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Instant Battle Matchmaking

Okay, so another thing you guys are talking about is the Instant Battle feature. It seems like this is going to make DUST 514 more accessible for a person who might want to pick up and play for an hour after work.

Absolutely! I mean, and this is important. At CCP, we are proud of the fact that weGÇÖve built a very complex core game with EVE Online, and yet we realized that you donGÇÖt necessarily find gamers with the same sensibility of loving every nuance of that complexity and needing to learn everything about it in order to just simply jump in and play a first-person shooter.

So, in the end, this is a game that is being built to be a first-person shooter on the console. To be familiar and fun to people who have grown up playing Call of Duty, Halo and Battlefield and things like that. We donGÇÖt need those people to master everything about the EVE universe the first time they pick up that controller.

ItGÇÖs important that, if you are trying to win with that consumer, that consumer is used to being able to put a disc in their console and, in just a few minutes, theyGÇÖre having fun with their controller in a multiplayer battle. So, this is what the Instant Battle matchmaking is designed to start doing.

ItGÇÖs the first of many steps that we are doing to make sure that all of the complexity and all of the awesomeness of the EVE universe doesnGÇÖt become indecipherable to somebody who doesnGÇÖt know anything about it.

And that if all youGÇÖre looking for at the end of the day is a free to play first-person shooter on your console, DUST is going to deliver that for you, no problem. But what youGÇÖre going to experience when you get into that, you get into your Instant Battles, you start meeting more people, you start getting more in-game currency, customizing your characterGÇÖs a bit more...thatGÇÖs when you start to really see how deep the rabbit hole can go. But itGÇÖs really important, you know, if youGÇÖre building a console game for a mass appeal audience, that you donGÇÖt try to feed too much of that to somebody at one time. You need to let them experience it at the right pace, and thatGÇÖs really what Instant Battle matchmaking is about.

ItGÇÖs the start point and much more along those lines to come in future releases.

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Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1863	Posted - 2013.08.16 01:15:00 - [1] - Quote From a recent polygon article. Apparently some fans can get inappropriate.
Billi Gene Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 282	Posted - 2013.08.16 01:20:00 - [2] - Quote spare the rod spoil the child... modern politically correct parenting building a better tomorrow.... which will be full of self entitled brats....yaaay
Heathen Bastard Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 515	Posted - 2013.08.16 01:34:00 - [3] - Quote so basically, wanting a quality product, and calling someone out when they can't deliver is a bad thing now? damn, I must need to be in a support group. my boss tells me to my face that I suck at what I do. I just buck up and do my damned job better because "**** that guy!"
Billi Gene Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 282	Posted - 2013.08.16 01:38:00 - [4] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: so basically, wanting a quality product, and calling someone out when they can't deliver is a bad thing now? damn, I must need to be in a support group. my boss tells me to my face that I suck at what I do. I just buck up and do my damned job better because "**** that guy!" stamping your feet and screaming in public to shame your parents into giving you want you want, even if what you want is bad for you.... that is what is happening... constructive criticism is hardly ever frowned upon...
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1866	Posted - 2013.08.16 01:38:00 - [5] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: so basically, wanting a quality product, and calling someone out when they can't deliver is a bad thing now? damn, I must need to be in a support group. my boss tells me to my face that I suck at what I do. I just buck up and do my damned job better because "**** that guy!" ... they were sending SWAT teams to their houses and threatening the lives of their family.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1726	Posted - 2013.08.16 01:43:00 - [6] - Quote They should suck it up and go the Hideo route and become an insane trolling overlord
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 1491	Posted - 2013.08.16 01:45:00 - [7] - Quote I do not know what is worse: That this is actually an issue and that it spurs support groups or that fans make death threats over patches to devs
Viktor Zokas 187. 224	Posted - 2013.08.16 01:50:00 - [8] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: so basically, wanting a quality product, and calling someone out when they can't deliver is a bad thing now? damn, I must need to be in a support group. my boss tells me to my face that I suck at what I do. I just buck up and do my damned job better because "** that guy!" ... they were sending SWAT teams to their houses and threatening the lives of their family. What's worst is the local police don't think it's worth the time to put those little scumbags in jail where some bigger kid can make him his *. The world is **** up.
Iago Templar SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 16	Posted - 2013.08.16 02:02:00 - [9] - Quote Thats a very well written and interesting article although it does stray very quickly into hyperbole, it has something of the "DOOM CYCLE!!!!" about it making you think the industry is doomed when it grows year on year consistently. BUT it makes a very good point on fans believing they are entitled to an opinion on game creation and such. Frankly screw those people, Game developers are creative individuals and as such should have complete control over their creation and vision. Sometimes a creative has to make unpopular decisions to create something truly brilliant. Feedback should always be welcome but that does not mean it necessarily must be acted upon, final say should stay with the owner of the creative vision. And it certainly should not result in death threats or threats of violence against friends and family, thats just immature and disgusting and I would certainly not want to be involved with anyone that thinks those things are acceptable. Anyways back to melting faces with a LAY ZORR!!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7350	Posted - 2013.08.16 02:19:00 - [10] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: so basically, wanting a quality product, and calling someone out when they can't deliver is a bad thing now? damn, I must need to be in a support group. my boss tells me to my face that I suck at what I do. I just buck up and do my damned job better because "** that guy!" I present to you the ugly of the internet http://gamerfury.tumblr.com/ Warning Link Contains Language of Intense nature. NSFW/M18+** More than enough to make you hang your head in shame really. Patch notes reads similarly to. Reload of one gun was adjusted from 2.0 to 4.0 chambering was increased from 1.0 to 1.1 Damage of 3 guns lowered to match the dps of the other sniper rifles.

