DUST Search - A question for all you assault rifle users out there.

Nicholas Silverton wrote:

Nosid Katona wrote:

Nicholas Silverton wrote:

So the pattern in your responses expectedly seems to be that you guys use the ar because it is usefully in any situation and because it is easy to use.

I have another question for you: doesn't this go against combat in eve completely, where it takes much skill to be good with your ship and if you don't have the right ship for the battle you're ******?

Well if everything like shields and armor were balanced against eachother, all basic content promised upon release was included, and this wasn't a lobby shooter till further notice, I'd maybe agree with you; sadly this is what we have. When we have a tactics filled balanced between roles game where combat isn't so restricted this argument won't fly.

Also you and I both know this is coming so I'll get it out of the way, this isn't EvE this is an FPS. Two totally different beasts and we aren't even really sharing the same universe yet, just the same setting and backstory in my opinion.

Vae Victis

You are more right tan I wish you were, if only CCP had a bigger budget, development team ETC. Imagine if this game was developed by DICE in partnership with CCP, oh the potential this idea had.

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DeadlyAztec11 Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo 1874	Posted - 2013.08.17 00:32:00 - [31] - Quote Because I want to be freakin' Rambo up in here!
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 456	Posted - 2013.08.17 00:32:00 - [32] - Quote I use the AR because I like it. I like Gallente tech, and I like lots of bullets. I used to be specced into both heavies and HMG's plus AR's back in chrome but since all the training costs went up, I'm still recovering and also adapting to the issues Uprising brought like murder taxis so I specced into proto swarms. The AR is good because you can't really be 100% caught with your pants down in any combat situation. I can still scare LR users at their range, and it's acceptably useful in CQC against scout shotties because I have lots of bullets that are enough to scare them away usually. Finally, it's also because with the dodgy aiming it can be hard to hit stuff so 60 bullets is usually just enough to take someone down.
Nosid Katona HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 40	Posted - 2013.08.17 00:41:00 - [33] - Quote Nicholas Silverton wrote: Nosid Katona wrote: Nicholas Silverton wrote: So the pattern in your responses expectedly seems to be that you guys use the ar because it is usefully in any situation and because it is easy to use. I have another question for you: doesn't this go against combat in eve completely, where it takes much skill to be good with your ship and if you don't have the right ship for the battle you're ******? Well if everything like shields and armor were balanced against eachother, all basic content promised upon release was included, and this wasn't a lobby shooter till further notice, I'd maybe agree with you; sadly this is what we have. When we have a tactics filled balanced between roles game where combat isn't so restricted this argument won't fly. Also you and I both know this is coming so I'll get it out of the way, this isn't EvE this is an FPS. Two totally different beasts and we aren't even really sharing the same universe yet, just the same setting and backstory in my opinion. Vae Victis You are more right tan I wish you were, if only CCP had a bigger budget, development team ETC. Imagine if this game was developed by DICE in partnership with CCP, oh the potential this idea had. I don't really think something like DICE is the answer; I enjoyed BF3 when I first got it and only stopped playing once all the DLC was out and I got to try it all out. Yesterday I went back to BF3 and it has become just another twitch shooter; with the added displeasure of player run servers (If you wanna know why this sucks so bad go watch Battlefield Friends episodes on Admins) I hate twitch shooters, they aren't fun and simply frustrate me whether or not I'm doing well or getting my ass kicked. A bigger budget and development team would be nice though, maybe in time we will see this come to fruition Vae Victis
