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Flux Raeder
WarRavens League of Infamy
152
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:07:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:As much as I love the spirit, culture of the Gallente people, as well as military fighting style, I detest the acts and the hypocrisy of the Federation.
All of the powers are sick and corrupted, any person that tries to tell you anything else is wrong
Don't try to be apologetic for the Federation, don't try to justify the acts of the Federation, we don't need that. What we need is change.
Instead, lets take back our Government, allow the Gallente Spirit to be evident within our governance, change it.
The Federation is heading deeper into the darkness, I was once ordered to kill an innocent mother of three, "For the greater good" they said. No good can come from killing a beloved mother of 3 for telling the truth and opening people's eyes.
I have seen and done many things that I regret, I have no personal god to believe in so the only one to atone for my sins are me.
Nay, I'm not just fighting to atone just for my sins but the Sins of Our Fathers as well. It is our right to ensure the generations of tomorrow a more peaceful and stable future.
This "Federation" serves itself. This "Federation" has become bloated with arrogance. This "Federation" has become power hungry. This "Federation" doesn't belong to the Gallente people
Join me brother and sisters.
Help me,
Take it back.
- Former Black Eagle Agent, Phaneron Manumit Kirk (Sgt Kirk)
Says the EoN member..... |
XANDER KAG
Red Star. EoN.
201
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:25:00 -
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Flux Raeder wrote: Says the EoN member.....
((Corp and Alliance can be ignored here, I serve the Minmatar so proof)) |
Flux Raeder
WarRavens League of Infamy
152
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Posted - 2013.08.19 21:52:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:Flux Raeder wrote: Says the EoN member.....
((Corp and Alliance can be ignored here, I serve the Minmatar so proof)) You may, but the merc that brought up the topic does not. He claims that our Gallante leaders are corrupt while he himself associates himself with a group that has a notoriety for treachery, manipulation, and corruption. Many of the lawless corporations that make up the alliance of EoN have broken sworn truces without a second thought, promised protection to those who wished to help then only to take them down when they have lowered their defenses. Many of YOUR leaders see your corporations coffers as an extension of their own wallet, while many of your soldiers brag about hiding away in the corridors of our MCCs while they rest of us fight for our lives on the field. So, the irony of a member of this notoriously corrupt and largely dishonourable alliance protesting corruption in higher ranks... It is not lost on us. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1196
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Posted - 2013.08.19 22:30:00 -
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Flux Raeder wrote:XANDER KAG wrote:Flux Raeder wrote: Says the EoN member.....
((Corp and Alliance can be ignored here, I serve the Minmatar so proof)) You may, but the merc that brought up the topic does not. He claims that our Gallante leaders are corrupt while he himself associates himself with a group that has a notoriety for treachery, manipulation, and corruption. Many of the lawless corporations that make up the alliance of EoN have broken sworn truces without a second thought, promised protection to those who wished to help then only to take them down when they have lowered their defenses. Many of YOUR leaders see your corporations coffers as an extension of their own wallet, while many of your soldiers brag about hiding away in the corridors of our MCCs while they rest of us fight for our lives on the field. So, the irony of a member of this notoriously corrupt and largely dishonourable alliance protesting corruption in higher ranks... It is not lost on us. Hahah, I'm going to ignore that because I'm well aware that you're just being a child.
This is a role playing thread regarding The Gallente Federation. Not you throwing a sissy fit and or being a troll. |
Auld Syne
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
74
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Posted - 2013.08.19 22:35:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Flux Raeder wrote:XANDER KAG wrote:Flux Raeder wrote: Says the EoN member.....
