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CaoticFox
Axis of Chaos
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Posted - 2013.08.17 03:18:00 -
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Psychotic Shooter wrote:yes but you can throw it and run of you should have to be still for 3 seconds while laying this is just plain stupidity... if he was able to drop it, run away, arm it, and detonate it while ur on it... give him/her the damned credit, and stop whining... it serves its purpose (hes just smarter than u) |
Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.08.17 04:09:00 -
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CaoticFox wrote:Psychotic Shooter wrote:yes but you can throw it and run of you should have to be still for 3 seconds while laying this is just plain stupidity... if he was able to drop it, run away, arm it, and detonate it while ur on it... give him/her the damned credit, and stop whining... it serves its purpose (hes just smarter than u)
You are thinking to simply. The real issue is when there are multiple combatants on both sides, say fighting over an objective, in this case it's impossible to track every enemies actions and they can get mass kills by simply throwing down a RE. Even with mics a team mates warning gives you no idea where it is or where to move in time. |
Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
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Posted - 2013.08.17 09:35:00 -
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You need more situational awareness. Those 4 guys were close enough together that one RE killed them, so they could have just as easily been run over with an LAV, spammed by grenades, or fluxed/MDed to death. The fact that a scout made of glass could run up to them, drop his remote, and detonate it before they dispersed is sneakiness to the scout's credit and lack of awareness to the victims' dismay. |
Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.08.17 15:21:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote:You need more situational awareness. Those 4 guys were close enough together that one RE killed them, so they could have just as easily been run over with an LAV, spammed by grenades, or fluxed/MDed to death. The fact that a scout made of glass could run up to them, drop his remote, and detonate it before they dispersed is sneakiness to the scout's credit and lack of awareness to the victims' dismay.
You should not assume it's a scout since its just as often or more often a Logi. There is often no sneaking involved just to many bodies around to see EVERYTHING clearly. What I WANT is a different animation for planting a remote explosive so it's much clearer and in my opinion there should be a delay of three seconds. The fact someone is more dangerous with a remote explosive then with a shotgun is messed up.
As an aside, I don't want to turn this into a debate on scout strengths or weakness, since I know that in some ways the scout is the hardest to play, but some of the hardest players to kill are scouts. So when done right scouts are anything but weak. |
Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
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Posted - 2013.08.18 15:16:00 -
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So a logi, one of the slowest moving classes and with a high scan profile, is able to run into a middle of a group of enemies and kill all of them with a remote explosive (and there already is a delay in activation)? Need I repeat my comment about situational awareness?
I think what you want is for the demo expert to be locked into an animation so you can kill them easier (akin to the nanite injector animation). The quick toss and detonate is a part of the RE playstyle - get used to it and adapt.
Here's a tip - if a guy seems like he has empty hands, he's either cooking a grenade, throwing a RE, or pulling out a nanite injector. If he's running toward a group of enemies, chances are he's not doing so to inject you to death. |
Lightning Bolt2
DUST University Ivy League
108
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Posted - 2013.08.18 22:50:00 -
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Ares 514 wrote:Spec Ops Cipher wrote:Lightning Bolt2 wrote:Just stupid idea OP... and yea, what others are saying. are you a heavy? if so, learn to throw fluxes/locus grenades when chasing a scout or sum1 with RE's especially at corners, RE's are fairly easier to counter. if CCP nerfs RE's also nerf grenades to balance it, possibly make RE's dmg allies and heal baddies? pretty explosion no dmg? the RE is designed for traps/AV if you're skilled enough you cn even kill TANKS with RE's... so why shouldn't it kill infantry? better yet, why do you wnt to nerf defensive players? Ares is a calogi and I think I know who he's talking about XD. To be fair Ares, you followed me round that corner, its your own fault XD I'm not pointing this at any one individual. No I'm not a heavy or a logi, I'm a Caldari assault. I think the majority of posters so far use RE. Honesty if I followed you around a corner then good on you, that's how it should be done. Lay a trap and lure some 'fool' to it! :) I have no problem with that. Saying to not stand still is stupid, plain and simple. Ever been in a PC battle fighting multiple opponents and in the chaos a scout dashes by and then BLAM four full health guys are gone! That's just wrong in my opinion, there is not enough time to react or places to go... Hell sometimes they sacrifice themself to take everyone out... Now if on the other hand they had actually planted a RE and you followed them and the group was blown to smitherine, that is just good tactics in my book. I just think its way to easy to abuse the current form of insta drop.
