This is why your freedom is a lie. You are all already slaves, you just don't know who's holding your chains.

We are all slaves

The Amarrians to their False Ideals
The Caldari to their shortsightedness.
The Minmatar...well some of them are actually slaves, can't think of anything for Minmatar.

We are all slaves

The Amarrians to their False Ideals
The Caldari to their shortsightedness.
The Minmatar...well some of them are actually slaves, can't think of anything for Minmatar.

To anger.

But that's not the point, who are you to say our ideals are false.

They are slaves to their traditions. Even among the Federation I'm certain there are those immigrants who practice this voluval ceremony I have heard talk of.

We are all slaves

The Amarrians to their False Ideals
The Caldari to their shortsightedness.
The Minmatar (To anger, thanks True)

What about you Gallateans?

Do you have no faults?
Do you imply that your nation is perfect?
Do you imply that you are flawless?

It seems like the majority of you believe it to be so.

It seems like you see the Federation's faults but, how will you convince your fellow citizens of them?

This is the result of democracy.

(coughs) Soooo...How about that crazy Mind Clash match last night?

We are all slaves

The Amarrians to their False Ideals
The Caldari to their shortsightedness.
The Minmatar (To anger, thanks True)

Argh, I missed it, I was too faded last night to even bother with it.

Dude did I not just ******* say what our fault was in the first post.


If you can't read get the **** out of here, this post is for literate people only.

Becausing living in peaceful unity is a false ideal?

And of course the Federation government exists to serve itself. The entire Gallente culture is built around self liberty and making decisions for yourself, living and dying on the success of your self. It's very selfish by design, so why would you expect your government to serve anyone other than themselves?

((I was talking about that list specifically; it was redundant. I was trying to use it to emphasize what I was saying... I must have failed horribly. Question is: How will you convince other Gallanteans about this? sorry about that.))

Your comment honestly made me facepalm as a Gallentean. I'd honestly explain myself but if you can't grasp the idea that people can be united by individuality then I wouldn't be able to get it through your Amarrian way of thinking.

((OOC, here's my proof."It should be noted that this unified purpose does not always imply a loss of individuality, as it does in the Caldari State, whose people speak with a single voice, subtler, darker degree in the Gallente Federation, where the only sound that may be heard is the collective noise of individuality. As can clearly be seen in the voluminous lists of deceased Amarr citizens, lineage plays an important role in the Empire. While as a nation they have been amazingly unified in conquest through history - to the point where they are perfectly willing to overlook the individuality of their conquered people - they place a remarkable importance on individuals in their own ranks, sometimes to the point of sainthood.))

Such a society can clearly exist and thrive as your Federation has proven, but it will never obtain true unity.

Alright, In all due respect, I don't care.
This thread's purpose was to get other Gallente or aligned players in the chat and role-play around and talk about how to change the Federation.

Instead I'm getting nothing but a bunch of Amarrians and I'm kind of disappointed that no other people commented and the post got hijaked.

Um ... respectfully, soldier, it's one of the minor awkwardnesses of the IGS: anything you post that is of political use to anybody will be immediately pounced on by that faction.

If you will permit a remark by a person loyal to the State, I'm curious how you perceive the present state of affairs as unrepresentative of its population. Are you thinking of the Black Eagles, or is there some other corruptive force you see at play?

Um ... respectfully, soldier, it's one of the minor awkwardnesses of the IGS: anything you post that is of political use to anybody will be immediately pounced on by that faction.

If you will permit a remark by a person loyal to the State, I'm curious how you perceive the present state of affairs as unrepresentative of its population. Are you thinking of the Black Eagles, or is there some other corruptive force you see at play?

Instead I'm getting nothing but a bunch of Amarrians and I'm kind of disappointed that no other people commented and the post got hijaked.

Ah yes, Complete unity will never be achieved that is a fact however that's not what we are striving for.

((You invited it by attacking the Empire in your previous comment, but I have been doing my best to also comment on the Federation with each reply.))

So without this unity, how are you expecting your government to act with the best interest of their people in mind?

