...at least for dropships, but honestly all vehicles.

I was flying my Python today and took quite a bit of damage from what I believe were proto swarms and some forge gun, leaving me with arout 150-200 of my 1000 armour left. So as I'm booking it out of there the fire alarm starts going off and I steadily begin to lose health, and being unable to either find a supply depot or recall my vehicle, I'm stuck behind my red line watching my 600k brick fall helplessly from the sky.

This is ridiculous for two reasons: It favors armour vehicles over shield and negates our last defense points.

Armour vehicles rarely have this problem, granted that they can repair their armour, but what can a shield vehicle do about it? The only options are to either carry a repair tool or find a supply depot, but really what kind of an answer is that? Am I supposed escape the AV players whilst on my last leg, land safely without blowing up my ship, all within the 3-5 seconds left of my ship's life? Ludicrous.

And why bother having the last 200hp of my armour if it doesn't even matter? Let our defenses be our defenses, not our detriment, that's what they're there for. Could you imagine if dropsuits used the same mechanic? I can't tell you how many close calls I've had that have left me with 1hp, imagine if I suddenly began to "lose air" or "my life support was damaged." Even in EvE the ships don't suffer damage from low structure health.

TL;DR/Less ranting: Remove the damaging "fire" mechanic for near-dead vehicles. It's unfair to shield vehicles and negates our hp.

...at least for dropships, but honestly all vehicles.

I was flying my Python today and took quite a bit of damage from what I believe were proto swarms and some forge gun, leaving me with arout 150-200 of my 1000 armour left. So as I'm booking it out of there the fire alarm starts going off and I steadily begin to lose health, and being unable to either find a supply depot or recall my vehicle, I'm stuck behind my red line watching my 600k brick fall helplessly from the sky.

This is ridiculous for two reasons: It favors armour vehicles over shield and negates our last defense points.

Armour vehicles rarely have this problem, granted that they can repair their armour, but what can a shield vehicle do about it? The only options are to either carry a repair tool or find a supply depot, but really what kind of an answer is that? Am I supposed escape the AV players whilst on my last leg, land safely without blowing up my ship, all within the 3-5 seconds left of my ship's life? Ludicrous.

And why bother having the last 200hp of my armour if it doesn't even matter? Let our defenses be our defenses, not our detriment, that's what they're there for. Could you imagine if dropsuits used the same mechanic? I can't tell you how many close calls I've had that have left me with 1hp, imagine if I suddenly began to "lose air" or "my life support was damaged." Even in EvE the ships don't suffer damage from low structure health.

TL;DR/Less ranting: Remove the damaging "fire" mechanic for near-dead vehicles. It's unfair to shield vehicles and negates our hp.

I think it might be a hey GTFO now. I'm sure people will complain if the ship just explodes with out giving a chance to bail out.
being a proto AV and a lav/DP pilot (scary i know). I have been on both ends of the love spectrum. As a pilot i'm glad that i get time to jump out of my vehicle and make a attempt to repair it, as a AV user i just want to see the vehicle burn. .

I'm not asking to remove the falling mechanic, just that if I have armour left, even 1 hp, I should be able to fly away and not fear blowing up from the stupid fire thing.

However, I do feel your plight for kills, which I have thought about as well. What about a third, unseen ehp bar for vehicle destruction? After all the hp has been depleted, the vehicle becomes immobile (dropships fall, wheeled/tracked vehicles begin to smolder), allowing the pilot to escape, unless so much damage has been done to deplete the unseen ehp, which would cause the vehicle to instantly explode.

Example: Dropship has 1000 shield and 500 armour, but 500 "structure" we'll call it. If you do 1500-1999, the ship is beyond repair and immobile, allowing the pilot to escape; the structure will eventually deplete destroying the ship. But if you do +2000, the ship will instantly explode.

I disagree with this for the following reasons.

1) The armor burning is a neat visual effect and we need to keep any of those we have to keep the game from looking bland.