Shadow Of-Chaos Club Midnight 6	Posted - 2013.08.16 02:26:00 - [11] - Quote this generation really sucks. they dont understand that they are fortunate. hollywood never asks fans what should the next movie be about, or should your favorite character be killed off. we are lucky that a lot of developers interact with the fan base, discuss upcoming feature, ask our opinions on certain things. if they include some things that fans wanted and thought of, then it feels great, like you built a tiny piece of the game. however if a developer changes something only because fans were threatening them or their families with **** or death... not so cool. and if that does feel good to you, seek professional help please.
ConsiderateSmurf Reckoners 4	Posted - 2013.08.16 02:31:00 - [12] - Quote Yeah, people make me sad. :/
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3599	Posted - 2013.08.16 02:40:00 - [13] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: so basically, wanting a quality product, and calling someone out when they can't deliver is a bad thing now? damn, I must need to be in a support group. my boss tells me to my face that I suck at what I do. I just buck up and do my damned job better because "**** that guy!" You missed the point of the article. It's not about fans trying to ensure a quality product. It's about certain fans acting out in such a bullying way that it hurts companies as a whole to the point where some of them even go out of business.
BARDAS DUST University Ivy League 302	Posted - 2013.08.16 02:48:00 - [14] - Quote Some people are self entitled jackoffs who really are probably within the lower age bracket though some do slip through well into adulthood. Generation "ME" who are born with smartphone and online profile in hand.
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 712	Posted - 2013.08.16 03:21:00 - [15] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: From a recent polygon article. Apparently some fans can get inappropriate. Bullshit and **** you for even suggesting such a thing. Who do you think you are polygon, who do you think you are?!?!
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 712	Posted - 2013.08.16 03:22:00 - [16] - Quote BARDAS wrote: Some people are self entitled jackoffs who really are probably within the lower age bracket though some do slip through well into adulthood. Generation "ME" who are born with smartphone and online profile in hand. EDIT: I'm drunk. Dunno if that made sense. Will check back later lmao... heh it did. just want to know that there are plenty of assholes in every generation. the young just type gooder.
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 108	Posted - 2013.08.16 04:36:00 - [17] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: so basically, wanting a quality product, and calling someone out when they can't deliver is a bad thing now? damn, I must need to be in a support group. my boss tells me to my face that I suck at what I do. I just buck up and do my damned job better because "** that guy!" I present to you the ugly of the internet http://gamerfury.tumblr.com/ Warning Link Contains Language of Intense nature. NSFW/M18+** More than enough to make you hang your head in shame really. Patch notes reads similarly to. Reload of one gun was adjusted from 2.0 to 4.0 chambering was increased from 1.0 to 1.1 Damage of 3 guns lowered to match the dps of the other sniper rifles. What the hell is wrong with 'em? Its just shameful...
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 114	Posted - 2013.08.16 04:49:00 - [18] - Quote so thats why there is no Dust514 on Xbox Live lol xbox live
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1867	Posted - 2013.08.16 04:52:00 - [19] - Quote THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: so thats why there is no Dust514 on Xbox Live lol xbox live Being an ass isn't a Live-specific practice, unfortunately.
Robocop Junior The Surrogates Of War 244	Posted - 2013.08.16 04:58:00 - [20] - Quote One moron actually wrote "I hope I die of testicular cancer" wow lol

THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 114	Posted - 2013.08.16 04:58:00 - [21] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: so thats why there is no Dust514 on Xbox Live lol xbox live Being an ass isn't a Live-specific practice, unfortunately. yes but there is a infestation it seems
Vulcanus Lightbringer Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 91	Posted - 2013.08.16 05:06:00 - [22] - Quote I just don't understand how people can take games so seriously. If I don't like a game, I don't play it and if I don't like a certain change in a patch, at most I shrug.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. League of Infamy 502	Posted - 2013.08.16 05:27:00 - [23] - Quote Agreed. Perhaps some people should simply not be allowed on the internet. As it stands people use the "anonymity" of the web to act in ways that would land them in major doo-doo ( I said doo-doo ) in real life.
Quill Killian Better Hide R Die 245	Posted - 2013.08.16 07:09:00 - [24] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: From a recent polygon article. Apparently some fans can get inappropriate. Thank you for posting the link to that story, Zeylon Rho. I read it from top to bottom and, frankly, it makes me embarrassed to be a gamer. But, then I remember this: Those so-called "gamers" who are making the death threats, the threats of bodily harm to developers and their families ... they're NOT me. And, I suspect, they're NOT the majority of us. I am proud to be a gamer. It's one of the hobbies I pursue outside of work and other real-life responsibilities. The abusive "gamers" noted in that story are not me, they're not you, and we should do our darndest to ensure that "those" gamers never become the majority.
Decasor The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 50	Posted - 2013.08.16 07:45:00 - [25] - Quote Very sad, but not surprising. I quote myself from a post I made 2 days ago: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=102199&find=unread Decasor wrote: The obvious answer to these problems for the average immature 12 year old it seems, is to shoot a blue. Some factions and servers this is more prevalent on, sadly the Australian Server 'Vanu' faction known as 'TROL' are probably the worst, however its a big problem. You may say 'but thats PS2'. Well no its not. This is a internet problem. As much as I sometimes enjoy playing computer games, its difficult to avoid the fact they attract a rather large number of mongoloids who have no useful place in society, and furthermore, even relatively normal people are given the opportunity to act badly, and enjoy it. .[/i] After a long session of online gaming I sometimes reflect on how there is a real, healthy world out there that I don't have to mix with idiots like this if I don't want to. Have to say the vast majority of people here are fine, but the ones that aren't, are not much fun to deal with. I feel sorry for the devs, their employment basically depends on these people.
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion 1190	Posted - 2013.08.16 08:02:00 - [26] - Quote It's difficult to have close ties between developers and the consumer. If they become too friendly with us, how are they going to make objective decisions? Becomes a balancing act between keeping the community in the 'loop', but keeping them at arm's length so that our opinions don't start affecting theirs. What we say should be used as a springboard, in the context of what CCP wants for the game. For example, if people are asking for respecs, and CCP doesn't want to give out respecs, then the developers should realise the SP system is flawed. Also, if people are asking for a weapon like the MD to be nerfed, and CCP don't want to whip out the nerf hammer, then they should realise explosive weapons are too effective in current maps, and there needs to be more vertical combat, less chokepoints and perhaps modules/equipment to nullify explosive damage. I think we're entitled to disapprove of their actions, but we have no right to make it personal. We can freely discuss it, sure, but to call them out and make it seem as if it is CCP's fault entirely? I think we should take a step back from that.