Most Gallenteans here don't seem to think like you do Kirk, most of them still show unquestioning loyalty to the Federation(or have turned into megalomaniacs). I do agree, the government has a problem and it needs to be fixed, but I will not be participating in your efforts. My hands are tied already with the efforts of aiding my homeplanet and help recruit more people to my cause. I wish you good luck on your endeavor though, and I hopw you succeed in it.

Alright, In all due respect, I don't care.
This thread's purpose was to get other Gallente or aligned players in the chat and role-play around and talk about how to change the Federation.

Instead I'm getting nothing but a bunch of Amarrians and I'm kind of disappointed that no other people commented and the post got hijaked.

(coughs) Soooo...How about that crazy Mind Clash match last night?

((Fact of the matter is RP is all about the conflict getting along with people in RP situations is boring, discussing things though is interesting unfortunately all the RPers here are Amarrian))

It was so dope! Oh my goodness, when the one guy did the thing! With the purple stuff!

May I ask what that cause may be une amie?

I'm not sure how to answer that, explain your unity please.

((Fact of the matter is RP is all about the conflict getting along with people in RP situations is boring, discussing things though is interesting unfortunately all the RPers here are Amarrian))

I really don't understand why more races don't role-play.
Like you said, it's nearly all Amarr, then Caldari...then Min and Gal are probably tied for non-existent.

(( I really didn't want to comment again OOC but you are right I wish there were more minnies to banter with, discuss Empire/Republic affairs, and generally co-op on creating some narratives but there aren't all I have to do right now is bash on the Gallente and in all honesty I hate them so bad...))

Yup! And other person was like eff that here's so blue stuff in your brain!

Probably what he's talking about is the relative stability and arguably harmony that typifies the Amarrian Empire-- everybody serving the common cause of building their god's dominion in one way or another. At least, I suspect that's how a templar sees it.

To the rest: if I understand correctly, and please forgive me if I do not, you seem to feel that the undercurrents of xenophobia currently exposing themselves in the Federation are being provoked, that they do not reflect the true spirit of the Federation and the Gallente.

Soldier, respectfully, the Federation has always had this dark streak in it. Similar events brought about the original war between Caldari and Gallente. Similar events provoked the State to invade Caldari Prime once more. Perhaps there is, in all peoples, a broad streak of humanity's old, primal tribalism, the old us-versus-them, protect-what's-mine. If it is shocking when it appears in the Gallente, I would respectfully suggest that this is not because it is alien to your culture, but because you are about the only ones who make any pretense of having let that aspect of your nature go.

We're all a bit clannish, in the end.

That said, it's certainly a predictable enough aspect of human nature to be manipulated, and perhaps that's precisely what is happening here: humans being prodded into acting like the apes we all are. If so, I wish you all possible fortune in locating and stopping the source; it took the State multiple years to work out that our own demagogue was no good for us.

He did get some important reforms in between bouts of embezzlement, er, creative redistribution of corporate funds, mind you.

Winds guide me, Joelyn always amazes me with the Blue Tiger. If I hadn't become a merc, I probably would have taken up Mind Clash or Splinterz.

Kirk, what's the name of your group anyway?

While your words may be treasonous, I admire your courage, soldier. Anyone who has the will to speak out against opression is truely one who has the power to change it.

I still find myself at a loss as to why I fight so valiantly. I long for peace. I would gladly enjoy a drink with a clone I just killed four times. But this, this revolutionary thinking, is what spawns dissent. Is your fight against the other empires? Or is it with your slowly corrupting government? Heed my words, comrade: do not shoulder more than you must, for your back will surely break.