((Corp and Alliance can be ignored here, I serve the Minmatar so proof)) You may, but the merc that brought up the topic does not. He claims that our Gallante leaders are corrupt while he himself associates himself with a group that has a notoriety for treachery, manipulation, and corruption. Many of the lawless corporations that make up the alliance of EoN have broken sworn truces without a second thought, promised protection to those who wished to help then only to take them down when they have lowered their defenses. Many of YOUR leaders see your corporations coffers as an extension of their own wallet, while many of your soldiers brag about hiding away in the corridors of our MCCs while they rest of us fight for our lives on the field. So, the irony of a member of this notoriously corrupt and largely dishonourable alliance protesting corruption in higher ranks... It is not lost on us. Hahah, I'm going to ignore that because I'm well aware that you're just being a child. This is a role playing thread regarding The Gallente Federation. Not you throwing a sissy fit and or being a troll. War Raven guy is hurting, leave him alone :'( |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1369
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Posted - 2013.08.19 22:46:00 -
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Auld Syne wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Flux Raeder wrote:XANDER KAG wrote:Flux Raeder wrote: Says the EoN member.....
((Corp and Alliance can be ignored here, I serve the Minmatar so proof)) You may, but the merc that brought up the topic does not. He claims that our Gallante leaders are corrupt while he himself associates himself with a group that has a notoriety for treachery, manipulation, and corruption. Many of the lawless corporations that make up the alliance of EoN have broken sworn truces without a second thought, promised protection to those who wished to help then only to take them down when they have lowered their defenses. Many of YOUR leaders see your corporations coffers as an extension of their own wallet, while many of your soldiers brag about hiding away in the corridors of our MCCs while they rest of us fight for our lives on the field. So, the irony of a member of this notoriously corrupt and largely dishonourable alliance protesting corruption in higher ranks... It is not lost on us. Hahah, I'm going to ignore that because I'm well aware that you're just being a child. This is a role playing thread regarding The Gallente Federation. Not you throwing a sissy fit and or being a troll. War Raven guy is hurting, leave him alone :'(
((Yeah its kind of sad to see someone from the warravens having to use an RP thread to attack EoN.... we leave out coporations here unless the directly affect our lore, and we do not use use corporations and such things willingly to attack one another. This is a rather civilised place, keep your general discussions/warroom talk out of here.)) |
Flux Raeder
WarRavens League of Infamy
152
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Posted - 2013.08.19 23:11:00 -
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((I fail to see how the group of people you fight with, who share a set of ideals reflecting what is going on in new Eden does not affect the lore. As it is the "lore" is what is written by us, it is made every day by what we do. No, I do not have to come on an rping section to attack your Corp, I called out a town crier who associates with an alliance of mercenaries who are almost everything he claims our leaders have become. But go ahead, ignore it, dismiss it as a childish act, call me a troll, whatever makes you feel better than you would if you thought about what your alliance as a whole has done and is doing.)) |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1196
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Posted - 2013.08.19 23:16:00 -
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(( No one else reply to Flux Reader please There have been too many OOC post in this thread already F.Y.I. Corporations =/= Government. Now please stop making WarRavens look desperate.)) |
Flux Raeder
WarRavens League of Infamy
152
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Posted - 2013.08.20 00:21:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:As much as I love the spirit, culture of the Gallente people, as well as military fighting style, I detest the acts and the hypocrisy of the Federation.
All of the powers are sick and corrupted, any person that tries to tell you anything else is wrong
Don't try to be apologetic for the Federation, don't try to justify the acts of the Federation, we don't need that. What we need is change.
Instead, lets take back our Government, allow the Gallente Spirit to be evident within our governance, change it.
The Federation is heading deeper into the darkness, I was once ordered to kill an innocent mother of three, "For the greater good" they said. No good can come from killing a beloved mother of 3 for telling the truth and opening people's eyes.
I have seen and done many things that I regret, I have no personal god to believe in so the only one to atone for my sins are me.
Nay, I'm not just fighting to atone just for my sins but the Sins of Our Fathers as well. It is our right to ensure the generations of tomorrow a more peaceful and stable future.
This "Federation" serves itself. This "Federation" has become bloated with arrogance. This "Federation" has become power hungry. This "Federation" doesn't belong to the Gallente people
Join me brother and sisters.
