DUST Search - A question for all you assault rifle users out there.

Nosid Katona wrote:

Nicholas Silverton wrote:

So the pattern in your responses expectedly seems to be that you guys use the ar because it is usefully in any situation and because it is easy to use.

I have another question for you: doesn't this go against combat in eve completely, where it takes much skill to be good with your ship and if you don't have the right ship for the battle you're ******?

Well if everything like shields and armor were balanced against eachother, all basic content promised upon release was included, and this wasn't a lobby shooter till further notice, I'd maybe agree with you; sadly this is what we have. When we have a tactics filled balanced between roles game where combat isn't so restricted this argument won't fly.

Also you and I both know this is coming so I'll get it out of the way, this isn't EvE this is an FPS. Two totally different beasts and we aren't even really sharing the same universe yet, just the same setting and backstory in my opinion.

Vae Victis

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Nicholas Silverton Granite Mercenary Division 17	Posted - 2013.08.16 23:36:00 - [1] - Quote To start off, this post is not about inspiring hate and this post is not about balance, I am just asking a simple question. Why you no use other guns?
RevoItZ No Free Pass 116	Posted - 2013.08.16 23:38:00 - [2] - Quote Because I are noob with other weapons
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 504	Posted - 2013.08.16 23:39:00 - [3] - Quote Accuracy, range, fear of nerf, 110% base damage, range, compatibility, range
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 581	Posted - 2013.08.16 23:41:00 - [4] - Quote Because the armour buff will screw any ascr user
Knight Soiaire Better Hide R Die 1837	Posted - 2013.08.16 23:42:00 - [5] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Accuracy, range, fear of nerf, 110% base damage, range, compatibility, range I dont think you mentioned its range. Range.
Nicholas Silverton Granite Mercenary Division 17	Posted - 2013.08.16 23:45:00 - [6] - Quote RevoItZ wrote: Because I are noob with other weapons Lol, what I'm trying to get at is that we are playing a game with lazors, plasma cannons(aka rubber ball launchers), forge guns, multiple rocket rpgs and grenade launchers. Yet you guys chose the most cliche weapon in fps history, does it ever get boring?
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1670	Posted - 2013.08.16 23:45:00 - [7] - Quote Because SP... I would need another weapon to at least proficiency 3 to be even in power to my AR and I have other things I wanna spend SP on. Why no other weapons? Cause no respec.
LoveNewlooy Black Phoenix Mercenaries 64	Posted - 2013.08.16 23:46:00 - [8] - Quote does ASCR count?
Spaceman-Rob Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 147	Posted - 2013.08.16 23:49:00 - [9] - Quote Because if we don't, who will?
Nicholas Silverton Granite Mercenary Division 17	Posted - 2013.08.16 23:49:00 - [10] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Rynoceros wrote: Accuracy, range, fear of nerf, 110% base damage, range, compatibility, range I dont think you mentioned its range. Range. In enemy base walking around waiting for squad mate to spawn Me: oh God I'm being sniped by an ar! http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=geHLdg_VNww&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DgeHLdg_VNww

