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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7442
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Posted - 2013.08.18 22:48:00 -
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Sky Dovahkiin wrote:As for name calling...He started it with the insults not me. And i know what can cause lag,im saying how to SOLVE IT
I didn't start with any name calling at all, I insulted your lack of paragraphs using quotes from the infamous movie Pop culture though retooled for this scenario.
Also Solving problems requires understanding the problem. You clearly don't understand the problem. So back again what would sever rental do to fix the lag? |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
562
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Posted - 2013.08.18 22:50:00 -
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Sky Dovahkiin wrote:Its not untrue,its obvious that if you have more people using the same server,that server has more data to process.
You didn't read the article did you? |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7443
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Posted - 2013.08.18 22:52:00 -
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Oh oh I know what causes lag.
The theory of relativity does along with Thermal Dynamics, and finally all the known/guessed physics of the electron. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
935
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Posted - 2013.08.18 22:58:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sky Dovahkiin wrote:Its not hard to read,im trying to save space. Thats not even the point now is it?
/me backhands the original poster The whole thing is already wasted space son, paragraphs use em!
Just like a couple seats on the CSM?
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Sky Dovahkiin
WAR LIONS
0
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Posted - 2013.08.18 22:58:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:Sky Dovahkiin wrote:Its not untrue,its obvious that if you have more people using the same server,that server has more data to process. You didn't read the article did you?
No,i didnt,i dont need to... |
Sky Dovahkiin
WAR LIONS
0
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:05:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Oh oh I know what causes lag.
The theory of relativity does along with Thermal Dynamics, and finally all the known/guessed physics of the electron.
You threatened to slap me boy,you called me son and you disrespected me by saying i cant type. Plus,i can exlain to you the theory of relativity if you want son... I know how servers work and computers and cpu processors,so stop trying to make others look bad. Youre an admin in this site and you dont have the education to be one. Your ego is writing checks that youre pea brain cant cash and in this battle of wits youre a light weight and completly unarmed son. |
low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
307
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:07:00 -
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Sky Dovahkiin wrote:I really hope someone reads this and i'm not wasting time lol. Dust has a serious connection problem,ive been playing online for 20 years and this is the worst ive seen and its not my connection,i can download 25 megs per second.Its inadmissable that a game as big as Dust has connection problems,i play Battlefield 3,for example and i get no lag nor connection problems and that game has got beautifull graphics. I'm sure ccp is aware of this and i have a suggestion.You guys could contact a company that rents servers just like Dice did for Battlefield 3 and people could rent these servers.I also suggest banning lag switchers,if you dont know how to get them,heres another suggestion,just implement a report system and if they have like 5 reports for lag switch using,you just moniter his activity and warn him of it,if he persists you ban him,kinda like many other games.Thank you for reading this and please consider the servers rental,you can even make some money and every corp could have its own servers,thus ending all lag/connection issues.Its just a suggestion and im sure you've thinked about doing it,but just in case you havent,im writing and if youre wandering if this will kill the game,all i have to say is this...If you dont solve the lag issues,this games dies anyway,i barely play it already and everyone i know complains.Thank you again ccp.
you've been 20 years into online gaming and you still don't understand how a lag switch works... |
Kane Banned
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:09:00 -
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Sky Dovahkiin wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Oh oh I know what causes lag.
The theory of relativity does along with Thermal Dynamics, and finally all the known/guessed physics of the electron. You threatened to slap me boy,you called me son and you disrespected me by saying i cant type. Plus,i can exlain to you the theory of relativity if you want son... I know how servers work and computers and cpu processors,so stop trying to make others look bad. Youre an admin in this site and you dont have the education to be one. Your ego is writing checks that youre pea brain cant cash and in this battle of wits youre a light weight and completly unarmed son. 1. He's not an admin 2. You do type bad |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7447
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:11:00 -
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Sky Dovahkiin wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Oh oh I know what causes lag.
The theory of relativity does along with Thermal Dynamics, and finally all the known/guessed physics of the electron. You threatened to slap me boy,you called me son and you disrespected me by saying i cant type. Plus,i can exlain to you the theory of relativity if you want son... I know how servers work and computers and cpu processors,so stop trying to make others look bad. Youre an admin in this site and you dont have the education to be one. Your ego is writing checks that youre pea brain cant cash and in this battle of wits youre a light weight and completly unarmed son.