I see many of you are igniting blazing arguements. I have no problem with debate, but you must remember to contain your anger. Meditate if it helps. But above all, keep the war on the battlefield.

ok.... when you talk about oppression, the gallenteans do not oppress, oppression is to keep people from being themselves, being open and being individuals... gallente liberalism does not condone any acts of oppression under the federation territories.. I do agree that the federation has flaws and will not argue that it doesn't (ALL of the empires have their flaws and are wrong about how they enact their ideals), but when your talking about oppression, your wrong about the federation as a whole... if anything the amarrian empire is the biggest state of oppression since it doesn't allow anything other than its own religious views, thus blocking individuality and oppressing free will.

ok.... when you talk about oppression, the gallenteans do not oppress, oppression is to keep people from being themselves, being open and being individuals... gallente liberalism does not condone any acts of oppression under the federation territories.. I do agree that the federation has flaws and will not argue that it doesn't (ALL of the empires have their flaws and are wrong about how they enact their ideals), but when your talking about oppression, your wrong about the federation as a whole... if anything the amarrian empire is the biggest state of oppression since it doesn't allow anything other than its own religious views, thus blocking individuality and oppressing free will.

ok.... when you talk about oppression, the gallenteans do not oppress, oppression is to keep people from being themselves, being open and being individuals... gallente liberalism does not condone any acts of oppression under the federation territories.. I do agree that the federation has flaws and will not argue that it doesn't (ALL of the empires have their flaws and are wrong about how they enact their ideals), but when your talking about oppression, your wrong about the federation as a whole... if anything the amarrian empire is the biggest state of oppression since it doesn't allow anything other than its own religious views, thus blocking individuality and oppressing free will.

Once again has my communication channel been hijack by talks of Amarrian aspects.

I am doing no such thing but again defending my culture.

If your Gallenteans would keep their insensitive comments, ignorant or otherwise, in check we would not have these problems would we?

I know you're just reacting I was speaking to the Gallentean.

This is not the thread for these matters.

We are branded as terrorist by the State....

One question:


By this, do you mean the Federal nation state or the Caldari State? Also, do you think they've ... well, respectfully, really noticed sufficiently to apply that kind of label? Usually, they wait until you're actually done something dramatic before they pull out the "terrorist" label.

Respectfully, soldier, so far you sound more like an arguably-radical dissident than like anything any sane person would be trying to label a "terrorist."

I am doing no such thing but again defending my culture.

If your Gallenteans would keep their insensitive comments, ignorant or otherwise, in check we would not have these problems would we?

actually, it is you amarrians that bring it up 1st, I wouldn't have lashed out if your friend hadn't claimed the federation oppresses its citizens.

But back to your point, tell me how a society built around the principles of bettering one's self over one's neighbors can achieve a state of peaceful unity. Won't you always be looking for the next way to exploit others, as is currently the case within the Federation? Such a society can clearly exist and thrive as your Federation has proven, but it will never obtain true unity.

I read this I am must comment on it.

You misinterpret us. We do not want to better ourselves over our neighbor. We do not wish to exploit others. Our ideals are founded in liberty and personal rights, but you cannot, ever, infringe on another's.

At least, this is the way it is supposed to be. Most Gallenteans believe this, but, there are some who do not. It seems these people are in power. If they are corrupt, then I support whomever blows the whistle.

As much as I love the spirit, culture of the Gallente people, as well as military fighting style, I detest the acts and the hypocrisy of the Federation.

All of the powers are sick and corrupted, any person that tries to tell you anything else is wrong

Don't try to be apologetic for the Federation, don't try to justify the acts of the Federation, we don't need that. What we need is change.

Instead, lets take back our Government, allow the Gallente Spirit to be evident within our governance, change it.

The Federation is heading deeper into the darkness, I was once ordered to kill an innocent mother of three, "For the greater good" they said. No good can come from killing a beloved mother of 3 for telling the truth and opening people's eyes.

I have seen and done many things that I regret, I have no personal god to believe in so the only one to atone for my sins are me.

Nay, I'm not just fighting to atone just for my sins but the Sins of Our Fathers as well. It is our right to ensure the generations of tomorrow a more peaceful and stable future.

This "Federation" serves itself.
This "Federation" has become bloated with arrogance.
This "Federation" has become power hungry.
This "Federation" doesn't belong to the Gallente people

Join me brother and sisters.

Help me,

Take it back.

- Former Black Eagle Agent, Phaneron Manumit Kirk (Sgt Kirk)

actually, it is you amarrians that bring it up 1st, I wouldn't have lashed out if your friend hadn't claimed the federation oppresses its citizens.