KGB Sleep Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 52	Posted - 2013.08.16 08:36:00 - [27] - Quote the peeps on these forums are too dumb to realize you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. we should be propelling CCP on a wave of playerbase love. It seems that a lot these kids were raised on vitriol and big macs. Every time i log in i see the forums have been bukkaked with stupid.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1871	Posted - 2013.08.16 09:31:00 - [28] - Quote I don't think the player-base of Dust is threatening CCP devs (or at least, I haven't heard of it), but the environment does get toxic from time to time. I think it's important to realize that we are not children and CCP are not robots/servants. We're capable of handling complex decisions as a playerbase, and processing them. The fact that some portion of the playerbase does not process information well shouldn't have any greater bearing on what information we're given (and how quickly). On the other hand, we should be able to deliver criticism in a mature fashion as well. Feedback posts like this one are well-organized and thoughtful (posts by Cross Atu, Arkena, and others are also really great). Whereas I don't think it's necessary to point out that more trolling and occasionally very vitriolic posts get made. I think the article touches on two points: Players are often more active in organizing and objecting to anti-consumer practices, and they take the role they're sometimes given as integrated into the development process very seriously. It's hard to imagine people getting bent out of shape while involved in the development of the NES game A Boy and His Blob, but I guess many games today have people more invested in the lore and more invested with respect to money and time. Oftentimes, player gripes are legitimate as well (take the backlash against the zombie game on Steam or always-on functionality that actually did nothing in Simcity). Second, players can take their issues with games much too far, and threaten the lives and day-to-day functioning of developers. No one deserves a death threat over a balance change. I think it goes further than that though, and just generally harrassing people day in and day out makes it so players can make developers miserable. There's something to be said for morale at a job, and criticism you might think of as "corrective" in some way might just amount to hate and noise on their end. I think the latter is more likely to be an issue with Dust than threats.
TEBOW BAGGINS Rebel Raiders Inc. 878	Posted - 2013.08.16 09:43:00 - [29] - Quote u gotta be st8 GANGSTA and make da game beeeeyotch!!!
Allah's Snackbar Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 508	Posted - 2013.08.16 09:45:00 - [30] - Quote Quote: Instant Battle Matchmaking Okay, so another thing you guys are talking about is the Instant Battle feature. It seems like this is going to make DUST 514 more accessible for a person who might want to pick up and play for an hour after work. Absolutely! I mean, and this is important. At CCP, we are proud of the fact that weGÇÖve built a very complex core game with EVE Online, and yet we realized that you donGÇÖt necessarily find gamers with the same sensibility of loving every nuance of that complexity and needing to learn everything about it in order to just simply jump in and play a first-person shooter. So, in the end, this is a game that is being built to be a first-person shooter on the console. To be familiar and fun to people who have grown up playing Call of Duty, Halo and Battlefield and things like that. We donGÇÖt need those people to master everything about the EVE universe the first time they pick up that controller. ItGÇÖs important that, if you are trying to win with that consumer, that consumer is used to being able to put a disc in their console and, in just a few minutes, theyGÇÖre having fun with their controller in a multiplayer battle. So, this is what the Instant Battle matchmaking is designed to start doing. ItGÇÖs the first of many steps that we are doing to make sure that all of the complexity and all of the awesomeness of the EVE universe doesnGÇÖt become indecipherable to somebody who doesnGÇÖt know anything about it. And that if all youGÇÖre looking for at the end of the day is a free to play first-person shooter on your console, DUST is going to deliver that for you, no problem. But what youGÇÖre going to experience when you get into that, you get into your Instant Battles, you start meeting more people, you start getting more in-game currency, customizing your characterGÇÖs a bit more...thatGÇÖs when you start to really see how deep the rabbit hole can go. But itGÇÖs really important, you know, if youGÇÖre building a console game for a mass appeal audience, that you donGÇÖt try to feed too much of that to somebody at one time. You need to let them experience it at the right pace, and thatGÇÖs really what Instant Battle matchmaking is about. ItGÇÖs the start point and much more along those lines to come in future releases.



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