No. No you can't the simple fact you don't understand why a rented server would fix lag is proof you don't understand (because quoting it is not the same as understanding) the theory of relativity.
Also an Unarmed Redneck is oxymoronic. |
Sky Dovahkiin
WAR LIONS
0
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:11:00 -
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Kane Banned wrote:Sky Dovahkiin wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Oh oh I know what causes lag.
The theory of relativity does along with Thermal Dynamics, and finally all the known/guessed physics of the electron. You threatened to slap me boy,you called me son and you disrespected me by saying i cant type. Plus,i can exlain to you the theory of relativity if you want son... I know how servers work and computers and cpu processors,so stop trying to make others look bad. Youre an admin in this site and you dont have the education to be one. Your ego is writing checks that youre pea brain cant cash and in this battle of wits youre a light weight and completly unarmed son. 1. He's not an admin 2. You do type bad
My typing is not the issue,im portuguese. |
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Sky Dovahkiin
WAR LIONS
1
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:16:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sky Dovahkiin wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Oh oh I know what causes lag.
The theory of relativity does along with Thermal Dynamics, and finally all the known/guessed physics of the electron. You threatened to slap me boy,you called me son and you disrespected me by saying i cant type. Plus,i can exlain to you the theory of relativity if you want son... I know how servers work and computers and cpu processors,so stop trying to make others look bad. Youre an admin in this site and you dont have the education to be one. Your ego is writing checks that youre pea brain cant cash and in this battle of wits youre a light weight and completly unarmed son. No. No you can't the simple fact you don't understand why a rented server would fix lag is proof you don't understand (because quoting it is not the same as understanding) the theory of relativity. Also an Unarmed Redneck is oxymoronic.
Let me put it to you differently. If you play in a less crowded server that is near you(rented server) the lag is less,dont you aggree? |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
188
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:17:00 -
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In respect to sky, the forums are not official, this is not a formal business proposition, application for promotion or a place of work. Does it really matter on a game forum how anyone presents their post?
Iron wolf that was either the result of a bad day or just epic trolling I believe lol |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
188
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:18:00 -
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Fyi, I iz totalee ejookayted lol |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7447
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:18:00 -
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Sky Dovahkiin wrote:Kane Banned wrote:Sky Dovahkiin wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Oh oh I know what causes lag.
The theory of relativity does along with Thermal Dynamics, and finally all the known/guessed physics of the electron. You threatened to slap me boy,you called me son and you disrespected me by saying i cant type. Plus,i can exlain to you the theory of relativity if you want son... I know how servers work and computers and cpu processors,so stop trying to make others look bad. Youre an admin in this site and you dont have the education to be one. Your ego is writing checks that youre pea brain cant cash and in this battle of wits youre a light weight and completly unarmed son. 1. He's not an admin 2. You do type bad My typing is not the issue,im portuguese.
There is not a single language I can recall that likes the wall of text, even the cuneiform writings break up their stories by columns.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7447
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:23:00 -
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Sky Dovahkiin wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sky Dovahkiin wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Oh oh I know what causes lag.
The theory of relativity does along with Thermal Dynamics, and finally all the known/guessed physics of the electron. You threatened to slap me boy,you called me son and you disrespected me by saying i cant type. Plus,i can exlain to you the theory of relativity if you want son... I know how servers work and computers and cpu processors,so stop trying to make others look bad. Youre an admin in this site and you dont have the education to be one. Your ego is writing checks that youre pea brain cant cash and in this battle of wits youre a light weight and completly unarmed son. No. No you can't the simple fact you don't understand why a rented server would fix lag is proof you don't understand (because quoting it is not the same as understanding) the theory of relativity. Also an Unarmed Redneck is oxymoronic. Let me put it to you differently. If you play in a less crowded server that is near you(rented server) the lag is less,dont you aggree?
Disagree, more efficient servers are the way to go because each server is cost prohibitive to run because of the floor space, cooling, environment, technical support, hardware support, cost of cycles, cost of upgrades, degradation of bandwidth, cluttering of the cluster, counter to disaster recovery, backup nightmares, backup requirements, sigma six+ redundancy efforts, security, firewalls, employee and customer accessibility, environmental maintenance, software maintenance, and hardware maintenance, additional ISP contracting, Domain services... the list goes on and on as to why adding more machines can be considered a bad move at times. |
Phantom Vaxer
The Generals EoN.