wow... you are stubborn, the REs DO have an activation time and also fail 2/3 times dropping it, unless totally still it fails.
Just use some of you're SP built up from AFKing and try to take out groups of baddies with just REs. you can't? hmm looks like you don't have any skill unlike the "skilless noob" that can get 4 kills with a single RE. |
Alena Ventrallis
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:23:00 -
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Because he is sacrificing all ranged combat in order to run up close enough to lay down a RE, wait 3 seconds for it to arm, then trigger it to kill you. Nova knives get kills easier, and that's saying something. The hit and run tactics are viable, because he is at serious risk to do so. If he's pulling out his RE (which has three seconds between taking them out and being able to lay them, on top of the arming time) dropping it at his feet, and popping you, he earned his kill. |
CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:32:00 -
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i do this on some maps and my knowledge of re has made e smart enought o throw a nape at every skirm objective before hacking..
i remember one time o blew up some nubs res...
i bet he pressed the button and was wondering why he didnt get a kill on me..
and thats when he ran over there to place more re down...and thats when i killed him dead on ha ha ha!...really there nothing wrong with them and thus dont need a nerf...although it would be nice to carry more of them on the field..and be able to lay down several re down at one time...
just enough re to effectively make my own personal mine field!
see how smart they r coming through the front entrance only to see me press a button and watch how high they fly lol... |
KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative..
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Posted - 2013.08.19 00:18:00 -
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Ares 514 wrote:Skipper Jones wrote:Working as intended.
They aren't like BF3 or COD C4s where they can be instantly blown up. You run in, place it down, wait for about 3 seconds then BOOM.
It's not the game's fault that someone is using a viable tactic There is no placing it down currently, there is empty hands as they run past you and then blam your gone. It's a broken mechanic in my opinion. Why cook a grenade when you can run past someone and 'drop' (using this phrase lightly) a RE at their feet and once past blow them up. It should be placed first and then triggered when someone is there, not placed when they are already there!
Grenades are so much more viable for combat than proxies. Trust me. Try Core nades. Only advantage they got is the kill power, which is huge. But still so many downsides, the worst being unreliability. |
Lightning Bolt2
DUST University Ivy League
108
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Posted - 2013.08.19 00:34:00 -
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this is similar to the nerf Nova Knives thread long ago. |
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.20 08:50:00 -
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Ares 514 wrote:
I'm not pointing this at any one individual. No I'm not a heavy or a logi, I'm a Caldari assault. I think the majority of posters so far use RE. Honesty if I followed you around a corner then good on you, that's how it should be done. Lay a trap and lure some 'fool' to it! :) I have no problem with that. Saying to not stand still is stupid, plain and simple. Ever been in a PC battle fighting multiple opponents and in the chaos a scout dashes by and then BLAM four full health guys are gone! That's just wrong in my opinion, there is not enough time to react or places to go... Hell sometimes they sacrifice themself to take everyone out... Now if on the other hand they had actually planted a RE and you followed them and the group was blown to smitherine, that is just good tactics in my book. I just think its way to easy to abuse the current form of insta drop.
This is just silly. When have you ever been in a PC match with a group of teammates and just forgot to shoot the guy charging at you? If your team neglects to shoot him then that's your teams fault. If he's a scout as you suggest even a few stray bullets will kill him let alone focused fire.
