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Defy Gravity
Famous.OTF
Only The Famous
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Posted - 2013.08.18 04:24:00 -
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They need more running speed, base health, CPU/PG. Its a waste of time unless you get proto. Really whats the point when a tactical kills you in two to three shots. A-And don't get me started on heavys and how fast they rip a scout apart. |
Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
448
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Posted - 2013.08.18 04:29:00 -
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more bass speed and cpu/pg i can agree with everything else is just stupid |
BARDAS
DUST University
Ivy League
316
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Posted - 2013.08.18 04:32:00 -
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Agreed. Faster base speed, more CPU/PG, extra equipment slot, ability to charge and sprint my nova's, and fixing hit detection on Knives and Shotguns pl0x.
EDIT: Oh and cloaking also  |
echo47
Sebiestor Field Sappers
Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2013.08.18 04:44:00 -
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Wrong, play your role. Scouts are not front line suits. |
Defy Gravity
Famous.OTF
Only The Famous
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Posted - 2013.08.18 04:46:00 -
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echo47 wrote:Wrong, play your role. Scouts are not front line suits.
Who said I was playing as an assault? |
danny12343331
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
149
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Posted - 2013.08.18 04:54:00 -
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echo47 wrote:Wrong, play your role. Scouts are not front line suits.
Honestly its funny when i see this type of answer when someone is asking for scouts to get a survivalist buff, in my opinion it should because well lets face it its crap against everything now a days even a stray grenade can kill you and you would think that a scout has a role, but in reality it doesn't. An assault suit can do a scouts job. |
echo47
Sebiestor Field Sappers
Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2013.08.18 04:57:00 -
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If a tactical rifle gets a bead on you, or even a heavy you are out of position. Competent scouts can pretty much own the battlefield. From What I have seen performance wide in game, in my opinion, no buff is needed. Its a role specific light suit, its supposed to be fragile. |
Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.18 04:57:00 -
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I agree for a non abusive health buff, as for for the rest: no |
Defy Gravity
Famous.OTF
Only The Famous
75
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Posted - 2013.08.18 04:58:00 -
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danny12343331 wrote:echo47 wrote:Wrong, play your role. Scouts are not front line suits. Honestly its funny when i see this type of answer when someone is asking for scouts to get a survivalist buff, in my opinion it should because well lets face it its crap against everything now a days even a stray grenade can kill you and you would think that a scout has a role, but in reality it doesn't. An assault suit can do a scouts job.
Agreed |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1763
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Posted - 2013.08.18 04:59:00 -
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I cant imagine how you guys would be in other games, the scouts low health here is roughly average health in most other FPS games so me personally I dont think they need a buff
Well maybe increased stamina since it would make sense they could haul ass for a while without a full kit of gear weighing them down |
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Defy Gravity
Famous.OTF
Only The Famous
75
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Posted - 2013.08.18 05:04:00 -
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echo47 wrote:If a tactical rifle gets a bead on you, or even a heavy you are out of position. Competent scouts can pretty much own the battlefield. From What I have seen performance wide in game, in my opinion, no buff is needed. Its a role specific light suit, its supposed to be fragile.
So you expect ALL scouts to sit on there ass with a sniper pretty much... Well let me tell you something ******* CCP ruined the scout class. Even if your trying to sneak past someone there scan precision will STILL be able to pick you up. And howw can you survive when 1 complex shield extender eats away cpu/pg. and how can scouts live with armor that reduces the **** out of a scouts running speed. And Mass Drivers are the best Anti-Scout weapon ive seen. You run a scout and go 25 - 0 while the caldari suits running speed is on par with the gallente scouts running speed. |
Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
455
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Posted - 2013.08.18 05:10:00 -
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Scouts not a combat class, the only combat you should be involved in is with long range weapons assisting Assaults and Logi's |
BARDAS
DUST University
Ivy League
316
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Posted - 2013.08.18 05:46:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:Scouts not a combat class, the only combat you should be involved in is with long range weapons assisting Assaults and Logi's
I beg to differ. Just went 16/2 in a match about an hour ago running Nova's and SMG's. Scouts rock in combat if used correctly. The problem is there is only a certain subset of people who know how to use the suit correctly. And yes we need a buff. If anything goes wrong we die almost instantly to anything. |
echo47
Sebiestor Field Sappers
Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2013.08.18 06:06:00 -
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Defy Gravity wrote:echo47 wrote:If a tactical rifle gets a bead on you, or even a heavy you are out of position. Competent scouts can pretty much own the battlefield. From What I have seen performance wide in game, in my opinion, no buff is needed. Its a role specific light suit, its supposed to be fragile. So you expect ALL scouts to sit on there ass with a sniper pretty much... Well let me tell you something ******* CCP ruined the scout class. Even if your trying to sneak past someone there scan precision will STILL be able to pick you up. And howw can you survive when 1 complex shield extender eats away cpu/pg. and how can scouts live with armor that reduces the **** out of a scouts running speed. And Mass Drivers are the best Anti-Scout weapon ive seen. You run a scout and go 25 - 0 while the caldari suits running speed is on par with the gallente scouts running speed.
