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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.08.17 00:48:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Disciple Of Kesha wrote:This is why your freedom is a lie. You are all already slaves, you just don't know who's holding your chains. We are all slaves The Amarrians to their False Ideals The Caldari to their shortsightedness. The Minmatar...well some of them are actually slaves, can't think of anything for Minmatar.
To anger.
But that's not the point, who are you to say our ideals are false. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1318
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Posted - 2013.08.17 05:04:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:((OOC, here's my proof." It should be noted that this unified purpose does not always imply a loss of individuality, as it does in the Caldari State, whose people speak with a single voice, subtler, darker degree in the Gallente Federation, where the only sound that may be heard is the collective noise of individuality. As can clearly be seen in the voluminous lists of deceased Amarr citizens, lineage plays an important role in the Empire. While as a nation they have been amazingly unified in conquest through history - to the point where they are perfectly willing to overlook the individuality of their conquered people - they place a remarkable importance on individuals in their own ranks, sometimes to the point of sainthood.)) Alright, In all due respect, I don't care. This thread's purpose was to get other Gallente or aligned players in the chat and role-play around and talk about how to change the Federation. Instead I'm getting nothing but a bunch of Amarrians and I'm kind of disappointed that no other people commented and the post got hijaked.
((Fact of the matter is RP is all about the conflict getting along with people in RP situations is boring, discussing things though is interesting unfortunately all the RPers here are Amarrian)) |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1319
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Posted - 2013.08.17 05:12:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:((Fact of the matter is RP is all about the conflict getting along with people in RP situations is boring, discussing things though is interesting unfortunately all the RPers here are Amarrian))
I really don't understand why more races don't role-play.
Like you said, it's nearly all Amarr, then Caldari...then Min and Gal are probably tied for non-existent.
(( I really didn't want to comment again OOC but you are right I wish there were more minnies to banter with, discuss Empire/Republic affairs, and generally co-op on creating some narratives but there aren't all I have to do right now is bash on the Gallente and in all honesty I hate them so bad...)) |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1324
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Posted - 2013.08.17 13:39:00 -
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Shokhann Echo wrote:Jackson Olosko wrote:While your words may be treasonous, I admire your courage, soldier. Anyone who has the will to speak out against opression is truely one who has the power to change it.
I still find myself at a loss as to why I fight so valiantly. I long for peace. I would gladly enjoy a drink with a clone I just killed four times. But this, this revolutionary thinking, is what spawns dissent. Is your fight against the other empires? Or is it with your slowly corrupting government? Heed my words, comrade: do not shoulder more than you must, for your back will surely break.
I see many of you are igniting blazing arguements. I have no problem with debate, but you must remember to contain your anger. Meditate if it helps. But above all, keep the war on the battlefield. ok.... when you talk about oppression, the gallenteans do not oppress, oppression is to keep people from being themselves, being open and being individuals... gallente liberalism does not condone any acts of oppression under the federation territories.. I do agree that the federation has flaws and will not argue that it doesn't (ALL of the empires have their flaws and are wrong about how they enact their ideals), but when your talking about oppression, your wrong about the federation as a whole... if anything the amarrian empire is the biggest state of oppression since it doesn't allow anything other than its own religious views, thus blocking individuality and oppressing free will.
As my fellow Amarrian Aero has said before I think you also have a warped view of the Amarrian peoples, because they too place a lot of their emphasis on individuality, while its true the empire does not really condone or allow other religious views other than the main stream faith there is a good reason for it. Sani Sabik Cults like the blood raiders are an anathema to both the religious few and those without faith.
In any case its not strictly true that the Gallente don't oppress their people, social oppression, idealistic oppression, moral oppression. Regardless while it may appear to the eye that the Federation is a shining bastion of hope for the weak and the helpless that cannot be further from the truth. Gallentean society allows for and actively perpetuates the weak falling to the bottom of the social ladder, it is a culture that attempts to forget its own people and own form in is drive to progression, entertainment, what have you.
While liberalism does not condone oppression neither does it stop it.
While its true that the Caldari and Amarrian sovereignties are conservative in nature it does not mean that they are simply some tyrannical regime that cares nothing for its people, if anything the Caldari belief that interdependence strengthens the whole is an example of this. They only allow the best and most qualified to lead, those leaders work to ensure the entirety of the collective is protected and functional.
It is the same with the Amarr. We may subscribe to one belief, but that does not mean we are all mindless fanatics or zombies who will do anything we are told, our system of beliefs tells us that our Empress is divine, she is the embodiment of God's will in New Eden, and that it is our duty to unite the stars under one banner. We Amarr are the chosen children of God, we celebrate our differences and praise that which makes us unique and loved in the eyes of God.
However I want to address the last sentence of your comment.
"it doesn't allow anything other than its own religious views, thus blocking individuality and oppressing free will"
This is far from the truth, the Amarr do not follow simply because they are ordered to, or are forced to. We choose to, we believe what we are doing is right, it is our culture, our way, and more importantly something we have come to accept as our racial identity. There is as much free will in the empire as their is anywhere else in New Eden, however our lives are lived in a more strict and disciplined way that the Gallente. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1324
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Posted - 2013.08.17 13:48:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Once again has my communication channel been hijack by talks of Amarrian aspects.
I am doing no such thing but again defending my culture.