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1013	Posted - 2013.08.17 00:45:00 - [34] - Quote Nicholas Silverton wrote: RevoItZ wrote: Because I are noob with other weapons Lol, what I'm trying to get at is that we are playing a game with lazors, plasma cannons(aka rubber ball launchers), forge guns, multiple rocket rpgs and grenade launchers. Yet you guys chose the most cliche weapon in fps history, does it ever get boring? It definitely gets boring, I used the AR for almost a year in this game and I got bored out of my mind with it. Which is why I loaded up an alt that had been collecting passive SP to try out many other weapons. Long story short, the AR bests all the other weapons I have tried... by FAR. The only weapon that stuck out as different but still incredibly useful, is the forge. Everything else in comparison to the AR, sucks. I've tried all the weapons below in their advanced tiers. Laser - Yeah, interesting to use but the sights are pretty awful and it is a highly situational weapon that gets out-ranged by an AR. Mass driver - Works pretty well and is a blast to use, but would never choose it over my AR for competitive play. Assault scrambler - Fun to use and I like the sound it makes, but aside from being able to have 72 rounds instead of 60 and having a RDS, the AR beats it in every other way possible, even in effectiveness against shields. Plus the muzzle flash is too bright. Scrambler rifle - I haven't yet played with the adv variant, but the std one overheats almost instantly and landing a charged hit is not very feasible in most situations. Plasma cannon - lol, do I even need to explain why this sucks compared to the AR? I haven't yet tried the shotgun or sniper in this build. But either way it is clear that the AR is just really good in every situation except sniping. Aside from having fun by trying new weapons, there is really no practical reason for anybody to choose the AR over any of the other light weapons when it comes to overall effectiveness.
LoveNewlooy Black Phoenix Mercenaries 65	Posted - 2013.08.17 00:53:00 - [35] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Nicholas Silverton wrote: LoveNewlooy wrote: does ASCR count? The only small difference between the ascr and the ar is the overheat mechanic, which I guess makes it a little different. I personally use and prefer an imperial 120% dmg to shields 80% to armour so by buffing armour your also screwing the ascr evenn 80% ascr still do alot of dmg
Thor McStrut Reckoners 119	Posted - 2013.08.17 00:53:00 - [36] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Nicholas Silverton wrote: LoveNewlooy wrote: does ASCR count? The only small difference between the ascr and the ar is the overheat mechanic, which I guess makes it a little different. I personally use and prefer an imperial 120% dmg to shields 80% to armour so by buffing armour your also screwing the ascr Yes, because every weapon needs to be effective in all situations. The idiocy on these boards is running rampant! I can't wait till the next FPS game FOTY comes out and all you go there. How about after stripping the shields away, you switch to your SMG or Flaylock, or better yet, have your squadmate that's rolling with an AR, or MD, or any other armor bonused weapon, focus fire on the target?
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 731	Posted - 2013.08.17 05:18:00 - [37] - Quote Also, the Scrambler Rifle - though very very similar in functionality - makes me look like I'm waving a ******* FISH around in my hands. Nom Nom Nom. I therefore cannot use. That is all.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2740	Posted - 2013.08.17 05:22:00 - [38] - Quote I would think that the reason they're so common is that it exists in just about every other FPS out there. You pick up the AR and it feels just like the assault rifle of insert FPS. I honestly think it has less to do with effectiveness and more with familiarity.
Michael Arck sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 542	Posted - 2013.08.17 05:31:00 - [39] - Quote I am a Caldari assault. Most trusted weapon is the AR. Nothing shall ever take its place. A logi cannot be without his nanite injector, an assault can't be without his AR. It doesn't go against combat, in fact, it coincides with combat that a soldier/mercernary has his standard rifle. This sudden flux of AR topics that speak about them being OP or the heavy reliance by assault players is just downright absurd. It never gets boring. Hearing the sound of the fire like a woodpecker with those muffled sounds of bullet hits against a dropsuit is satisfying. Seeing the red bars rapidly deplete is satisfying. It never gets boring. It only gets better.
Necandi Brasil Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 277	Posted - 2013.08.17 05:34:00 - [40] - Quote Because all I need is my rifle... Real men do it with lead, steel and guts!

