I really hope someone reads this and i'm not wasting time lol.
Dust has a serious connection problem,ive been playing online for 20 years and this is the worst ive seen and its not my connection,i can download 25 megs per second.Its inadmissable that a game as big as Dust has connection problems,i play Battlefield 3,for example and i get no lag nor connection problems and that game has got beautifull graphics.
I'm sure ccp is aware of this and i have a suggestion.You guys could contact a company that rents servers just like Dice did for Battlefield 3 and people could rent these servers.I also suggest banning lag switchers,if you dont know how to get them,heres another suggestion,just implement a report system and if they have like 5 reports for lag switch using,you just moniter his activity and warn him of it,if he persists you ban him,kinda like many other games.Thank you for reading this and please consider the servers rental,you can even make some money and every corp could have its own servers,thus ending all lag/connection issues.Its just a suggestion and im sure you've thinked about doing it,but just in case you havent,im writing and if youre wandering if this will kill the game,all i have to say is this...If you dont solve the lag issues,this games dies anyway,i barely play it already and everyone i know complains.Thank you again ccp.

I really hope someone reads this and i'm not wasting time lol.
Dust has a serious connection problem,ive been playing online for 20 years and this is the worst ive seen and its not my connection,i can download 25 megs per second.Its inadmissable that a game as big as Dust has connection problems,i play Battlefield 3,for example and i get no lag nor connection problems and that game has got beautifull graphics.
I'm sure ccp is aware of this and i have a suggestion.You guys could contact a company that rents servers just like Dice did for Battlefield 3 and people could rent these servers.I also suggest banning lag switchers,if you dont know how to get them,heres another suggestion,just implement a report system and if they have like 5 reports for lag switch using,you just moniter his activity and warn him of it,if he persists you ban him,kinda like many other games.Thank you for reading this and please consider the servers rental,you can even make some money and every corp could have its own servers,thus ending all lag/connection issues.Its just a suggestion and im sure you've thinked about doing it,but just in case you havent,im writing and if youre wandering if this will kill the game,all i have to say is this...If you dont solve the lag issues,this games dies anyway,i barely play it already and everyone i know complains.Thank you again ccp.

Sir, you wasted time typing something that many people including myself are not going to read because you didn't use the one special key, Enter.

Oddly I get less lag playing EU servers than playing US servers and I live in the states.

What?

I really hope someone reads this and i'm not wasting time lol.
Dust has a serious connection problem,ive been playing online for 20 years and this is the worst ive seen and its not my connection,i can download 25 megs per second.Its inadmissable that a game as big as Dust has connection problems,i play Battlefield 3,for example and i get no lag nor connection problems and that game has got beautifull graphics.
I'm sure ccp is aware of this and i have a suggestion.You guys could contact a company that rents servers just like Dice did for Battlefield 3 and people could rent these servers.I also suggest banning lag switchers,if you dont know how to get them,heres another suggestion,just implement a report system and if they have like 5 reports for lag switch using,you just moniter his activity and warn him of it,if he persists you ban him,kinda like many other games.Thank you for reading this and please consider the servers rental,you can even make some money and every corp could have its own servers,thus ending all lag/connection issues.Its just a suggestion and im sure you've thinked about doing it,but just in case you havent,im writing and if youre wandering if this will kill the game,all i have to say is this...If you dont solve the lag issues,this games dies anyway,i barely play it already and everyone i know complains.Thank you again ccp.

Its not hard to read,im trying to save space.
Thats not even the point now is it?

[quote=Sky Dovahkiin]Its not hard to read,im trying to save space.
Thats not even the point now is it?

/me backhands the original poster

The whole thing is already wasted space son, paragraphs use em!

Go **** yourself lol

Forget about lag switches,ok?
The point is that game CAN NOT support cross region play.So i suggested a solution.RENT SERVERS.

Oddly I get less lag playing EU servers than playing US servers and I live in the states.

As for server architecture, I am not sure there is not much else you can surpass once you beat wall street servers when it comes to mass access and distribution of data (versus the pure number crunchers) and CCP has surpassed wall street servers.

Maybe if you used paragraphs this wouldn't have derailed as much, learn posting excellence and your point will get across much further.

I can write better than you in five languages boy,dont patronize me lol.
If you were a little more evolved,you wouldnt even have said nothing...

How would this fix it?

DUH lol

Stop talking out your a$$ you troll.

Duh what? Duh is not an answer. If anything it just further shows you did no homework regarding this subject either.

Ok you inbred redneck,ill draw you a picture lol
MORE SERVERS=LESS DATA
LESS DATA=FASTER CONNECTION
FASTER CONNECTION=BETTER LATENCY
BETTER LATENCY=LESS LAG
capice?