2) Your vehicle burning is destroying your armor but the armor itself is not burning per say. I like to think of this as the vehicle, having taken major damage, is burning from internal fires in major systems caused by the most recent attack. So the engine, fuel, etc... in your vehicle is burning not the armor, though this does reasonably enough damage the armor.

3) You still have 200 hp worth of time to land, whip out a rep tool (which all good vehicle users carry) and rep the thing if you can't find the supply depot which is always near your ground base.

4) And this is one that almost every AV user, and some vehicle users (myself included) will agree too, vehicles should also have the chance of taking catastrophic damage (ie no slow fall from the sky or chance to bail out). If a vehicle suffers 120% of its armor hit points in damage (or reaches -1000hp whichever is less) it should simply explode. Sometimes the damage a vehicle takes is enough that it will simply explode, this will simulate this removing the chance to bail from your burning ship.

I think it might be a hey GTFO now. I'm sure people will complain if the ship just explodes with out giving a chance to bail out.
being a proto AV and a lav/DP pilot (scary i know). I have been on both ends of the love spectrum. As a pilot i'm glad that i get time to jump out of my vehicle and make a attempt to repair it, as a AV user i just want to see the vehicle burn. .

...at least for dropships, but honestly all vehicles.

I was flying my Python today and took quite a bit of damage from what I believe were proto swarms and some forge gun, leaving me with arout 150-200 of my 1000 armour left. So as I'm booking it out of there the fire alarm starts going off and I steadily begin to lose health, and being unable to either find a supply depot or recall my vehicle, I'm stuck behind my red line watching my 600k brick fall helplessly from the sky.

This is ridiculous for two reasons: It favors armour vehicles over shield and negates our last defense points.

Armour vehicles rarely have this problem, granted that they can repair their armour, but what can a shield vehicle do about it? The only options are to either carry a repair tool or find a supply depot, but really what kind of an answer is that? Am I supposed escape the AV players whilst on my last leg, land safely without blowing up my ship, all within the 3-5 seconds left of my ship's life? Ludicrous.

And why bother having the last 200hp of my armour if it doesn't even matter? Let our defenses be our defenses, not our detriment, that's what they're there for. Could you imagine if dropsuits used the same mechanic? I can't tell you how many close calls I've had that have left me with 1hp, imagine if I suddenly began to "lose air" or "my life support was damaged." Even in EvE the ships don't suffer damage from low structure health.

TL;DR/Less ranting: Remove the damaging "fire" mechanic for near-dead vehicles. It's unfair to shield vehicles and negates our hp.

I disagree with this for the following reasons.
4) And this is one that almost every AV user, and some vehicle users (myself included) will agree too, vehicles should also have the chance of taking catastrophic damage (ie no slow fall from the sky or chance to bail out). If a vehicle suffers 120% of its armor hit points in damage (or reaches -1000hp whichever is less) it should simply explode. Sometimes the damage a vehicle takes is enough that it will simply explode, this will simulate this removing the chance to bail from your burning ship.

I wouldn't say "remove" the mechanic but you can definitely seek to improve it. If you're a shield DP pilot resorting on armor then there's something wrong with that. Armor DP's are slower and not as agile. Meaning that escaping a volley of swarms (EXPLOSIVES BTW) is much harder.

Some things that can improve WP/S and Teamwork would allowing your passengers to repair you. This mechanic reminds me of BF3. It's a nice mechanic in there but one thing you can't do here is having your buddies repair for you.

I wouldn't say "remove" the mechanic but you can definitely seek to improve it. If you're a shield dropsuit user resorting on armor then there's something wrong with that. Armor suits are slower and not as agile. Meaning that escaping a volley of massdrivers (EXPLOSIVES BTW) is much harder. So if a shield dropsuit user gets down to 50-100 armour, they should die unless repaired.

Still agree? Only difference is it's much harder to get to safety and repair a dropship.

I do agree with your second part, but I feel like it could be abused a bit.