If your Gallenteans would keep their insensitive comments, ignorant or otherwise, in check we would not have these problems would we? |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1325
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Posted - 2013.08.17 22:54:00 -
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Shokhann Echo wrote:True Adamance wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Once again has my communication channel been hijack by talks of Amarrian aspects. I am doing no such thing but again defending my culture. If your Gallenteans would keep their insensitive comments, ignorant or otherwise, in check we would not have these problems would we? actually, it is you amarrians that bring it up 1st, I wouldn't have lashed out if your friend hadn't claimed the federation oppresses its citizens.
In more ways than one is he right. However I see you point, and make apologies. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1369
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Posted - 2013.08.19 22:46:00 -
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Auld Syne wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Flux Raeder wrote:XANDER KAG wrote:Flux Raeder wrote:
Says the EoN member.....
((Corp and Alliance can be ignored here, I serve the Minmatar so proof)) You may, but the merc that brought up the topic does not. He claims that our Gallante leaders are corrupt while he himself associates himself with a group that has a notoriety for treachery, manipulation, and corruption. Many of the lawless corporations that make up the alliance of EoN have broken sworn truces without a second thought, promised protection to those who wished to help then only to take them down when they have lowered their defenses. Many of YOUR leaders see your corporations coffers as an extension of their own wallet, while many of your soldiers brag about hiding away in the corridors of our MCCs while they rest of us fight for our lives on the field. So, the irony of a member of this notoriously corrupt and largely dishonourable alliance protesting corruption in higher ranks... It is not lost on us. Hahah, I'm going to ignore that because I'm well aware that you're just being a child. This is a role playing thread regarding The Gallente Federation. Not you throwing a sissy fit and or being a troll. War Raven guy is hurting, leave him alone :'(
((Yeah its kind of sad to see someone from the warravens having to use an RP thread to attack EoN.... we leave out coporations here unless the directly affect our lore, and we do not use use corporations and such things willingly to attack one another. This is a rather civilised place, keep your general discussions/warroom talk out of here.)) |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1372
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Posted - 2013.08.20 00:38:00 -
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Flux Raeder wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:As much as I love the spirit, culture of the Gallente people, as well as military fighting style, I detest the acts and the hypocrisy of the Federation.
All of the powers are sick and corrupted, any person that tries to tell you anything else is wrong
Don't try to be apologetic for the Federation, don't try to justify the acts of the Federation, we don't need that. What we need is change.
Instead, lets take back our Government, allow the Gallente Spirit to be evident within our governance, change it.
The Federation is heading deeper into the darkness, I was once ordered to kill an innocent mother of three, "For the greater good" they said. No good can come from killing a beloved mother of 3 for telling the truth and opening people's eyes.
I have seen and done many things that I regret, I have no personal god to believe in so the only one to atone for my sins are me.
Nay, I'm not just fighting to atone just for my sins but the Sins of Our Fathers as well. It is our right to ensure the generations of tomorrow a more peaceful and stable future.
This "Federation" serves itself.
This "Federation" has become bloated with arrogance.
This "Federation" has become power hungry.
This "Federation" doesn't belong to the Gallente people
Join me brother and sisters.
Help me,
Take it back.
- Former Black Eagle Agent, Phaneron Manumit Kirk (Sgt Kirk) Initial disagreements aside, the Federation has alienated itself from the very people that keep it going, however this will not continue for much longer. In the back alleys and dark corners of our markets I hear the whispers of revolution, but a revolution is the last thing we need. Such a nice and noble sounding concept: "rise up and overthrow the tyrants!". Nice, that is, until the reality of it sets in, until you have to look down the barrel of your rifle and into the face of your brothers and sisters, just doing their jobs. Would you become the monster you strive to take down? Strategy is what is needed brothers and sisters. As with any burgeoning military faction our officers and commanders are slowly gaining reputation within the government. The Federation is coming to realize that we may just be hired guns but it is in their best interest to keep us happy. We must have patience, as painful as it is to see innocents fall the hand of the corrupt, the losses would be a hundred fold if their was an attempt of direct confrontation.
I don't think the Gallentean people can afford revolution. If they throw themselves into chaos what is to stop the Caldari from making massive pushes, or the Amarr shifting military focus to the Federation?
Revolution is not the answer you seek. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1403
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Posted - 2013.08.26 20:14:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:im pure blood gallente, but I know whats good and whats not good.
Do you? The Gallentean precedents of good and evil, right and wrong seem very obscure to me. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1410
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Posted - 2013.08.27 23:37:00 -
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Xavier Hastings wrote: The only people I personally have a quarrel with is the Amarran Government, and the people who do inflict torture on their slaves. But the people that are not too fanatic, I do not a problem with. I do not even have a problem with the Caldari, the one we have the bitterest feud with. To say that I am single-minded, comrade, is completely absurd.
But we do not mistreat slave. They are our children. |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1435
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Posted - 2013.08.29 23:48:00 -
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Tyrionn Callazar wrote:Let those affairs of politics for the pompous and fat senators! For we are mercenaries, fighting and waging war is what we do, it is not our job to meddle into politics and incite rebellion because we do not agree with the Federation's policies.
If saying that you are fighting for an Ideal, fighting to change the world and make it a better place makes you feel better about what you do then you are living a lie my "brother". Because in the end we only fight for one thing, and that is wealth.
The citizens of the Federation can decide their own fate!
Why do you say that. I fight for my Empire and nothing more, any ISK the empire gives me is immediately converted into wartime materiel or converted into functional equipment so that I may better defend the empires borders.
Its is no lie, it is the only truth in New Eden. |
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