Ok you inbred redneck,ill draw you a picture lol
MORE SERVERS=LESS DATA
LESS DATA=FASTER CONNECTION
FASTER CONNECTION=BETTER LATENCY
BETTER LATENCY=LESS LAG
capice?

As for name calling...He started it with the insults not me.
And i know what can cause lag,im saying how to SOLVE IT

Its not untrue,its obvious that if you have more people using the same server,that server has more data to process.

/me backhands the original poster

The whole thing is already wasted space son, paragraphs use em!

You didn't read the article did you?

Oh oh I know what causes lag.

The theory of relativity does along with Thermal Dynamics, and finally all the known/guessed physics of the electron.

I really hope someone reads this and i'm not wasting time lol.
Dust has a serious connection problem,ive been playing online for 20 years and this is the worst ive seen and its not my connection,i can download 25 megs per second.Its inadmissable that a game as big as Dust has connection problems,i play Battlefield 3,for example and i get no lag nor connection problems and that game has got beautifull graphics.
I'm sure ccp is aware of this and i have a suggestion.You guys could contact a company that rents servers just like Dice did for Battlefield 3 and people could rent these servers.I also suggest banning lag switchers,if you dont know how to get them,heres another suggestion,just implement a report system and if they have like 5 reports for lag switch using,you just moniter his activity and warn him of it,if he persists you ban him,kinda like many other games.Thank you for reading this and please consider the servers rental,you can even make some money and every corp could have its own servers,thus ending all lag/connection issues.Its just a suggestion and im sure you've thinked about doing it,but just in case you havent,im writing and if youre wandering if this will kill the game,all i have to say is this...If you dont solve the lag issues,this games dies anyway,i barely play it already and everyone i know complains.Thank you again ccp.

You threatened to slap me boy,you called me son and you disrespected me by saying i cant type.
Plus,i can exlain to you the theory of relativity if you want son...
I know how servers work and computers and cpu processors,so stop trying to make others look bad.
Youre an admin in this site and you dont have the education to be one.
Your ego is writing checks that youre pea brain cant cash and in this battle of wits youre a light weight and completly unarmed son.

You threatened to slap me boy,you called me son and you disrespected me by saying i cant type.
Plus,i can exlain to you the theory of relativity if you want son...
I know how servers work and computers and cpu processors,so stop trying to make others look bad.
Youre an admin in this site and you dont have the education to be one.
Your ego is writing checks that youre pea brain cant cash and in this battle of wits youre a light weight and completly unarmed son.

1. He's not an admin
2. You do type bad

No. No you can't the simple fact you don't understand why a rented server would fix lag is proof you don't understand (because quoting it is not the same as understanding) the theory of relativity.

Also an Unarmed Redneck is oxymoronic.

My typing is not the issue,im portuguese.

Let me put it to you differently.
If you play in a less crowded server that is near you(rented server) the lag is less,dont you aggree?

Disagree, more efficient servers are the way to go because each server is cost prohibitive to run because of the floor space, cooling, environment, technical support, hardware support, cost of cycles, cost of upgrades, degradation of bandwidth, cluttering of the cluster, counter to disaster recovery, backup nightmares, backup requirements, sigma six+ redundancy efforts, security, firewalls, employee and customer accessibility, environmental maintenance, software maintenance, and hardware maintenance, additional ISP contracting, Domain services... the list goes on and on as to why adding more machines can be considered a bad move at times.

I totally agree that better servers would be better but there are many server rental companies in every country and that would solve everything,CCP would just have to pay those companies to use their servers and the technical support would be done by those third party companies,just like DICE did with BF3 and we all know that works.

You still don't get it.

Battlefield has over 100k different games each a fragment away from each other with no relation whatsoever.

Dust 514 EVERY FIGHT is non-instanced. Its physically occurring somewhere in New Eden at a certain specific location every time. I can fly to a planet in Eve look at it and can tell if there is a fight actively going on the ground or not.

3. Lag switches? How can you tell anyone is using those what with your poor connection and all? Do they even work in this game?

They don't, because this game uses server-side hit detection.

Wow, this thread is epic. Couldn't read the OP, wall of text, but that has been covered.

But IWS is indeed right, even if he is being an ass about it, but I think that has more to do with your attitude to someone disagreeing with you.

Oh, and one more thing, is this your first time visiting an online forum? Every forum I have ever been too ostracizes people who use walls of texts. I have a hard time believing that you did not already know this.