I agree with you that all of the empires have problems and terrible secrets, but what you are proposing is rather difficult and expensive. I may of said of course i would you help you in your fight, but you have no power and from what i have seen very little support. Also we are mercs we are barely recognized by capsuleers. Since you are a merc just like not being recognized by capsuleers I doubt that many people with power would help you in your cause . This is quite different though for your enemies. They have the money and support against you. You may be immortal but the empire isn't which means the supporters of the gallente government as it is right now will fight against you. Loyalists are the white blood cells of the body know of a official state people like you are a virus that they will try to kill. Yet just like any body or state it can fail. So you may accomplish your mission, but as it stands your job will always be hard and very unappealing to who ever you try to recruit in your cause.

As much as I love the spirit, culture of the Gallente people, as well as military fighting style, I detest the acts and the hypocrisy of the Federation.

All of the powers are sick and corrupted, any person that tries to tell you anything else is wrong

Don't try to be apologetic for the Federation, don't try to justify the acts of the Federation, we don't need that. What we need is change.

Instead, lets take back our Government, allow the Gallente Spirit to be evident within our governance, change it.

The Federation is heading deeper into the darkness, I was once ordered to kill an innocent mother of three, "For the greater good" they said. No good can come from killing a beloved mother of 3 for telling the truth and opening people's eyes.

I have seen and done many things that I regret, I have no personal god to believe in so the only one to atone for my sins are me.

Nay, I'm not just fighting to atone just for my sins but the Sins of Our Fathers as well. It is our right to ensure the generations of tomorrow a more peaceful and stable future.

This "Federation" serves itself.
This "Federation" has become bloated with arrogance.
This "Federation" has become power hungry.
This "Federation" doesn't belong to the Gallente people

Join me brother and sisters.

Help me,

Take it back.

- Former Black Eagle Agent, Phaneron Manumit Kirk (Sgt Kirk)

Says the EoN member.....

((Corp and Alliance can be ignored here, I serve the Minmatar so proof))

You may, but the merc that brought up the topic does not.
He claims that our Gallante leaders are corrupt while he himself associates himself with a group that has a notoriety for treachery, manipulation, and corruption.
Many of the lawless corporations that make up the alliance of EoN have broken sworn truces without a second thought, promised protection to those who wished to help then only to take them down when they have lowered their defenses. Many of YOUR leaders see your corporations coffers as an extension of their own wallet, while many of your soldiers brag about hiding away in the corridors of our MCCs while they rest of us fight for our lives on the field.
So, the irony of a member of this notoriously corrupt and largely dishonourable alliance protesting corruption in higher ranks... It is not lost on us.

Hahah, I'm going to ignore that because I'm well aware that you're just being a child.

This is a role playing thread regarding The Gallente Federation. Not you throwing a sissy fit and or being a troll.

War Raven guy is hurting, leave him alone :'(

As much as I love the spirit, culture of the Gallente people, as well as military fighting style, I detest the acts and the hypocrisy of the Federation.

All of the powers are sick and corrupted, any person that tries to tell you anything else is wrong

Don't try to be apologetic for the Federation, don't try to justify the acts of the Federation, we don't need that. What we need is change.

Instead, lets take back our Government, allow the Gallente Spirit to be evident within our governance, change it.

The Federation is heading deeper into the darkness, I was once ordered to kill an innocent mother of three, "For the greater good" they said. No good can come from killing a beloved mother of 3 for telling the truth and opening people's eyes.

I have seen and done many things that I regret, I have no personal god to believe in so the only one to atone for my sins are me.

Nay, I'm not just fighting to atone just for my sins but the Sins of Our Fathers as well. It is our right to ensure the generations of tomorrow a more peaceful and stable future.

This "Federation" serves itself.
This "Federation" has become bloated with arrogance.
This "Federation" has become power hungry.
This "Federation" doesn't belong to the Gallente people

Join me brother and sisters.

Help me,

Take it back.

- Former Black Eagle Agent, Phaneron Manumit Kirk (Sgt Kirk)

Initial disagreements aside, the Federation has alienated itself from the very people that keep it going, however this will not continue for much longer.
In the back alleys and dark corners of our markets I hear the whispers of revolution, but a revolution is the last thing we need.
Such a nice and noble sounding concept: "rise up and overthrow the tyrants!".
Nice, that is, until the reality of it sets in, until you have to look down the barrel of your rifle and into the face of your brothers and sisters, just doing their jobs. Would you become the monster you strive to take down?