Edit: Also, what about forge guns? Shields dropships can't out speed them and are weak to rail weapons, not to mention they do more damage than swarms (which Armour dropships can still out speed, ask White - Lion about that one).

i have a simple solution to ur dropship burning problem.... PUT AN ARMOR REPPER ON UR STUPID DERPSHIP!...

Please let this be a troll.

Perhaps keep the fire as an effect, in order for it to be visually appealing, but make it stop causing damage. EVE does this once ships take enough structure damage. But seeing your dropship in flames is still a good "time to get out of dodge" indicator.

yeah, sorry we missed that from the patch notes, totally slipped my mind.

yeah, sorry we missed that from the patch notes, totally slipped my mind.

Wait, where are the patch notes?

Okay, so I poked wolfman with this thread immediately after my previous post.

Guess what?

Armor burn is gone in 1.4 :)

This bodes very well for my confidence in CCP Wolfman and Remnant for hteir upcoming vehicle overhaul!

Wait, where are the patch notes?

I think I love wolfman. There are scrambler pistols... and now this? The man deserves an epic theme song or jingle custom made that plays every time he does something right for dust 514.

yeah, sorry we missed that from the patch notes, totally slipped my mind.

Ah, maybe they've not been released yet. Double ooops!

*runs away*

well this will probably make tanks even harder to take out..

Out of all the tanks I've lost, not a single one was to armor burn.

Also, Wolfman, Love the response time. You got a friend in me.

...at least for dropships, but honestly all vehicles.

I was flying my Python today and took quite a bit of damage from what I believe were proto swarms and some forge gun, leaving me with arout 150-200 of my 1000 armour left. So as I'm booking it out of there the fire alarm starts going off and I steadily begin to lose health, and being unable to either find a supply depot or recall my vehicle, I'm stuck behind my red line watching my 600k brick fall helplessly from the sky.

This is ridiculous for two reasons: It favors armour vehicles over shield and negates our last defense points.

Armour vehicles rarely have this problem, granted that they can repair their armour, but what can a shield vehicle do about it? The only options are to either carry a repair tool or find a supply depot, but really what kind of an answer is that? Am I supposed escape the AV players whilst on my last leg, land safely without blowing up my ship, all within the 3-5 seconds left of my ship's life? Ludicrous.

And why bother having the last 200hp of my armour if it doesn't even matter? Let our defenses be our defenses, not our detriment, that's what they're there for. Could you imagine if dropsuits used the same mechanic? I can't tell you how many close calls I've had that have left me with 1hp, imagine if I suddenly began to "lose air" or "my life support was damaged." Even in EvE the ships don't suffer damage from low structure health.

TL;DR/Less ranting: Remove the damaging "fire" mechanic for near-dead vehicles. It's unfair to shield vehicles and negates our hp.

when will pve become available?

this is the one thing i cant wait for...

...or least what the devs have said in different forums/topics under one offical thing.

Okay, so I poked wolfman with this thread immediately after my previous post.

Guess what?

Armor burn is gone in 1.4 :)

This bodes very well for my confidence in CCP Wolfman and Remnant for hteir upcoming vehicle overhaul!

Out of all the tanks I've lost, not a single one was to armor burn.

Also, Wolfman, Love the response time. You got a friend in me.

Okay, so I poked wolfman with this thread immediately after my previous post.

Guess what?

Armor burn is gone in 1.4 :)

This bodes very well for my confidence in CCP Wolfman and Remnant for hteir upcoming vehicle overhaul!

Ah, maybe they've not been released yet. Double ooops!

*runs away*

If anything CCP should do the opposite and make it more common.

Vehicles in Dust are unlike most other FPS games, and not in a good way. You cannot "damage" a vehicle in Dust, only destroy it. By that I mean, you can bring a vehicle down to very low hit points and he can still move and fire and do everything else that he normally does without any penalty. You can't immobilise a tank by taking out his engine or tracks, you can't neuter a tank by destroying his turret or main gun. You can't even blow off one of the little turrets.