Yes,i know,and i think its badly done at the moment.What you got now is 5 servers(if im not mistaken) that send all information to one main server and back again.If you had the rental servers you would have lots of servers sending the data to the main server.
Maybe youre right and it wouldnt work and maybe im totally wrong.
Im just trying to help,but the fact that its connected to eve might make it the same thing or even worse with the rental system.

[quote=Sky Dovahkiin]I really hope someone reads this and i'm not wasting time lol.
Dust has a serious connection problem,ive been playing online for 20 years and this is the worst ive seen and its not my connection,i can download 25 megs per second.Its inadmissable that a game as big as Dust has connection problems,i play Battlefield 3,for example and i get no lag nor connection problems and that game has got beautifull graphics.
I'm sure ccp is aware of this and i have a suggestion.You guys could contact a company that rents servers just like Dice did for Battlefield 3 and people could rent these servers.I also suggest banning lag switchers,if you dont know how to get them,heres another suggestion,just implement a report system and if they have like 5 reports for lag switch using,you just moniter his activity and warn him of it,if he persists you ban him,kinda like many other games.Thank you for reading this and please consider the servers rental,you can even make some money and every corp could have its own servers,thus ending all lag/connection issues.Its just a suggestion and im sure you've thinked about doing it,but just in case you havent,im writing and if youre wandering if this will kill the game,all i have to say is this...If you dont solve the lag issues,this games dies anyway,i barely play it already and everyone i know complains.Thank you again ccp.

For some reason I did work my way through the OP... more or less at least. Anyway:

1. Your download speed is of no importance in this context. What matters is latency and it's quite possible to get good throughput even if you have high latency -- gaming will suck though. Further, your ISP may have poor transit to the dust servers even though you get a great connection somewhere else.

2. IIRC CCP already rent both battleservers and VOIP servers from Hypernia.

3. Lag switches? How can you tell anyone is using those what with your poor connection and all? Do they even work in this game?

You are indeed mistaken, there is no limit to the number of physical servers used to create individual battle instances. You can't run an MMO like Dust 514 on a handful of servers, and CCP wouldn't be foolish enough to attempt that. CCP is no stranger to distributed networking, as EVE requires a much more complicated server architecture which they are handling very well.

It is absolutely critical though that all of these servers are part of the internal CCP network, because otherwise you could not trust the data they send to the master server (e.g. how many SP and ISK each player earned).

Also you cannot outsource server resources in an MMO, not just because of the trust issues, but also because providing reliable server resources is what (some) active players pay for. The situation is much different with Battlefield, where DICE has no ongoing financial model for the multiplayer part, and each server is completely isolated, so does not have to be trusted.

rent servers?
so you can cheat?
NO THX

CCP Rejavik
CCP Shanghia

Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.

1. Lag switches only **** up the user as the game is server sided.

2. Use paragraphs

There is not a single language I can recall that likes the wall of text, even the cuneiform writings break up their stories by columns.

In grammar a paragraph is only used when you change subjects...and my grammar is flawless lol

By rental servers i mean CCP servers that you would pay to maintain...

Wikipedia and Grammarly disagree with you.

I have had similar issues and have found that it isn't my connection at all, but the client itself has memory leaks that cause low-frame rates and desyncs. Resetting my playstation for a fresh game usually fixes it for a while.

No they don't....and stop being a hater and wasting my time.
The way it is typed in here is not meant to look good.

pay to play?
NO THX
dust514 is free2P
you an xbot or a bitter PC fanboi?

All I'm getting from this thread is

"son, son"

and from IWS "SMUGSMUGSMUG"

I agree that it sucks to pay but i wouldnt mind paying if it solved all the problems,most people already pay for blueprints.
And stop being a hater and trying to judge people.
Im not a nerd,i havent touched a pc in 10 years lol

Well if you really insist, the The University of North Carolina also disagrees with you, thus proving my point that paragraphs are not only used to switch subjects, nor that your grammar is flawless.

But harvesting the tears of an arrogant troll is fun!

What tears kid?
And what arrogance,you dumb ****?
Get a life you baby **** LOL

Proving my point exactly that you are a troll, was fun while it lasted.

Ok...
Now let the grown ups talk,youre obviously bullied at school and think youre smart because you got a laptop and your mommy pays for your clothes lol

Your idea of grown ups talking seems to be arrogantly claiming that rental servers are the best possible solution for latency issues, despite several people showing to you that it is a false impression, and going as far as ignoring evidence shoved right at your face. And then when someone gets a little on your head you start insulting them, reaaaaallly grown up, obvious troll is obvious.

I'll leave you to yourself now, have fun.

/me backhands the original poster

The whole thing is already wasted space son, paragraphs use em!

