.

Yep, I think I will be spending some time in the MCC or running with my free scout suit watching the kill feed to see how OP this update will make the dual tanked shield suits and how many Massholes will be running around.

Except that the most commonly used weapon in the game destroys armor.

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Look i'm not going to argue that armor wasn't UP before this upcoming buff because it was, but not for a lack of HP, but rather because of the high CPU/PG costs of the plates and reppers, and the steap movement speed penalties on the complex plates. With the increase in HP armor will become the defacto tank in Dust leading to even more increased HP pools and the death of the AR, and ASCR in competitive team play. Whatever non explosive weapon play style that was usefull in the game before will become an afterthought as the only weapons that will be able to kill the new armor tank will be the MD, and Flaylock (the SMG will be ok but will not be as effective as the other 2 weapons).

We will also see evermy match consist of players consuming nanohives to replace the dust players new primary weapon, the core locust grenade (if it wasn't already).

Basically what i'm trying to say is, this patch is going to place explosives to the forefront, to the point where the mass driver become more prevelant than the AR. Some of you may applaud the death of the AR, however I think that will be short lived.

Well the most common wep right now is the Ar which does bonus to shields... But come 1.4 we will probably see the rise of flux and MD or combat rifle.

Well the most common wep right now is the Ar which does bonus to shields... But come 1.4 we will probably see the rise of flux and MD or combat rifle.

Who says combat rifle is coming in 1.4

I was referring to grenades. It gets so bad at times that people instinctively go for their Cores and M1s before they even consider pulling a trigger. With the current buff, Gallente can die to 2 grenades instead of 1 with the slight change of getting away.

I was referring to grenades. It gets so bad at times that people instinctively go for their Cores and M1s before they even consider pulling a trigger. With the current buff, Gallente can die to 2 grenades instead of 1 with the slight change of getting away.

Why should the ar be more important than the md? they both are light weapons... I actually like the fact that I have been seing less ars lately, it brings diversity to the game.

This is exactly why I think dual tanking shouldn't be viable. Just epic omni-tanking, specially since the CK.0 gets +5 armor repair which is a bonus it doesn't deserve, his armor repair shouldn't be on equal footing to a armor tanked suit. And since shields can take a beating he has more HP than any other suit aside from a heavy.

If the programming issues are ever cleared up we may see logi suits get some kind of equipment bonuses. Possibly at the removal of the armor-rep-bonus Logis now have.

Confirming 20 HP more per plate will make armour ludicrously OP and the 'de facto' choice of elite players everywhere.


Even in your edge case of 5x complex plates (which nobody will fit because their powergrid will overload and they'll barely be able to move) that's a difference of just a few more bullets. Of course, as you fit 5x complex plate you are also barely able to rep, unless you make use of a stationary and hard to fit item which is rather vulnerable, or have a teammate fit an item specifically to deal with you frequently. Should you be cut off from either, you can expect to die a slow and horrible death as you bleed armour in every engagement, while taking more damage each engagement because the opponent can hit you much more easily.
Alternatively, you are liable to be killed through your armour buffer because of a certain locus grenade being able to one shot through your entire buffer.

Yep, armour OP. Let's go nerf it, to say 1 extra HP per plate. How does that sound?

by that logic, shouldn't cal logis have their extender bonus back?

I mean it was only at maximum 3 more bullets we could take. However we had almost the entire forum base kicking and screaming about how OP cal logis were, and to this day the majority of the forums still hate the dropsuit just because.

x5 which is 100-150ehp buff to gallante logi's (far greater than the nerf to caladi logi's). To go along with a movement seed buff.

Cal Logis still can get more HP than any other medium suit, even a Gallente Logistics.

16 shield tankers running around with MD, Core Locus and Nanos...

the flux hits followed by MD from the other team.... where is you squad?

Yeah but only 1-2 bullets more health.

Depends what your getting shot from.

go back and reread my comments maybe, im trying to say that counting health in number of bullets is bad.

Wait wut? Isn't that what you just did...

How is it flawed, armor is less resistant to damage than shields and this is a known fact. 100 shields =/= 100 armor. The Caldari logistics could get 1100 HP, almost 700 of that HP was just in shields, while a Gallente Logistics can only max 520 HP in armor if he mitigates speed penalties. If it wasn't for the fact the suits high CPU/PG was abused to stack very powerful plates along with their extremely power shields, and a powerful gun to get HP and damage rivaling that of a heavy they wouldn't have been nerfed which is exactly why I think dual tanking shouldn't be so effective. Just because the numbers look the same doesn't mean that they are, 500 shields is more useful than 500 armor, now if lets say we have 500 shields vs 625 armor then we are closer to having equal usefulness when it comes to damage resistance. I honestly think the Caldari Logistics should get its bonus back, but only if they do something to keep it from dual tanking.

This is exactly why I think dual tanking shouldn't be viable. Just epic omni-tanking, specially since the CK.0 gets +5 armor repair which is a bonus it doesn't deserve, his armor repair shouldn't be on equal footing to a armor tanked suit. And since shields can take a beating he has more HP than any other suit aside from a heavy.

He will also be as slow as a heavy