Help me,
Take it back.
- Former Black Eagle Agent, Phaneron Manumit Kirk (Sgt Kirk)
Initial disagreements aside, the Federation has alienated itself from the very people that keep it going, however this will not continue for much longer. In the back alleys and dark corners of our markets I hear the whispers of revolution, but a revolution is the last thing we need. Such a nice and noble sounding concept: "rise up and overthrow the tyrants!". Nice, that is, until the reality of it sets in, until you have to look down the barrel of your rifle and into the face of your brothers and sisters, just doing their jobs. Would you become the monster you strive to take down?
Strategy is what is needed brothers and sisters.
As with any burgeoning military faction our officers and commanders are slowly gaining reputation within the government. The Federation is coming to realize that we may just be hired guns but it is in their best interest to keep us happy. We must have patience, as painful as it is to see innocents fall the hand of the corrupt, the losses would be a hundred fold if their was an attempt of direct confrontation.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1372
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Posted - 2013.08.20 00:38:00 -
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Flux Raeder wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:As much as I love the spirit, culture of the Gallente people, as well as military fighting style, I detest the acts and the hypocrisy of the Federation.
All of the powers are sick and corrupted, any person that tries to tell you anything else is wrong
Don't try to be apologetic for the Federation, don't try to justify the acts of the Federation, we don't need that. What we need is change.
Instead, lets take back our Government, allow the Gallente Spirit to be evident within our governance, change it.
The Federation is heading deeper into the darkness, I was once ordered to kill an innocent mother of three, "For the greater good" they said. No good can come from killing a beloved mother of 3 for telling the truth and opening people's eyes.
I have seen and done many things that I regret, I have no personal god to believe in so the only one to atone for my sins are me.
Nay, I'm not just fighting to atone just for my sins but the Sins of Our Fathers as well. It is our right to ensure the generations of tomorrow a more peaceful and stable future.
This "Federation" serves itself. This "Federation" has become bloated with arrogance. This "Federation" has become power hungry. This "Federation" doesn't belong to the Gallente people
Join me brother and sisters.
Help me,
Take it back.
- Former Black Eagle Agent, Phaneron Manumit Kirk (Sgt Kirk) Initial disagreements aside, the Federation has alienated itself from the very people that keep it going, however this will not continue for much longer. In the back alleys and dark corners of our markets I hear the whispers of revolution, but a revolution is the last thing we need. Such a nice and noble sounding concept: "rise up and overthrow the tyrants!". Nice, that is, until the reality of it sets in, until you have to look down the barrel of your rifle and into the face of your brothers and sisters, just doing their jobs. Would you become the monster you strive to take down? Strategy is what is needed brothers and sisters. As with any burgeoning military faction our officers and commanders are slowly gaining reputation within the government. The Federation is coming to realize that we may just be hired guns but it is in their best interest to keep us happy. We must have patience, as painful as it is to see innocents fall the hand of the corrupt, the losses would be a hundred fold if their was an attempt of direct confrontation.
I don't think the Gallentean people can afford revolution. If they throw themselves into chaos what is to stop the Caldari from making massive pushes, or the Amarr shifting military focus to the Federation?
Revolution is not the answer you seek. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
2569
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Posted - 2013.08.20 09:20:00 -
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I have removed the off-topic posts that people were making between parenthesis. None of it even made sense! You immortal mercs might need to get your implants checked out. EVE Online/DUST 514 Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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Xavier Hastings
ZionTCD
314
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Posted - 2013.08.25 23:09:00 -
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Revolution? No, revolution is not acceptable.
Even though I do not doubt that there are the corrupt inside our government, they are not as bad as you say they are, Mister Kirk. The fact that you were told to kill a mother of three may or may not be true, depending on your ambitions.
Nay, if you propose to fight a bloody war against these "tyrants", which has no ground or merit due to the fact that our freedoms are still intact, then I must oppose who you are and what you stand for.