Strategy is what is needed brothers and sisters.

As with any burgeoning military faction our officers and commanders are slowly gaining reputation within the government. The Federation is coming to realize that we may just be hired guns but it is in their best interest to keep us happy.
We must have patience, as painful as it is to see innocents fall the hand of the corrupt, the losses would be a hundred fold if their was an attempt of direct confrontation.

Revolution? No, revolution is not acceptable.

Even though I do not doubt that there are the corrupt inside our government, they are not as bad as you say they are, Mister Kirk. The fact that you were told to kill a mother of three may or may not be true, depending on your ambitions.

Nay, if you propose to fight a bloody war against these "tyrants", which has no ground or merit due to the fact that our freedoms are still intact, then I must oppose who you are and what you stand for.

If they are corrupt, they will be outed as such, and shall be voted out of office. It has been so for a plethora of years, and should remain so.

As much as I love the spirit, culture of the Gallente people, as well as military fighting style, I detest the acts and the hypocrisy of the Federation.

All of the powers are sick and corrupted, any person that tries to tell you anything else is wrong

Don't try to be apologetic for the Federation, don't try to justify the acts of the Federation, we don't need that. What we need is change.

Instead, lets take back our Government, allow the Gallente Spirit to be evident within our governance, change it.

The Federation is heading deeper into the darkness, I was once ordered to kill an innocent mother of three, "For the greater good" they said. No good can come from killing a beloved mother of 3 for telling the truth and opening people's eyes.

I have seen and done many things that I regret, I have no personal god to believe in so the only one to atone for my sins are me.

Nay, I'm not just fighting to atone just for my sins but the Sins of Our Fathers as well. It is our right to ensure the generations of tomorrow a more peaceful and stable future.

This "Federation" serves itself.
This "Federation" has become bloated with arrogance.
This "Federation" has become power hungry.
This "Federation" doesn't belong to the Gallente people

Join me brother and sisters.

Help me,

Take it back.

- Former Black Eagle Agent, Phaneron Manumit Kirk (Sgt Kirk)

well.. we could always just build up the political power of the people in order to take it back

I look at this collection of ideas, and I have to laugh. Both out of condescension, and out of pity.

A true Gallente would know how outrageous your ideas are, how far off the mark you are.

You claim to be Gallente, but your talk of revolution and anarchy put the lie to your words.

You claim to be serving the Gallente people, but how can that be? You rail against the government, saying it is leading the nation "into darkness," and yet I don't see how that can be so.

Who is it that puts the government into power? The people.

Who is it that views every decision, every law, every act the government can enact? The people.

And what is the Gallente ideal based around? Her people.

You claim the government is leading its people from the light, but how are you better? They chose their leaders, and you want to replace them? "For their own good? For the good of all Gallente?" Sounds like the same reasoning that made you put innocents to death.

What gives you the right, the power, to decide the fate of billions? Who are you to decide you're better fit to lead the Federation than those chosen to do so by Her people?

Listen, "brother", to the hypocrisy of your own words, before you accuse others of being the source of the problem.

The problem lies in the fact that the elections, in their very core are a popularity contest. Senators and the presidents are elected for their popularity by the actions they have done, not actual results they have accomplished that lead for the good of the Gallente in the long run.

Jacus Roden ran the most powerful manufacturing and shiping empire in the Federation before he was elected president.

Mentas Blaque was a career military man before being elected to the Senate, and has served long enough to be named Speaker, as well as performing his duties as leader of the Black Eagles.

Before his resignation, Sauro Foiritan made his political career by overturning useless, redundant, and counter-productive laws enacted by his predecessors, and continued that trend from his service as planetary governor well into his tenure as the President. He was so good at his job, the people supported his decision to give himself another term by reelecting him.

Popularity contest it may be, but people hardly elect celebrities into office because of the cuteness of their dogs, or how much money they have. Ineffective leaders are sent packing, and good, experienced ones are kept in the fold to ensure the continued stable governance of the Federation. I defy you to prove otherwise.

