This is why your freedom is a lie. You are all already slaves, you just don't know who's holding your chains.

To anger.

But that's not the point, who are you to say our ideals are false.

What about you Gallateans?

Do you have no faults?
Do you imply that your nation is perfect?
Do you imply that you are flawless?

It seems like the majority of you believe it to be so.

It seems like you see the Federation's faults but, how will you convince your fellow citizens of them?

This is the result of democracy.

(coughs) Soooo...How about that crazy Mind Clash match last night?

Becausing living in peaceful unity is a false ideal?

And of course the Federation government exists to serve itself. The entire Gallente culture is built around self liberty and making decisions for yourself, living and dying on the success of your self. It's very selfish by design, so why would you expect your government to serve anyone other than themselves?

((I was talking about that list specifically; it was redundant. I was trying to use it to emphasize what I was saying... I must have failed horribly. Question is: How will you convince other Gallanteans about this? sorry about that.))

((OOC, here's my proof."It should be noted that this unified purpose does not always imply a loss of individuality, as it does in the Caldari State, whose people speak with a single voice, subtler, darker degree in the Gallente Federation, where the only sound that may be heard is the collective noise of individuality. As can clearly be seen in the voluminous lists of deceased Amarr citizens, lineage plays an important role in the Empire. While as a nation they have been amazingly unified in conquest through history - to the point where they are perfectly willing to overlook the individuality of their conquered people - they place a remarkable importance on individuals in their own ranks, sometimes to the point of sainthood.))

Such a society can clearly exist and thrive as your Federation has proven, but it will never obtain true unity.

Um ... respectfully, soldier, it's one of the minor awkwardnesses of the IGS: anything you post that is of political use to anybody will be immediately pounced on by that faction.

If you will permit a remark by a person loyal to the State, I'm curious how you perceive the present state of affairs as unrepresentative of its population. Are you thinking of the Black Eagles, or is there some other corruptive force you see at play?

((You invited it by attacking the Empire in your previous comment, but I have been doing my best to also comment on the Federation with each reply.))

So without this unity, how are you expecting your government to act with the best interest of their people in mind?

Most Gallenteans here don't seem to think like you do Kirk, most of them still show unquestioning loyalty to the Federation(or have turned into megalomaniacs). I do agree, the government has a problem and it needs to be fixed, but I will not be participating in your efforts. My hands are tied already with the efforts of aiding my homeplanet and help recruit more people to my cause. I wish you good luck on your endeavor though, and I hopw you succeed in it.

(( I really didn't want to comment again OOC but you are right I wish there were more minnies to banter with, discuss Empire/Republic affairs, and generally co-op on creating some narratives but there aren't all I have to do right now is bash on the Gallente and in all honesty I hate them so bad...))

Probably what he's talking about is the relative stability and arguably harmony that typifies the Amarrian Empire-- everybody serving the common cause of building their god's dominion in one way or another. At least, I suspect that's how a templar sees it.

To the rest: if I understand correctly, and please forgive me if I do not, you seem to feel that the undercurrents of xenophobia currently exposing themselves in the Federation are being provoked, that they do not reflect the true spirit of the Federation and the Gallente.

Soldier, respectfully, the Federation has always had this dark streak in it. Similar events brought about the original war between Caldari and Gallente. Similar events provoked the State to invade Caldari Prime once more. Perhaps there is, in all peoples, a broad streak of humanity's old, primal tribalism, the old us-versus-them, protect-what's-mine. If it is shocking when it appears in the Gallente, I would respectfully suggest that this is not because it is alien to your culture, but because you are about the only ones who make any pretense of having let that aspect of your nature go.

We're all a bit clannish, in the end.

That said, it's certainly a predictable enough aspect of human nature to be manipulated, and perhaps that's precisely what is happening here: humans being prodded into acting like the apes we all are. If so, I wish you all possible fortune in locating and stopping the source; it took the State multiple years to work out that our own demagogue was no good for us.

He did get some important reforms in between bouts of embezzlement, er, creative redistribution of corporate funds, mind you.

Kirk, what's the name of your group anyway?

ok.... when you talk about oppression, the gallenteans do not oppress, oppression is to keep people from being themselves, being open and being individuals... gallente liberalism does not condone any acts of oppression under the federation territories.. I do agree that the federation has flaws and will not argue that it doesn't (ALL of the empires have their flaws and are wrong about how they enact their ideals), but when your talking about oppression, your wrong about the federation as a whole... if anything the amarrian empire is the biggest state of oppression since it doesn't allow anything other than its own religious views, thus blocking individuality and oppressing free will.

I am doing no such thing but again defending my culture.

If your Gallenteans would keep their insensitive comments, ignorant or otherwise, in check we would not have these problems would we?

One question:


By this, do you mean the Federal nation state or the Caldari State? Also, do you think they've ... well, respectfully, really noticed sufficiently to apply that kind of label? Usually, they wait until you're actually done something dramatic before they pull out the "terrorist" label.

Respectfully, soldier, so far you sound more like an arguably-radical dissident than like anything any sane person would be trying to label a "terrorist."

I read this I am must comment on it.

You misinterpret us. We do not want to better ourselves over our neighbor. We do not wish to exploit others. Our ideals are founded in liberty and personal rights, but you cannot, ever, infringe on another's.

At least, this is the way it is supposed to be. Most Gallenteans believe this, but, there are some who do not. It seems these people are in power. If they are corrupt, then I support whomever blows the whistle.

I agree with you that all of the empires have problems and terrible secrets, but what you are proposing is rather difficult and expensive. I may of said of course i would you help you in your fight, but you have no power and from what i have seen very little support. Also we are mercs we are barely recognized by capsuleers. Since you are a merc just like not being recognized by capsuleers I doubt that many people with power would help you in your cause . This is quite different though for your enemies. They have the money and support against you. You may be immortal but the empire isn't which means the supporters of the gallente government as it is right now will fight against you. Loyalists are the white blood cells of the body know of a official state people like you are a virus that they will try to kill. Yet just like any body or state it can fail. So you may accomplish your mission, but as it stands your job will always be hard and very unappealing to who ever you try to recruit in your cause.

You may, but the merc that brought up the topic does not.
He claims that our Gallante leaders are corrupt while he himself associates himself with a group that has a notoriety for treachery, manipulation, and corruption.
Many of the lawless corporations that make up the alliance of EoN have broken sworn truces without a second thought, promised protection to those who wished to help then only to take them down when they have lowered their defenses. Many of YOUR leaders see your corporations coffers as an extension of their own wallet, while many of your soldiers brag about hiding away in the corridors of our MCCs while they rest of us fight for our lives on the field.
So, the irony of a member of this notoriously corrupt and largely dishonourable alliance protesting corruption in higher ranks... It is not lost on us.

Revolution? No, revolution is not acceptable.

Even though I do not doubt that there are the corrupt inside our government, they are not as bad as you say they are, Mister Kirk. The fact that you were told to kill a mother of three may or may not be true, depending on your ambitions.

Nay, if you propose to fight a bloody war against these "tyrants", which has no ground or merit due to the fact that our freedoms are still intact, then I must oppose who you are and what you stand for.

If they are corrupt, they will be outed as such, and shall be voted out of office. It has been so for a plethora of years, and should remain so.

well.. we could always just build up the political power of the people in order to take it back

Sgt Kirk may you please answer my question I assume your answer would be no, but if your alliance did interfere with the conflict between gallente and caldari on the ground. who would you fight for even if it was on the caldari side. ( Question is not occ if your alliance claims loyalty to the caldari that is no different then pie Inc. claiming loyalty to the amarr)