If they are corrupt, they will be outed as such, and shall be voted out of office. It has been so for a plethora of years, and should remain so. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1314
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Posted - 2013.08.26 01:04:00 -
[73] - Quote
Xavier Hastings wrote:Revolution? No, revolution is not acceptable.
Even though I do not doubt that there are the corrupt inside our government, they are not as bad as you say they are, Mister Kirk. The fact that you were told to kill a mother of three may or may not be true, depending on your ambitions.
Nay, if you propose to fight a bloody war against these "tyrants", which has no ground or merit due to the fact that our freedoms are still intact, then I must oppose who you are and what you stand for.
If they are corrupt, they will be outed as such, and shall be voted out of office. It has been so for a plethora of years, and should remain so. I was assigned to take out The Mother, I was there in the city with my rifle scope zoomed into her window. I decided to go awol after what I saw that evening and what I've done.
I am not the one who imposed a bloody war you pawn. We are there to expose the truth to the people.
The very fact that you jump straight to violent revolution shows me just how single-minded the Gallente people are to anyone that speaks against their government.
We do not fight unless it is necessary and so far we've only resulted in violence in defense against cronies of the Federation.
You are still asleep Citizen, wake up from the dream. The nightmare is reality. |
Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
89
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Posted - 2013.08.26 04:28:00 -
[74] - Quote
Sgt Kirk wrote:As much as I love the spirit, culture of the Gallente people, as well as military fighting style, I detest the acts and the hypocrisy of the Federation.
All of the powers are sick and corrupted, any person that tries to tell you anything else is wrong
Don't try to be apologetic for the Federation, don't try to justify the acts of the Federation, we don't need that. What we need is change.
Instead, lets take back our Government, allow the Gallente Spirit to be evident within our governance, change it.
The Federation is heading deeper into the darkness, I was once ordered to kill an innocent mother of three, "For the greater good" they said. No good can come from killing a beloved mother of 3 for telling the truth and opening people's eyes.
I have seen and done many things that I regret, I have no personal god to believe in so the only one to atone for my sins are me.
Nay, I'm not just fighting to atone just for my sins but the Sins of Our Fathers as well. It is our right to ensure the generations of tomorrow a more peaceful and stable future.
This "Federation" serves itself. This "Federation" has become bloated with arrogance. This "Federation" has become power hungry. This "Federation" doesn't belong to the Gallente people
Join me brother and sisters.
Help me,
Take it back.
- Former Black Eagle Agent, Phaneron Manumit Kirk (Sgt Kirk)
You speak as though killing the mother of three was your worst transgression. Have you forgotten the miners son? |
Void Echo
Echo Galactic Industries
1065
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Posted - 2013.08.26 06:53:00 -
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well.. we could always just build up the political power of the people in order to take it back |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1316
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:07:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:well.. we could always just build up the political power of the people in order to take it back "The Mother" was a highly influential person within the new political Party and she was gaining ground, fast.
Any outside opposition outside of the placed "Elected officials" is deemed a threat to the current power. |
Void Echo
Echo Galactic Industries
1065
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:36:00 -
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then the only way to do this right is stage an uprising for the people to follow behind. |
Matobar
Warrior Nation WNx
173
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Posted - 2013.08.26 15:02:00 -
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I look at this collection of ideas, and I have to laugh. Both out of condescension, and out of pity.
A true Gallente would know how outrageous your ideas are, how far off the mark you are.
You claim to be Gallente, but your talk of revolution and anarchy put the lie to your words.
You claim to be serving the Gallente people, but how can that be? You rail against the government, saying it is leading the nation "into darkness," and yet I don't see how that can be so.
Who is it that puts the government into power? The people.
Who is it that views every decision, every law, every act the government can enact? The people.
And what is the Gallente ideal based around? Her people.
You claim the government is leading its people from the light, but how are you better? They chose their leaders, and you want to replace them? "For their own good? For the good of all Gallente?" Sounds like the same reasoning that made you put innocents to death.