78
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:27:00 -
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*Facepalm* Ugh...you do realize allowing players to rent servers wouldn't solve anything right? You would just be using their present servers :p while setting up your own playlist |
Csikszent Mihalyi
DUST University Ivy League
50
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:32:00 -
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You are mistaken about a few minor things:
1) There is no point in "saving space" when it comes to text, please do use paragraphs.
2) The CCP servers are fine. It's a cloud based setup where individual battles are instantiated on dedicated nodes. We are of course _not_ all playing on the same servers.
3) Rented servers will not improve cross region gameplay, because they will still be bound to regions. CCP server farms are located in four different areas of the world, if you can't get a good connection to either of them, you are living somewhere so obscure that it would be hard to find anybody to play with on a local server anyway.
Rented servers are not going to happen, it's just completely incompatible with how the game is structured, and it would not provide any significant benefit. |
Sky Dovahkiin
WAR LIONS
1
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:33:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sky Dovahkiin wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sky Dovahkiin wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Oh oh I know what causes lag.
The theory of relativity does along with Thermal Dynamics, and finally all the known/guessed physics of the electron. You threatened to slap me boy,you called me son and you disrespected me by saying i cant type. Plus,i can exlain to you the theory of relativity if you want son... I know how servers work and computers and cpu processors,so stop trying to make others look bad. Youre an admin in this site and you dont have the education to be one. Your ego is writing checks that youre pea brain cant cash and in this battle of wits youre a light weight and completly unarmed son. No. No you can't the simple fact you don't understand why a rented server would fix lag is proof you don't understand (because quoting it is not the same as understanding) the theory of relativity. Also an Unarmed Redneck is oxymoronic. Let me put it to you differently. If you play in a less crowded server that is near you(rented server) the lag is less,dont you aggree? Disagree, more efficient servers are the way to go because each server is cost prohibitive to run because of the floor space, cooling, environment, technical support, hardware support, cost of cycles, cost of upgrades, degradation of bandwidth, cluttering of the cluster, counter to disaster recovery, backup nightmares, backup requirements, sigma six+ redundancy efforts, security, firewalls, employee and customer accessibility, environmental maintenance, software maintenance, and hardware maintenance, additional ISP contracting, Domain services... the list goes on and on as to why adding more machines can be considered a bad move at times.
I totally agree that better servers would be better but there are many server rental companies in every country and that would solve everything,CCP would just have to pay those companies to use their servers and the technical support would be done by those third party companies,just like DICE did with BF3 and we all know that works.
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Dante Kretschmer
D3LTA ACADEMY Inver Brass
76
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:35:00 -
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Chill out guys.
Wall of texts have no place anywhere. Being polite to anyone has always been
Btw, servers renting servers does not solve the problem. IWS is right
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7448
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:36:00 -
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Sky Dovahkiin wrote: I totally agree that better servers would be better but there are many server rental companies in every country and that would solve everything,CCP would just have to pay those companies to use their servers and the technical support would be done by those third party companies,just like DICE did with BF3 and we all know that works.
You still don't get it.
Battlefield has over 100k different games each a fragment away from each other with no relation whatsoever.
Dust 514 EVERY FIGHT is non-instanced. Its physically occurring somewhere in New Eden at a certain specific location every time. I can fly to a planet in Eve look at it and can tell if there is a fight actively going on the ground or not. |
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Sky Dovahkiin
WAR LIONS
1
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:49:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sky Dovahkiin wrote: I totally agree that better servers would be better but there are many server rental companies in every country and that would solve everything,CCP would just have to pay those companies to use their servers and the technical support would be done by those third party companies,just like DICE did with BF3 and we all know that works.
You still don't get it. Battlefield has over 100k different games each a fragment away from each other with no relation whatsoever. Dust 514 EVERY FIGHT is non-instanced. Its physically occurring somewhere in New Eden at a certain specific location every time. I can fly to a planet in Eve look at it and can tell if there is a fight actively going on the ground or not.