If he flanks your group it, he's probably going to mow you and your 3 friends down regardless with nades or shotgun or HMG in the same 3 secs it takes to arm a RE. With nades he could just as easily run off after throwing them.
If you are in a fortified position and have stopped moving watch your flanks. If a scout is able to consistently run in lay a RE then run out while it arms well that's an awesome job or poor play on your part. |
Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.08.20 17:15:00 -
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Galvan Nized wrote:Ares 514 wrote:
I'm not pointing this at any one individual. No I'm not a heavy or a logi, I'm a Caldari assault. I think the majority of posters so far use RE. Honesty if I followed you around a corner then good on you, that's how it should be done. Lay a trap and lure some 'fool' to it! :) I have no problem with that. Saying to not stand still is stupid, plain and simple. Ever been in a PC battle fighting multiple opponents and in the chaos a scout dashes by and then BLAM four full health guys are gone! That's just wrong in my opinion, there is not enough time to react or places to go... Hell sometimes they sacrifice themself to take everyone out... Now if on the other hand they had actually planted a RE and you followed them and the group was blown to smitherine, that is just good tactics in my book. I just think its way to easy to abuse the current form of insta drop.
This is just silly. When have you ever been in a PC match with a group of teammates and just forgot to shoot the guy charging at you? If your team neglects to shoot him then that's your teams fault. If he's a scout as you suggest even a few stray bullets will kill him let alone focused fire. If he flanks your group it, he's probably going to mow you and your 3 friends down regardless with nades or shotgun or HMG in the same 3 secs it takes to arm a RE. With nades he could just as easily run off after throwing them. If you are in a fortified position and have stopped moving watch your flanks. If a scout is able to consistently run in lay a RE then run out while it arms well that's an awesome job or poor play on your part.
My opinion is simple, i'm not going to argue on a case by case bases. In MY OPINION Remote Explosives are not being used as intended. I have put forth an idea for what I think might fix it. It's up to CCP to hopefully chime in and say either:
a) they are working as intended (i'm wrong, it happens, i'd still disagree though), OR b) we did not intend them to be used this way and we are going to change it, OR c) we did not intend them to be used this way but don't care, OR d) they are working as intended |
Ares 514
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.08.20 17:18:00 -
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Galvan Nized wrote:Ares 514 wrote:
I'm not pointing this at any one individual. No I'm not a heavy or a logi, I'm a Caldari assault. I think the majority of posters so far use RE. Honesty if I followed you around a corner then good on you, that's how it should be done. Lay a trap and lure some 'fool' to it! :) I have no problem with that. Saying to not stand still is stupid, plain and simple. Ever been in a PC battle fighting multiple opponents and in the chaos a scout dashes by and then BLAM four full health guys are gone! That's just wrong in my opinion, there is not enough time to react or places to go... Hell sometimes they sacrifice themself to take everyone out... Now if on the other hand they had actually planted a RE and you followed them and the group was blown to smitherine, that is just good tactics in my book. I just think its way to easy to abuse the current form of insta drop.
This is just silly. When have you ever been in a PC match with a group of teammates and just forgot to shoot the guy charging at you? If your team neglects to shoot him then that's your teams fault. If he's a scout as you suggest even a few stray bullets will kill him let alone focused fire. If he flanks your group it, he's probably going to mow you and your 3 friends down regardless with nades or shotgun or HMG in the same 3 secs it takes to arm a RE. With nades he could just as easily run off after throwing them. If you are in a fortified position and have stopped moving watch your flanks. If a scout is able to consistently run in lay a RE then run out while it arms well that's an awesome job or poor play on your part.
Last point, I hate this thought that Scouts are wimps which is what i take from your post and others. I'm sure i'll get some scouts raging at this point, and I wouldn't disagree they could use some love. However, some of the best players i've seen use scouts. We faced at least 6 scouts in Outer.Heaven last night in the tournament and they were anything but push overs. |
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