What gives you the right, the power, to decide the fate of billions? Who are you to decide you're better fit to lead the Federation than those chosen to do so by Her people?
Listen, "brother", to the hypocrisy of your own words, before you accuse others of being the source of the problem. |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
377
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Posted - 2013.08.26 15:15:00 -
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Matobar wrote:I look at this collection of ideas, and I have to laugh. Both out of condescension, and out of pity.
A true Gallente would know how outrageous your ideas are, how far off the mark you are.
You claim to be Gallente, but your talk of revolution and anarchy put the lie to your words.
You claim to be serving the Gallente people, but how can that be? You rail against the government, saying it is leading the nation "into darkness," and yet I don't see how that can be so.
Who is it that puts the government into power? The people.
Who is it that views every decision, every law, every act the government can enact? The people.
And what is the Gallente ideal based around? Her people.
You claim the government is leading its people from the light, but how are you better? They chose their leaders, and you want to replace them? "For their own good? For the good of all Gallente?" Sounds like the same reasoning that made you put innocents to death.
What gives you the right, the power, to decide the fate of billions? Who are you to decide you're better fit to lead the Federation than those chosen to do so by Her people?
Listen, "brother", to the hypocrisy of your own words, before you accuse others of being the source of the problem. The problem lies in the fact that the elections, in their very core are a popularity contest. Senators and the presidents are elected for their popularity by the actions they have done, not actual results they have accomplished that lead for the good of the Gallente in the long run. |
Matobar
Warrior Nation WNx
173
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Posted - 2013.08.26 15:21:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote: The problem lies in the fact that the elections, in their very core are a popularity contest. Senators and the presidents are elected for their popularity by the actions they have done, not actual results they have accomplished that lead for the good of the Gallente in the long run.
Jacus Roden ran the most powerful manufacturing and shiping empire in the Federation before he was elected president.
Mentas Blaque was a career military man before being elected to the Senate, and has served long enough to be named Speaker, as well as performing his duties as leader of the Black Eagles.
Before his resignation, Sauro Foiritan made his political career by overturning useless, redundant, and counter-productive laws enacted by his predecessors, and continued that trend from his service as planetary governor well into his tenure as the President. He was so good at his job, the people supported his decision to give himself another term by reelecting him.
Popularity contest it may be, but people hardly elect celebrities into office because of the cuteness of their dogs, or how much money they have. Ineffective leaders are sent packing, and good, experienced ones are kept in the fold to ensure the continued stable governance of the Federation. I defy you to prove otherwise. |
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Void Echo
Echo Galactic Industries
1072
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Posted - 2013.08.26 16:36:00 -
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Matobar wrote:Denak Kalamari wrote: The problem lies in the fact that the elections, in their very core are a popularity contest. Senators and the presidents are elected for their popularity by the actions they have done, not actual results they have accomplished that lead for the good of the Gallente in the long run.
Jacus Roden ran the most powerful manufacturing and shiping empire in the Federation before he was elected president. Mentas Blaque was a career military man before being elected to the Senate, and has served long enough to be named Speaker, as well as performing his duties as leader of the Black Eagles. Before his resignation, Sauro Foiritan made his political career by overturning useless, redundant, and counter-productive laws enacted by his predecessors, and continued that trend from his service as planetary governor well into his tenure as the President. He was so good at his job, the people supported his decision to give himself another term by reelecting him. Popularity contest it may be, but people hardly elect celebrities into office because of the cuteness of their dogs, or how much money they have. Ineffective leaders are sent packing, and good, experienced ones are kept in the fold to ensure the continued stable governance of the Federation. I defy you to prove otherwise.
im pure blood gallente, any pure blood would never hesitate to go against the federation if the federation is no longer the federation |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
377
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Posted - 2013.08.26 16:41:00 -
[82] - Quote
Matobar wrote: Jacus Roden ran the most powerful manufacturing and shiping empire in the Federation before he was elected president.