So you have maxed out all skills needed to be an effective scout?
No, I expect scouts to play whatever style suits them. Your suit has its drawbacks (HP), just like all other suits in the game. More CPU/PG more HP means speed would have to be slower. |
GET ATMESON
Dem Durrty Boyz
103
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Posted - 2013.08.18 06:07:00 -
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Defy Gravity wrote:They need more running speed, base health, CPU/PG. Its a waste of time unless you get proto. Really whats the point when a tactical kills you in two to three shots. A-And don't get me started on heavys and how fast they rip a scout apart.
Ummmm. If you run into a heavy and are that idiotic (for nice words) instead of going behind them with your shotty thats on you.
You don't see players that have been playing as scout for a very long time running right into a heavy. Scouts are the lowest EHP and heavys are the most EHP. Who do you think will win if its head to head if the heavy isnt flanked by the scout?
Scouts do need more speed. Its not right when a logy runs faster then a scout. As for more EHP i could agree with that only if they lose there highest normal regeneration on there shields. |
wripple
WarRavens
League of Infamy
9
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Posted - 2013.08.18 06:12:00 -
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Defy Gravity wrote:They need more running speed, base health, CPU/PG. Its a waste of time unless you get proto. Really whats the point when a tactical kills you in two to three shots. A-And don't get me started on heavys and how fast they rip a scout apart.
Change your playstyle up, you're clearly doing it wrong. You're essentially asking for a crazy fast assault suit. |
BARDAS
DUST University
Ivy League
316
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Posted - 2013.08.18 06:52:00 -
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wripple wrote:Defy Gravity wrote:They need more running speed, base health, CPU/PG. Its a waste of time unless you get proto. Really whats the point when a tactical kills you in two to three shots. A-And don't get me started on heavys and how fast they rip a scout apart. Change your playstyle up, you're clearly doing it wrong. You're essentially asking for a crazy fast assault suit.
No he isn't. The Scout HP will never be buffed, and honestly shouldn't, but what it does need is more CPU/PG and faster base speed at the very least. The cloaking devices being Scout only wouldn't hurt either. Try playing with the suit and see for yourself. I dare you to try and fit all your proto gear on it or keep positive in a match running like an assault. |
echo47
Sebiestor Field Sappers
Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2013.08.18 07:02:00 -
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BARDAS wrote:wripple wrote:Defy Gravity wrote:They need more running speed, base health, CPU/PG. Its a waste of time unless you get proto. Really whats the point when a tactical kills you in two to three shots. A-And don't get me started on heavys and how fast they rip a scout apart. Change your playstyle up, you're clearly doing it wrong. You're essentially asking for a crazy fast assault suit. No he isn't. The Scout HP will never be buffed, and honestly shouldn't, but what it does need is more CPU/PG and faster base speed at the very least. The cloaking devices being Scout only wouldn't hurt either. Try playing with the suit and see for yourself. I dare you to try and fit all your proto gear on it or keep positive in a match running like an assault.
Maybe a role-specific bonus like a reduction in CPU/PG costs for scout enhancing modules, biotics, code breakers, remotes and uplinks. |
BARDAS
DUST University
Ivy League
316
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Posted - 2013.08.18 07:09:00 -
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echo47 wrote:BARDAS wrote:wripple wrote:Defy Gravity wrote:They need more running speed, base health, CPU/PG. Its a waste of time unless you get proto. Really whats the point when a tactical kills you in two to three shots. A-And don't get me started on heavys and how fast they rip a scout apart. Change your playstyle up, you're clearly doing it wrong. You're essentially asking for a crazy fast assault suit. No he isn't. The Scout HP will never be buffed, and honestly shouldn't, but what it does need is more CPU/PG and faster base speed at the very least. The cloaking devices being Scout only wouldn't hurt either. Try playing with the suit and see for yourself. I dare you to try and fit all your proto gear on it or keep positive in a match running like an assault. Maybe a role-specific bonus like a reduction in CPU/PG costs for scout enhancing modules, biotics, code breakers, remotes and uplinks.