Jacus Roden ran the most powerful manufacturing and shiping empire in the Federation before he was elected president.

Mentas Blaque was a career military man before being elected to the Senate, and has served long enough to be named Speaker, as well as performing his duties as leader of the Black Eagles.

Before his resignation, Sauro Foiritan made his political career by overturning useless, redundant, and counter-productive laws enacted by his predecessors, and continued that trend from his service as planetary governor well into his tenure as the President. He was so good at his job, the people supported his decision to give himself another term by reelecting him.

Popularity contest it may be, but people hardly elect celebrities into office because of the cuteness of their dogs, or how much money they have. Ineffective leaders are sent packing, and good, experienced ones are kept in the fold to ensure the continued stable governance of the Federation. I defy you to prove otherwise.

im pure blood gallente, but I know whats good and whats not good.

((all OOC will be ignored because this thread has already been warned once))

I was assigned to take out The Mother, I was there in the city with my rifle scope zoomed into her window. I decided to go awol after what I saw that evening and what I've done.

I am not the one who imposed a bloody war you pawn. We are there to expose the truth to the people.

The very fact that you jump straight to violent revolution shows me just how single-minded the Gallente people are to anyone that speaks against their government.

We do not fight unless it is necessary and so far we've only resulted in violence in defense against cronies of the Federation.

You are still asleep Citizen, wake up from the dream. The nightmare is reality.

I look at this collection of ideas, and I have to laugh. Both out of condescension, and out of pity.

A true Gallente would know how outrageous your ideas are, how far off the mark you are.

You claim to be Gallente, but your talk of revolution and anarchy put the lie to your words.

You claim to be serving the Gallente people, but how can that be? You rail against the government, saying it is leading the nation "into darkness," and yet I don't see how that can be so.

Who is it that puts the government into power? The people.

Who is it that views every decision, every law, every act the government can enact? The people.

And what is the Gallente ideal based around? Her people.

You claim the government is leading its people from the light, but how are you better? They chose their leaders, and you want to replace them? "For their own good? For the good of all Gallente?" Sounds like the same reasoning that made you put innocents to death.

What gives you the right, the power, to decide the fate of billions? Who are you to decide you're better fit to lead the Federation than those chosen to do so by Her people?

Listen, "brother", to the hypocrisy of your own words, before you accuse others of being the source of the problem.

The post from the Gallentean that is confident in the good-nature of the current Federation is the very reason our objective is hard to achieve.

How do you prove something true when you flash the truth before their eyes and it's still not believe.

Pure Gallentean or not, it doesn't take an intellectual to see that the Federation is not the Federation we hold it to be.

Matobar is a the very definition of what we're going up against.

Do you? The Gallentean precedents of good and evil, right and wrong seem very obscure to me.

The only people I personally have a quarrel with is the Amarran Government, and the people who do inflict torture on their slaves. But the people that are not too fanatic, I do not a problem with. I do not even have a problem with the Caldari, the one we have the bitterest feud with. To say that I am single-minded, comrade, is completely absurd.

But we do not mistreat slave. They are our children.

Sgt Kirk may you please answer my question I assume your answer would be no, but if your alliance did interfere with the conflict between gallente and caldari on the ground. who would you fight for even if it was on the caldari side. ( Question is not occ if your alliance claims loyalty to the caldari that is no different then pie Inc. claiming loyalty to the amarr)

Let those affairs of politics for the pompous and fat senators! For we are mercenaries, fighting and waging war is what we do, it is not our job to meddle into politics and incite rebellion because we do not agree with the Federation's policies.
If saying that you are fighting for an Ideal, fighting to change the world and make it a better place makes you feel better about what you do then you are living a lie my "brother". Because in the end we only fight for one thing, and that is wealth.
The citizens of the Federation can decide their own fate!

Why do you say that. I fight for my Empire and nothing more, any ISK the empire gives me is immediately converted into wartime materiel or converted into functional equipment so that I may better defend the empires borders.

Its is no lie, it is the only truth in New Eden.