Mentas Blaque was a career military man before being elected to the Senate, and has served long enough to be named Speaker, as well as performing his duties as leader of the Black Eagles.
Before his resignation, Sauro Foiritan made his political career by overturning useless, redundant, and counter-productive laws enacted by his predecessors, and continued that trend from his service as planetary governor well into his tenure as the President. He was so good at his job, the people supported his decision to give himself another term by reelecting him.
Popularity contest it may be, but people hardly elect celebrities into office because of the cuteness of their dogs, or how much money they have. Ineffective leaders are sent packing, and good, experienced ones are kept in the fold to ensure the continued stable governance of the Federation. I defy you to prove otherwise.
How about the whole scandal that is the battle for Caldari Prime? Yes, Tibus Heth did a lot of bad things during the occupation, but you need two sides to have a war, and the Gallente attack on the Shiigeru was a stupid move. If it wasn't for the actions of admiral Yanala, a Caldari officer, Caldari Prime would still be nothing but an inhabitable wasteland. |
Void Echo
Echo Galactic Industries
1072
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Posted - 2013.08.26 17:04:00 -
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im pure blood gallente, but I know whats good and whats not good. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1403
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Posted - 2013.08.26 20:14:00 -
[84] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:im pure blood gallente, but I know whats good and whats not good. Do you? The Gallentean precedents of good and evil, right and wrong seem very obscure to me. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
2760
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Posted - 2013.08.26 22:13:00 -
[85] - Quote
I too feel that the Federation has lost its way in recent years. Since the election of Jacus Roden, things have certainly taken a darker turn. Admittedly the Federation has never been perfect, but things have been worsening.
Roden's business, 'Roden Shipyards' have always been shrouded in mystery. He's been suspected of aiding the Serpentis for decades, and his election was only a product of the 'perfect storm' of wrong factors. If people realised what he was like then perhaps our ideals would be much better upheld. For those unfamiliar with Gallentean politics, after the election of Tibus Heth and the subsequent invasion of Luminaire, President Souro Foiritan lost face as he was forced to publically execute a traitorous admiral. After Executive Order 81042, Roden was able to unite the manufacturing and military contracting industries against Foiritan. This, along with the promises of retribution from Roden, secured the support of three of the five main voting blocs - The Hawks, the Magpies, and especially the Vultures. Should you look at this in more depth, you'll immediately realise that two of the blocs are almost Caldari in their capitalism, and the other is only after the retribution Roden promised.
For all the Gallentean hatred of the Caldari, Roden embraces so many of their values. Such blind capitalism is what dominates the Caldari State, and it's very disheartening to see it in our own nation.
However, Roden has been a capable leader. Perhaps it was for the best that he came into office rather than another President like Foiritan, as Roden certainly has had the initiative and audacity to make several key moves - the liberation of Luminaire, for example. I only wish that it had been achieved without sacrificing our ideals as much as they have been. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1325
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Posted - 2013.08.27 02:04:00 -
[86] - Quote
The post from the Gallentean that is confident in the good-nature of the current Federation is the very reason our objective is hard to achieve.
How do you prove something true when you flash the truth before their eyes and it's still not believe.
Pure Gallentean or not, it doesn't take an intellectual to see that the Federation is not the Federation we hold it to be.
Matobar is a the very definition of what we're going up against. |
21yrOld Knight
High-Damage
85
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Posted - 2013.08.27 02:08:00 -
[87] - Quote
You know what i find strange Sgt Kirk you want to have change in the federation but the alliance you are in is pro-caldari. Could your intentions actually be against the federation in general. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1325
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Posted - 2013.08.27 02:45:00 -
[88] - Quote
((all OOC will be ignored because this thread has already been warned once)) |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
378
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Posted - 2013.08.27 04:13:00 -
[89] - Quote
Sgt Kirk wrote:((all OOC will be ignored because this thread has already been warned once)) ((Your alliance or corporation are not OOC, they're a part of your identity just as much as you yourself is, you can't just ignore it or then everything I've said to support Intaki would have been moot. Live with your decisions, switch your corporation or alliance that fit your IC views, or find a workaround with it, but it is not OOC)) |
Xavier Hastings
ZionTCD
314
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Posted - 2013.08.27 23:15:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Xavier Hastings wrote:Revolution? No, revolution is not acceptable.