ritslight umarn SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 18	Posted - 2013.08.16 23:52:00 - [11] - Quote Nicholas Silverton wrote: To start off, this post is not about inspiring hate and this post is not about balance, I am just asking a simple question. Why you no use other guns? Depending on what part of the community you're aiming this at because as myself im 10 million in to sp atm just finished of my proto logi suit and equiment and stuff like that, as of my self I want to get everything for that suit first so hopefully in the near future I will spec in to a different weapon but if you're aiming this at vets in the game then they probably have spec into different weapons
Nicholas Silverton Granite Mercenary Division 17	Posted - 2013.08.16 23:52:00 - [12] - Quote LoveNewlooy wrote: does ASCR count? The only small difference between the ascr and the ar is the overheat mechanic, which I guess makes it a little different. I personally use and prefer an imperial
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1224	Posted - 2013.08.16 23:53:00 - [13] - Quote Nicholas Silverton wrote: To start off, this post is not about inspiring hate and this post is not about balance, I am just asking a simple question. Why you no use other guns? When I first started this game I used it because it's the one thing you know will work, and how it will work. Everything after that is learned.
Nicholas Silverton Granite Mercenary Division 17	Posted - 2013.08.16 23:54:00 - [14] - Quote ritslight umarn wrote: Nicholas Silverton wrote: To start off, this post is not about inspiring hate and this post is not about balance, I am just asking a simple question. Why you no use other guns? Depending on what part of the community you're aiming this at because as myself im 10 million in to sp atm just finished of my proto logi suit and equiment and stuff like that, as of my self I want to get everything for that suit first so hopefully in the near future I will spec in to a different weapon but if you're aiming this at vets in the game then they probably have spec into different weapons I am trying to give new players a push to try new weapons as it seams that most new players got for the ar, it being the most recognizable weapon which to me makes no sense.
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 581	Posted - 2013.08.16 23:56:00 - [15] - Quote Nicholas Silverton wrote: LoveNewlooy wrote: does ASCR count? The only small difference between the ascr and the ar is the overheat mechanic, which I guess makes it a little different. I personally use and prefer an imperial 120% dmg to shields 80% to armour so by buffing armour your also screwing the ascr
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1144	Posted - 2013.08.16 23:58:00 - [16] - Quote I choose it because I like the Gallente fighting Style. Up close and able to rip you apart. Hopefully this game will allow the use of Drones like in eve but we probably won't see that on the PS3. (at least give us small sentry turrets CCP)
Nicholas Silverton Granite Mercenary Division 17	Posted - 2013.08.16 23:59:00 - [17] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Nicholas Silverton wrote: LoveNewlooy wrote: does ASCR count? The only small difference between the ascr and the ar is the overheat mechanic, which I guess makes it a little different. I personally use and prefer an imperial 120% dmg to shields 80% to armour so by buffing armour your also screwing the ascr This is true it will make sr less desirable. To counter this, I personally use a flaylock as secondary to have a decent chance against armor.
ODB PLZ QcGOLD 17	Posted - 2013.08.16 23:59:00 - [18] - Quote I use AR and SMG pew pew
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 723	Posted - 2013.08.17 00:01:00 - [19] - Quote ALL LIGHT WEAPONS BELOW: ASSAULT RIFLE: Well, this is why we are here no? Good range, has + to shield which in current meta is awesome, tight ADS with decent sight picture and not bad for hipfire. SNIPER RIFLE: Specialized and situational; must kneel to fire effectively, small clip size makes spray and pray unattainable. SWARM LAUNCHERS: Limited anti-infantry use. MASS DRIVERS: Can kill yourself; no-skill CQC FOTM piece of **; harder to aim at range and travel time of grenade makes it less effective than AR. LASER RIFLE: Was nerfed into oblivion and scope *** sucks; damage falloff at close range; overheat makes this an Amarr Assault-specific weapon to be used to full potential. SHOTGUNS: CQC only with no med-long range functionality; **** up hit detection in present build SCRAMBLER RIFLES: Less damage to armor than AR; overheat disrupts DPS potential and makes it another amarr-assault specific weapon to achieve full potential. PLASMA CANNONS: I actually use this for the lolz. Another CQC weapon, but single-shot-then-reload leads to reduced survivability. Shoddy hit detection leads to necessity to aim at feet and rely on splash damage limiting the weapon's full potential. ....... so WTF do YOU want me to use?
Rage Racer DUST University Ivy League 7	Posted - 2013.08.17 00:02:00 - [20] - Quote Nicholas Silverton wrote: To start off, this post is not about inspiring hate and this post is not about balance, I am just asking a simple question. Why you no use other guns? But I do. Its just that ARs are way more versatile than most other weapons.

BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1097	Posted - 2013.08.17 00:02:00 - [21] - Quote Nicholas Silverton wrote: To start off, this post is not about inspiring hate and this post is not about balance, I am just asking a simple question. Why you no use other guns? Because my weapon of choice are short range, high DPS weapons. The style the AR will be set once the other rifles come out.
Hellkeizer The Avutora Complex 16	Posted - 2013.08.17 00:05:00 - [22] - Quote I used to but they got nerfed so I stopped using them(flaylock is not one of those weapons I'm talking about). Besides that assault rifles are usually my favorite gun in any game so I use it more
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 723	Posted - 2013.08.17 00:06:00 - [23] - Quote Nicholas Silverton wrote: RevoItZ wrote: Because I are noob with other weapons Lol, what I'm trying to get at is that we are playing a game with lazors, plasma cannons(aka rubber ball launchers), forge guns, multiple rocket rpgs and grenade launchers. Yet you guys chose the most cliche weapon in fps history, does it ever get boring? Thing is, you just ... die alot if you use situational weapons in the wrong situation. Like... spawn in with a lazor rifle and find yourself face to face with .... anything and you are dead. The Assault Rifle is the jack of all trades that is effective in more situations than other weapons; other weapons will be more effective in their specialized situations (shotgun at close range, sniper at long range, scrambler rifle against shield tankers, lazer rifle at long range when scope gets unfucked, etc..).
Nosid Katona HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 39	Posted - 2013.08.17 00:14:00 - [24] - Quote As an assault rifle user myself I can say i use it because of how effective it is in most situations. I am a team oriented player but I often outlast or just get separated from my squad do to my playstyle; which leaves me on my own against one or more opponents. To be effective in such a situation I chose to run an assault rifle since it is effective against different types of enemies; is it best in all situations? In my opinion no. (In before Steve shows up for his anti AR chanting....) The AR can be outdone by other weapons in their situations; examples being SCR against shields, MD against armor (a little too effective? We shall see after the armor update, patience) etc. etc. Another thing that helped in my choice to continue to use the AR is none of the weapons we have right now feel like something I'd enjoy using for a long period of time; I tried the SCR and liked it, but it just didn't feel like my type of weapon. I might try the laser rifle next but other then that I can't see myself switching my primary weapon to anything else. I don't enjoy AOE weapons, they seem a bit cheap to me. I also feel the only time to use a shotgun in video games is when zombies are involved, using them against other people limits me to CQC (as all shotguns should) and I don't enjoy that as much. I would be a sniper in this game... If it wasn't so damned easy; I haven't used one above the starter fit since uprising started but from what I can tell nothing has changed, so no thanks. HMG? I'm not going heavy till the Gallente heavy is out so I think I'll put that one on hold. So until a new weapon is introduced or I get bored enough to try a weapon we have now and it totally blows me away, I can't see myself changing anytime soon. Vae Victis
Nicholas Silverton Granite Mercenary Division 17	Posted - 2013.08.17 00:16:00 - [25] - Quote So the pattern in your responses expectedly seems to be that you guys use the ar because it is usefully in any situation and because it is easy to use. I have another question for you: doesn't this go against combat in eve completely, where it takes much skill to be good with your ship and if you don't have the right ship for the battle you're ******?
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 724	Posted - 2013.08.17 00:19:00 - [26] - Quote Well EvE isn't really a good comparison. I'd compare it to other FPS honestly. But even in EvE over the years standard doctrines have developed whereby certain ships perform very well in many situations. The Hurricane and the Drake come to mind as being that sort of "versatile" ship. But dude. Quit being Socratic, no one is getting on board the anti-AR train that didn't already have a ticket on the sleeper car.
Nosid Katona HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 39	Posted - 2013.08.17 00:24:00 - [27] - Quote Nicholas Silverton wrote: So the pattern in your responses expectedly seems to be that you guys use the ar because it is usefully in any situation and because it is easy to use. I have another question for you: doesn't this go against combat in eve completely, where it takes much skill to be good with your ship and if you don't have the right ship for the battle you're ******? Well if everything like shields and armor were balanced against eachother, all basic content promised upon release was included, and this wasn't a lobby shooter till further notice, I'd maybe agree with you; sadly this is what we have. When we have a tactics filled balanced between roles game where combat isn't so restricted this argument won't fly. Also you and I both know this is coming so I'll get it out of the way, this isn't EvE this is an FPS. Two totally different beasts and we aren't even really sharing the same universe yet, just the same setting and backstory in my opinion. Vae Victis
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 98	Posted - 2013.08.17 00:24:00 - [28] - Quote becasue I dont consider the PC and MD guns. But I use them fairly often, sniper as well. your base assumption that the majority of AR users use only the AR is just wrong.
HYENAKILLER X TEAM SHINOBI 176	Posted - 2013.08.17 00:26:00 - [29] - Quote I came here to get a rifle and kill other men with rifles. I did not come here to join a group that has 2 tanks, 2 lavs and 2 mass drivers and a drop ship to go and fight guys with just rifles. Thats not what a lot of people want.
Nicholas Silverton Granite Mercenary Division 18	Posted - 2013.08.17 00:31:00 - [30] - Quote Nosid Katona wrote: Nicholas Silverton wrote: So the pattern in your responses expectedly seems to be that you guys use the ar because it is usefully in any situation and because it is easy to use. I have another question for you: doesn't this go against combat in eve completely, where it takes much skill to be good with your ship and if you don't have the right ship for the battle you're ******? Well if everything like shields and armor were balanced against eachother, all basic content promised upon release was included, and this wasn't a lobby shooter till further notice, I'd maybe agree with you; sadly this is what we have. When we have a tactics filled balanced between roles game where combat isn't so restricted this argument won't fly. Also you and I both know this is coming so I'll get it out of the way, this isn't EvE this is an FPS. Two totally different beasts and we aren't even really sharing the same universe yet, just the same setting and backstory in my opinion. Vae Victis You are more right tan I wish you were, if only CCP had a bigger budget, development team ETC. Imagine if this game was developed by DICE in partnership with CCP, oh the potential this idea had.



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