Yes,i know,and i think its badly done at the moment.What you got now is 5 servers(if im not mistaken) that send all information to one main server and back again.If you had the rental servers you would have lots of servers sending the data to the main server. Maybe youre right and it wouldnt work and maybe im totally wrong. Im just trying to help,but the fact that its connected to eve might make it the same thing or even worse with the rental system. |
Casius Hakoke
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
265
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:52:00 -
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Wow, this thread is epic. Couldn't read the OP, wall of text, but that has been covered.
But IWS is indeed right, even if he is being an ass about it, but I think that has more to do with your attitude to someone disagreeing with you.
Oh, and one more thing, is this your first time visiting an online forum? Every forum I have ever been too ostracizes people who use walls of texts. I have a hard time believing that you did not already know this. |
Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
3162
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:52:00 -
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Marc Rime wrote: 3. Lag switches? How can you tell anyone is using those what with your poor connection and all? Do they even work in this game?
They don't, because this game uses server-side hit detection. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7450
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:54:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Marc Rime wrote: 3. Lag switches? How can you tell anyone is using those what with your poor connection and all? Do they even work in this game?
They don't, because this game uses server-side hit detection.
Server side everything just about. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
935
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:58:00 -
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try getting an attitude with IWS at 4 in the morning on a thursday
/wishes for a special chair, then burns said special chair... mmm warm fire |
Sky Dovahkiin
WAR LIONS
1
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Posted - 2013.08.19 00:05:00 -
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Casius Hakoke wrote:Wow, this thread is epic. Couldn't read the OP, wall of text, but that has been covered.
But IWS is indeed right, even if he is being an ass about it, but I think that has more to do with your attitude to someone disagreeing with you.
Oh, and one more thing, is this your first time visiting an online forum? Every forum I have ever been too ostracizes people who use walls of texts. I have a hard time believing that you did not already know this.
I havent touched a pc in over 10 years,so my bad. Still,he shouldnt have treated me like that. |
Sky Dovahkiin
WAR LIONS
1
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Posted - 2013.08.19 00:19:00 -
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Im sorry for being disrespectfull ... Like i said before,im just trying to help CCP improve the gaming experience. |
Csikszent Mihalyi
DUST University Ivy League
50
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Posted - 2013.08.19 03:15:00 -
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Sky Dovahkiin wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sky Dovahkiin wrote: I totally agree that better servers would be better but there are many server rental companies in every country and that would solve everything,CCP would just have to pay those companies to use their servers and the technical support would be done by those third party companies,just like DICE did with BF3 and we all know that works.
You still don't get it. Battlefield has over 100k different games each a fragment away from each other with no relation whatsoever. Dust 514 EVERY FIGHT is non-instanced. Its physically occurring somewhere in New Eden at a certain specific location every time. I can fly to a planet in Eve look at it and can tell if there is a fight actively going on the ground or not. Yes,i know,and i think its badly done at the moment.What you got now is 5 servers(if im not mistaken) that send all information to one main server and back again.If you had the rental servers you would have lots of servers sending the data to the main server. Maybe youre right and it wouldnt work and maybe im totally wrong. Im just trying to help,but the fact that its connected to eve might make it the same thing or even worse with the rental system.
You are indeed mistaken, there is no limit to the number of physical servers used to create individual battle instances. You can't run an MMO like Dust 514 on a handful of servers, and CCP wouldn't be foolish enough to attempt that. CCP is no stranger to distributed networking, as EVE requires a much more complicated server architecture which they are handling very well.
It is absolutely critical though that all of these servers are part of the internal CCP network, because otherwise you could not trust the data they send to the master server (e.g. how many SP and ISK each player earned).
Also you cannot outsource server resources in an MMO, not just because of the trust issues, but also because providing reliable server resources is what (some) active players pay for. The situation is much different with Battlefield, where DICE has no ongoing financial model for the multiplayer part, and each server is completely isolated, so does not have to be trusted. |
Michael Arck
sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
553
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Posted - 2013.08.19 03:17:00 -
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Funny reading this and watching it go into a paragraph war. |
CuuCH Crusher
Commando Perkone Caldari State
205
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Posted - 2013.08.19 03:38:00 -
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I am firmly against rent a server programs. I can deal with lag. I can't deal with being kicked by some random scrub admin. That is one of the main reasons I play this game instead of battlefield. |
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