Nicholas Silverton Granite Mercenary Division 23	Posted - 2013.08.17 05:45:00 - [41] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: I am a Caldari assault. Most trusted weapon is the AR. Nothing shall ever take its place. A logi cannot be without his nanite injector, an assault can't be without his AR. It doesn't go against combat, in fact, it coincides with combat that a soldier/mercernary has his standard rifle. This sudden flux of AR topics that speak about them being OP or the heavy reliance by assault players is just downright absurd. It never gets boring. Hearing the sound of the fire like a woodpecker with those muffled sounds of bullet hits against a dropsuit is satisfying. Seeing the red bars rapidly deplete is satisfying. It never gets boring. It only gets better. Like I stated, this post is not about balance but for the record my SR owns your AR
Michael Arck sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 542	Posted - 2013.08.17 05:49:00 - [42] - Quote Nicholas Silverton wrote: Michael Arck wrote: I am a Caldari assault. Most trusted weapon is the AR. Nothing shall ever take its place. A logi cannot be without his nanite injector, an assault can't be without his AR. It doesn't go against combat, in fact, it coincides with combat that a soldier/mercernary has his standard rifle. This sudden flux of AR topics that speak about them being OP or the heavy reliance by assault players is just downright absurd. It never gets boring. Hearing the sound of the fire like a woodpecker with those muffled sounds of bullet hits against a dropsuit is satisfying. Seeing the red bars rapidly deplete is satisfying. It never gets boring. It only gets better. Like I stated, this post is not about balance but for the record my SR owns your AR And my post had nothing to do with balancing. It had everything to do with me expressing why I have chosen the AR. Or better yet, why the AR chooses the assault player.
Blake Kingston Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 49	Posted - 2013.08.17 06:05:00 - [43] - Quote Because walk before run?
gargantuise aaron Sanguine Knights 62	Posted - 2013.08.17 06:35:00 - [44] - Quote Because Its free, but recently I finally invested sp into scrambler rifle,just replaced main weapon on freebie gear now I have 1,500 isk suit I use in pub match
gargantuise aaron Sanguine Knights 62	Posted - 2013.08.17 06:49:00 - [45] - Quote Also since newberries are so few on the forums ill speak for them 1 free isk wise 2 free sp wise 3 its in the starter fits 4 just pull trigger
Nemo Bluntz TeamPlayers EoN. 350	Posted - 2013.08.17 06:54:00 - [46] - Quote Nicholas Silverton wrote: Why you no use other guns? Because having the best of one well rounded weapon is better than having 3 mediocre weapons. That said, I'm near maxed on my AR, so I'm breaching out into SMGs and swarms, both of which have important roles. As I go, I'll eventually get other weapons. You don't win by having a ton of 'ok' weapons. You win by excelling in your one preferred weapon.
Aria Gomes DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 12	Posted - 2013.08.17 06:55:00 - [47] - Quote Personally I just enjoy ARs. They work well with me and my style of playing. I use my SMG more though. In the future I might change guns but for now I want to max out AR and SMG. After that maybe Scrambler. Not sure.
Taeryn Frost Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 47	Posted - 2013.08.17 07:13:00 - [48] - Quote I use an AR because it won't leave you woefully outmatched in a lot of situations. It won't match a heavy or shotgun at close range. It won't match a sniper or forge at long range. But it will be there when you need it. It is reliable and predictable. This is my AR. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My AR is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. My AR, without me, is useless. Without my AR, I am useless. I must fire my AR true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will... My AR and I know that what counts in this war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit... My AR is human, even as I, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will keep my AR clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other. We will....
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 2545	Posted - 2013.08.17 07:16:00 - [49] - Quote I use an SCR.
Slash Frenzy United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 7	Posted - 2013.08.17 07:21:00 - [50] - Quote Gallente Logi here. Nuff said? Not? Ok. The SCR is only equall to AR on AMARR suits. Maxed the SMG firs to Prof 3. Just wanted to have another gun. Have to say I don-¦t like vanilla BUT the DuvTAR IS perfect for Gallente Logi IF you are on an open map.

Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 141	Posted - 2013.08.17 08:34:00 - [51] - Quote Nicholas Silverton wrote: To start off, this post is not about inspiring hate and this post is not about balance, I am just asking a simple question. Why you no use other guns? So the pattern in your responses expectedly seems to be that you guys use the ar because it is usefully in any situation and because it is easy to use. I have another question for you: doesn't this go against combat in eve completely, where it takes much skill to be good with your ship and if you don't have the right ship for the battle you're ******? It's the M-16 of DUST. It was already in the game and we are still waiting on the other two racial variants. I'd assume CCP will rework the AR when the other two rifles hit. But it is the basic infantry weapon. It can't do everything. It is a general weapon for shooting ground troops. Maybe if they tied it's use to the dropsuit roles better like the SR is to the Amarr suit then that would be more reason to use the other rifles when they come out. I like the idea of adding jamming (apparently already exists to an extent) that can be overcome with suit role. Change the kick and dispersion bonus to the suit rather than the skill. Maybe get rid of the full automatic model and just have the burst and tac versions like the firing modes on an M-16. The Minmatar rifle will be the fully auto AK47.


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