So If I fail to kill a tank, he can just roll round a corner, switch on his repper and come back in a minute back to 7000hp like nothing happened. It's ridiculous.

TL;DR - Take your scolding.

Okay, so I poked wolfman with this thread immediately after my previous post.

Guess what?

Armor burn is gone in 1.4 :)

This bodes very well for my confidence in CCP Wolfman and Remnant for hteir upcoming vehicle overhaul!

Ah, maybe they've not been released yet. Double ooops!

*runs away*

[Wolf]man deserves an epic theme song or jingle custom made that plays every time he does something right for dust 514.

A good "Time to get out of dodge" would be a siren or red lights flashing. Have only fire as an effect would be silly.

...at least for dropships, but honestly all vehicles.

I was flying my Python today and took quite a bit of damage from what I believe were proto swarms and some forge gun, leaving me with arout 150-200 of my 1000 armour left. So as I'm booking it out of there the fire alarm starts going off and I steadily begin to lose health, and being unable to either find a supply depot or recall my vehicle, I'm stuck behind my red line watching my 600k brick fall helplessly from the sky.

This is ridiculous for two reasons: It favors armour vehicles over shield and negates our last defense points.

Armour vehicles rarely have this problem, granted that they can repair their armour, but what can a shield vehicle do about it? The only options are to either carry a repair tool or find a supply depot, but really what kind of an answer is that? Am I supposed escape the AV players whilst on my last leg, land safely without blowing up my ship, all within the 3-5 seconds left of my ship's life? Ludicrous.

And why bother having the last 200hp of my armour if it doesn't even matter? Let our defenses be our defenses, not our detriment, that's what they're there for. Could you imagine if dropsuits used the same mechanic? I can't tell you how many close calls I've had that have left me with 1hp, imagine if I suddenly began to "lose air" or "my life support was damaged." Even in EvE the ships don't suffer damage from low structure health.

TL;DR/Less ranting: Remove the damaging "fire" mechanic for near-dead vehicles. It's unfair to shield vehicles and negates our hp.

When a tank gets blown up, everyone in it dies. When a dropship gets blown up, they get like a full thirty seconds to get out, and deny the AVer from getting any kills.

Dropships should simply explode.

Actually I like the armor burn, though I honestly do think vehicles should have 3 hp bars (shield, armor, systems), for those of you saying that this is no where else in the game may I refer you to "bleed out" for the regular dropsuits where you will die unless someone hits you with the nanite injector. If they take out the armor burn and don't have anything to replace it like systems burn the game will just be loosing another intresting element to it. It's like all the good parts of the game they keep removing such as keeping people in academy for least a full day or two. Also I have a post asking for the 1.4 notes...or least what the devs have said in different forums/topics under one offical thing.

Only remove fire damage if the dropship will just outright explode instead. Dropship users seem to get a pretty epic free pass, where they can all bail before the dropship hits the ground. It's kinda unfair.

can you "accidentally" reveal some more info about 1.4?

I haven't once gotten a dropship to outright explode, and that includes a full extra burst of proto swarms after it's already flaming and falling. It appears to have 0 health at that stage, but be unable to kill the crew inside.

Note that if you are low enough that you aren't offered the damper, you will almost always survive the fall, unless your health was already crippled.

yeah, sorry we missed that from the patch notes, totally slipped my mind.

In EVE Online, its Shields, Armour, Structure.

well this will probably make tanks even harder to take out..

Ah, maybe they've not been released yet. Double ooops!

*runs away*

yeah, sorry we missed that from the patch notes, totally slipped my mind.

Ah, maybe they've not been released yet. Double ooops!

*runs away*

Only remove fire damage if the dropship will just outright explode instead. Dropship users seem to get a pretty epic free pass, where they can all bail before the dropship hits the ground. It's kinda unfair.

you need to stfu theres nothing unfair about dropships, theyre the most underpowered vehicle in the game, they need all the love they can get