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BL4CKST4R
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Posted - 2013.08.19 02:11:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:I'm excited for the change, my cal logissault build for pubs is gonna rock.
3 enhanced plates
1 CPU mod
2 damage mods
3 extenders
Duvolle
Core locus
Ishukone gauged nanos.
This is gonna rock, can't wait for the tears.
This is exactly why I think dual tanking shouldn't be viable. |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 02:40:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:I'm excited for the change, my cal logissault build for pubs is gonna rock.
3 enhanced plates
1 CPU mod
2 damage mods
3 extenders
Duvolle
Core locus
Ishukone gauged nanos.
This is gonna rock, can't wait for the tears. An inferior heavy suit with no sidearm but has a nanohive... Not sure what to say.  Inferior? Not sure about that. It'll essentially be halfway between an assault and a heavy except i get 5 armor per second passive repair. Ill probably never run it, I enjoy my equipment too much to give it all up for pure tank, but I can guarantee that there will be many people who will run the build. Gonna be a lot of QQ for further cal logi nerfs after 1.4 drops I'm sure.
Yep, I think I will be spending some time in the MCC or running with my free scout suit watching the kill feed to see how OP this update will make the dual tanked shield suits and how many Massholes will be running around. |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 03:07:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Cosgar wrote:
Except that the most commonly used weapon in the game destroys armor.
Well the most common wep right now is the Ar which does bonus to shields... But come 1.4 we will probably see the rise of flux and MD or combat rifle.
Who says combat rifle is coming in 1.4  |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 14:18:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Confirming 20 HP more per plate will make armour ludicrously OP and the 'de facto' choice of elite players everywhere.  Even in your edge case of 5x complex plates (which nobody will fit because their powergrid will overload and they'll barely be able to move) that's a difference of just a few more bullets. Of course, as you fit 5x complex plate you are also barely able to rep, unless you make use of a stationary and hard to fit item which is rather vulnerable, or have a teammate fit an item specifically to deal with you frequently. Should you be cut off from either, you can expect to die a slow and horrible death as you bleed armour in every engagement, while taking more damage each engagement because the opponent can hit you much more easily. Alternatively, you are liable to be killed through your armour buffer because of a certain locus grenade being able to one shot through your entire buffer. Yep, armour OP. Let's go nerf it, to say 1 extra HP per plate. How does that sound? by that logic, shouldn't cal logis have their extender bonus back? I mean it was only at maximum 3 more bullets we could take. However we had almost the entire forum base kicking and screaming about how OP cal logis were, and to this day the majority of the forums still hate the dropsuit just because.
Cal Logis still can get more HP than any other medium suit, even a Gallente Logistics. |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 14:56:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Cal Logis still can get more HP than any other medium suit, even a Gallente Logistics. Yeah but only 1-2 bullets more health.
Depends what your getting shot from. |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 14:59:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Cal Logis still can get more HP than any other medium suit, even a Gallente Logistics. Yeah but only 1-2 bullets more health. Depends what your getting shot from. go back and reread my comments maybe, im trying to say that counting health in number of bullets is bad.
Wait wut? Isn't that what you just did...
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Posted - 2013.08.19 15:16:00 -
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How is it flawed, armor is less resistant to damage than shields and this is a known fact. 100 shields =/= 100 armor. The Caldari logistics could get 1100 HP, almost 700 of that HP was just in shields, while a Gallente Logistics can only max 520 HP in armor if he mitigates speed penalties. If it wasn't for the fact the suits high CPU/PG was abused to stack very powerful plates along with their extremely power shields, and a powerful gun to get HP and damage rivaling that of a heavy they wouldn't have been nerfed which is exactly why I think dual tanking shouldn't be so effective. Just because the numbers look the same doesn't mean that they are, 500 shields is more useful than 500 armor, now if lets say we have 500 shields vs 625 armor then we are closer to having equal usefulness when it comes to damage resistance. I honestly think the Caldari Logistics should get its bonus back, but only if they do something to keep it from dual tanking. |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:34:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Just crunched the numbers on the fitting I posted:
I would have 443 shields and 476 armor with all armor and shield upgrades at 5.
I would have a move speed of 4.36 as I would suffer a 7.36% move speed penalty from the 3 enhanced plates.
Fitting cost:
521 CPU (528 max with basic CPU up to 614 max with complex CPU)
99/100 PG
Could easily fit an energizer instead of an extender (if using complex CPU upgrade) and free up enough PG to run some basic/adv equipment on top of the proto nanohives.
Needs DS Eng 5, DS Elec 5, and DS Core Ups 4.
Im probably going to get a minmatar logistics suit so I can dual tank like a pro. If you can't beat em join em  |
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:40:00 -
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BGoat wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:I'm excited for the change, my cal logissault build for pubs is gonna rock.
3 enhanced plates
1 CPU mod
2 damage mods
3 extenders
Duvolle
Core locus
Ishukone gauged nanos.
This is gonna rock, can't wait for the tears. That fit is laughable to me, putting on plates without any rep. Replace that Ishukone with a repping Allotek hive (it's possible) and maybe I'm not laughing anymore. Actually, no. You are still going to die while reloading since you have no sidearm, so I will continue laughing.
That is a logistics suit. |
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