I would take that bonus if offered by CCP. Especially for biotics since I stack Kincats. Those buggers eat up a lot of CPU/PG.
But yeah I could have invested in Minmatar Assault or even better Minmatar Logi for the hacking bonus and been better suited for the Scout role and had MUCH more survivability. Anything a Scout can do a Medium suit can do better currently. It is a big problem that needs to be addressed. |
Dimitri Rascolovitch
The Immortal Knights
34
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Posted - 2013.08.18 07:15:00 -
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I agree, even though i hate the little scout shotgun bastards, because currently my fatsuit cant properly track them, but scouts should have a much higher stamina and base movement speed because its a scout suit, the Cal Assault suit moves faster than the scout suit, which kinda makes the scout a pointless suit |
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OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
404
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Posted - 2013.08.18 19:51:00 -
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echo47 wrote:Wrong, play your role. Scouts are not front line suits.
Um minmatar is, it's the first into almost any city an the suit bonus an speed tell you it's basically a stalking tiger!
In out in out, an now since every suit in the game can move like a scout, they totally need a stamina, HP an speed buff, just to friggen get away |
Sleepy Zan
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
2461
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Posted - 2013.08.18 19:56:00 -
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Better natural stealth and scan buffs, more speed, and make them cheaper.
/thread |
Knight Soiaire
Better Hide R Die
1872
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Posted - 2013.08.18 19:57:00 -
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More speed and CPU/PG please, health isn't a problem when you can avoid getting hit, thats where the increased speed comes in.
I have a Minnie Medium Frame and it only runs 0.6m/s slower than my Scout with Complex Kin Catz but with twice as much tank. |
Sleepy Zan
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
2461
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Posted - 2013.08.18 19:57:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:Scouts not a combat class, the only combat you should be involved in is with long range weapons assisting Assaults and Logi's
Why would you use a scout for that? |
AXEL MIRADER2
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
0
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:53:00 -
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Im a scout about 7.2 mill sp and yes i think scouts need a buff nothing to drastic, higher base speed would be great so it encourages using the scout suit instead of speed tanking a meium frame, and maybe a slight pg/cpu increase but i thinks the most important would be to fix the hit detection on the 2 scout weapon staples:shotgun and nova knives
I just cant wait till teamview is removed so that one guy cant reveal my location to the whole enemy team when im killing him. |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
366
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Posted - 2013.08.19 00:19:00 -
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Defy Gravity wrote:They need more running speed, base health, CPU/PG. Its a waste of time unless you get proto. Really whats the point when a tactical kills you in two to three shots. A-And don't get me started on heavys and how fast they rip a scout apart.
As many have said, and to which many threads provide evidence, you are correct. Personally I think a bit more speed would be very helpful (.3 or .4 to walk/sprint), slightly more CPU/PG, increase of passive scan range by 5 or 10 meters, and of course the fixes to hit detection, lagging hit boxes, etc....
I'm not so much a fan of increased health, and extra slots seem maybe a bit much. I think that scouts should be suitably frail, fast and aware. I do about average in pub matches with a scout, but I can't imagine being a viable PC team addition.
The more I play as scout, the more I want them to be a more difficult class, requiring high skill and tactics to play. Does that make me a snob? |
Lightning Bolt2
DUST University
Ivy League
108
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Posted - 2013.08.19 00:41:00 -
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just buff the scouts to where an assault or logi can't do its job better. |
DISGRUNTLEDev
Ancient Exiles
36
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Posted - 2013.08.19 00:52:00 -
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I think a buff to PG would be enough. With maxed skills that's the block to scout builds. Weapons can get reductions to cpu usage, the the movement mods require a TON of PG with no real way to get more. This would also prevent putting all damage mods and/or shields on as those are very cpu based.
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hgghyujh
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
79
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Posted - 2013.08.19 02:35:00 -
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Defy Gravity wrote:They need more running speed, base health, CPU/PG. Its a waste of time unless you get proto. Really whats the point when a tactical kills you in two to three shots. A-And don't get me started on heavys and how fast they rip a scout apart.
If you are dieing to a heavy in a scout suit you are doing it wrong. realistically only rifle assaults and CQC explosives should be killing you. |
hgghyujh
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
79
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Posted - 2013.08.19 02:35:00 -
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Defy Gravity wrote:echo47 wrote:Wrong, play your role. Scouts are not front line suits. Who said I was playing as an assault?
you die to heavies. |
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