Even though I do not doubt that there are the corrupt inside our government, they are not as bad as you say they are, Mister Kirk. The fact that you were told to kill a mother of three may or may not be true, depending on your ambitions.
Nay, if you propose to fight a bloody war against these "tyrants", which has no ground or merit due to the fact that our freedoms are still intact, then I must oppose who you are and what you stand for.
If they are corrupt, they will be outed as such, and shall be voted out of office. It has been so for a plethora of years, and should remain so. I was assigned to take out The Mother, I was there in the city with my rifle scope zoomed into her window. I decided to go awol after what I saw that evening and what I've done. I am not the one who imposed a bloody war you pawn. We are there to expose the truth to the people. The very fact that you jump straight to violent revolution shows me just how single-minded the Gallente people are to anyone that speaks against their government. We do not fight unless it is necessary and so far we've only resulted in violence in defense against cronies of the Federation. You are still asleep Citizen, wake up from the dream. The nightmare is reality. If you truly did value Gallentean culture, you would realize that bloody revolution is not the answer. The people are the the answer. A peaceful revolution is the answer.
And forgive me if I misinterpret you, but it is hard to believe that you are advocating anything but violent revolution. And single-minded? I am quite open actually. The only people I personally have a quarrel with is the Amarran Government, and the people who do inflict torture on their slaves. But the people that are not too fanatic, I do not a problem with. I do not even have a problem with the Caldari, the one we have the bitterest feud with. To say that I am single-minded, comrade, is completely absurd.
Also, do give us proof of such deeds. I will not take your word on it.
Matobar explains it quite nicely:
Matobar wrote:I look at this collection of ideas, and I have to laugh. Both out of condescension, and out of pity.
A true Gallente would know how outrageous your ideas are, how far off the mark you are.
You claim to be Gallente, but your talk of revolution and anarchy put the lie to your words.
You claim to be serving the Gallente people, but how can that be? You rail against the government, saying it is leading the nation "into darkness," and yet I don't see how that can be so.
Who is it that puts the government into power? The people.
Who is it that views every decision, every law, every act the government can enact? The people.
And what is the Gallente ideal based around? Her people.
You claim the government is leading its people from the light, but how are you better? They chose their leaders, and you want to replace them? "For their own good? For the good of all Gallente?" Sounds like the same reasoning that made you put innocents to death.
What gives you the right, the power, to decide the fate of billions? Who are you to decide you're better fit to lead the Federation than those chosen to do so by Her people?
Listen, "brother", to the hypocrisy of your own words, before you accuse others of being the source of the problem.
It is good some people are sane.
Sgt Kirk wrote:The post from the Gallentean that is confident in the good-nature of the current Federation is the very reason our objective is hard to achieve.
How do you prove something true when you flash the truth before their eyes and it's still not believe.
Pure Gallentean or not, it doesn't take an intellectual to see that the Federation is not the Federation we hold it to be.
Matobar is a the very definition of what we're going up against. So, you are going against the people and deciding to overthrow leaders that were properly elected? Going against Democracy?
If they are corrupt, please do expose them. But let the people act.
True Adamance wrote: Do you? The Gallentean precedents of good and evil, right and wrong seem very obscure to me.
*sigh*
I've explained this before, but this is fun, right?
It is not that we do not have morals, it is that the government does not take a say in it. No morals are forced upon you in our nation. Of course, values are not put down, either. If you are mature enough to make a decision, then make it yourself. The Government will not babysit you. They will, however, give you the outcome of the choices, both good and bad. It is up to you to take the risk, or not. |
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