Thinking man's shooter.....lol

I agree and i know its an mmo but thats not the issue,the only reason why rented servers wouldnt work is the human factor,and by that i mean the data could be compromised.
If CCP had servers in every country and you could rent them,the game would have less lag, dont you agree?

You can have servers in each country and still play with people from the other side of the world,but it shares the load and reduces the lag...
The reason you find it bearable is because you're american. The world is not just america!
Many years from now when youre playing with no lag thanks to this system i'm describing,you'll all feel very dumb..lol
I give up...lol
You're all right and i'm wrong...

You can have servers in each country and still play with people from the other side of the world,but it shares the load and reduces the lag...
The reason you find it bearable is because you're american. The world is not just america!
Many years from now when youre playing with no lag thanks to this system i'm describing,you'll all feel very dumb..lol
I give up...lol
You're all right and i'm wrong...

Sorry, that's not possible. All realtime interaction during a battle has to happen in the same process. Even if you'd find a way to share the load between servers on different physical locations, the data would still have to travel between the locations and you'd gain nothing other than to increase latency for everybody.

Also I'm not American, I'm living much closer to you than you might think. This is not a threat.

I'll try to address your various points individually, because you are kind of jumping around between different issues.

1) Technology will improve, but we cannot solve the fundamental problem that it takes time for data to travel around the world. This will be solved through faster connectivity, better servers are irrelevant for this problem.

2) If you experience lag against corps from other regions then this is either because you are playing in their region (a problem that more servers cannot solve) or what you experience is actually them lagging because they are playing in your region (again, not a problem multiple servers can solve).

3) It's not about the time it takes for processors to calculate. As long as servers are fast enough to handle requests at a respectable tick rate, adding additional server resources won't do anything to improve lag.

4) Whether you have fibre optics or not makes no difference, because this only affects the speed of data between your computer and your nearest host. When data has to travel across the globe, it will have to travel through many hosts and it will still be delayed significantly. Your personal connection has no affect on that at all. Again, right now it is physically impossible to play a realtime game with people across the globe, without some significant latency. Only improving the state of internet connectivity around the world is going to make a difference with this. Aside from that, the only thing games can do is to hide the effects of lag as much as possible or only put you up against local players.

If CCP servers could not handle the bandwidth or processing requirements for the game, then this would indeed be a problem that can be fixed by throwing more physical hardware at it. But there is no indication that this is actually the case.

Youre saying stuff i said earlier and the way a server is set and the way a game is programmed does affect lattency...

This went from me laughing at IWS trolling to me not wanting to live on this earth anymore.

I'll try to address your various points individually, because you are kind of jumping around between different issues.

1) Technology will improve, but we cannot solve the fundamental problem that it takes time for data to travel around the world. This will be solved through faster connectivity, better servers are irrelevant for this problem.

2) If you experience lag against corps from other regions then this is either because you are playing in their region (a problem that more servers cannot solve) or what you experience is actually them lagging because they are playing in your region (again, not a problem multiple servers can solve).

3) It's not about the time it takes for processors to calculate. As long as servers are fast enough to handle requests at a respectable tick rate, adding additional server resources won't do anything to improve lag.

4) Whether you have fibre optics or not makes no difference, because this only affects the speed of data between your computer and your nearest host. When data has to travel across the globe, it will have to travel through many hosts and it will still be delayed significantly. Your personal connection has no affect on that at all. Again, right now it is physically impossible to play a realtime game with people across the globe, without some significant latency. Only improving the state of internet connectivity around the world is going to make a difference with this. Aside from that, the only thing games can do is to hide the effects of lag as much as possible or only put you up against local players.

If CCP servers could not handle the bandwidth or processing requirements for the game, then this would indeed be a problem that can be fixed by throwing more physical hardware at it. But there is no indication that this is actually the case.

this is a strangely coherent dust u player. well done.

I'm sorry to disappoint Sky, we just can't all be as smart as you are. *

You still don't get it.

Battlefield has over 100k different games each a fragment away from each other with no relation whatsoever.

Dust 514 EVERY FIGHT is non-instanced. Its physically occurring somewhere in New Eden at a certain specific location every time. I can fly to a planet in Eve look at it and can tell if there is a fight actively going on the ground or not.

Then can I clarify that you're basically admitting that the programming is shoddy Iron Wolf? You're admitting that that's where the problem lies and that it's not necessarily the data transfer that's the problem, it's the size of the packets of data being transferred that are too large, too complicated and not sufficiently streamlined, ergo the programming is shoddy? Is that what you're saying? That's interesting.

Oh and by the way, nothing is physically occurring anywhere, it's virtually occurring somewhere...It would be crazy if it were physically occurring somewhere... a Matrix level of crazy!!! hehe