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Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.08.16 01:15:00 -
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From a recent polygon article.
Apparently some fans can get inappropriate. |
Billi Gene
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
282
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Posted - 2013.08.16 01:20:00 -
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spare the rod spoil the child... modern politically correct parenting building a better tomorrow.... which will be full of self entitled brats....yaaay |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
515
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Posted - 2013.08.16 01:34:00 -
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so basically, wanting a quality product, and calling someone out when they can't deliver is a bad thing now?
damn, I must need to be in a support group. my boss tells me to my face that I suck at what I do. I just buck up and do my damned job better because "**** that guy!" |
Billi Gene
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
282
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Posted - 2013.08.16 01:38:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:so basically, wanting a quality product, and calling someone out when they can't deliver is a bad thing now?
damn, I must need to be in a support group. my boss tells me to my face that I suck at what I do. I just buck up and do my damned job better because "**** that guy!"
stamping your feet and screaming in public to shame your parents into giving you want you want, even if what you want is bad for you.... that is what is happening...
constructive criticism is hardly ever frowned upon... |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1866
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Posted - 2013.08.16 01:38:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:so basically, wanting a quality product, and calling someone out when they can't deliver is a bad thing now?
damn, I must need to be in a support group. my boss tells me to my face that I suck at what I do. I just buck up and do my damned job better because "**** that guy!"
... they were sending SWAT teams to their houses and threatening the lives of their family. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1726
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Posted - 2013.08.16 01:43:00 -
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They should suck it up and go the Hideo route and become an insane trolling overlord |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
1491
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Posted - 2013.08.16 01:45:00 -
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I do not know what is worse: That this is actually an issue and that it spurs support groups or that fans make death threats over patches to devs
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Viktor Zokas
187.
224
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Posted - 2013.08.16 01:50:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:so basically, wanting a quality product, and calling someone out when they can't deliver is a bad thing now?
damn, I must need to be in a support group. my boss tells me to my face that I suck at what I do. I just buck up and do my damned job better because "**** that guy!" ... they were sending SWAT teams to their houses and threatening the lives of their family.
What's worst is the local police don't think it's worth the time to put those little scumbags in jail where some bigger kid can make him his *****. The world is ****** up. |
Iago Templar
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
16
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Posted - 2013.08.16 02:02:00 -
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Thats a very well written and interesting article although it does stray very quickly into hyperbole, it has something of the "DOOM CYCLE!!!!" about it making you think the industry is doomed when it grows year on year consistently.
BUT it makes a very good point on fans believing they are entitled to an opinion on game creation and such. Frankly screw those people, Game developers are creative individuals and as such should have complete control over their creation and vision. Sometimes a creative has to make unpopular decisions to create something truly brilliant.
Feedback should always be welcome but that does not mean it necessarily must be acted upon, final say should stay with the owner of the creative vision.
And it certainly should not result in death threats or threats of violence against friends and family, thats just immature and disgusting and I would certainly not want to be involved with anyone that thinks those things are acceptable.
Anyways back to melting faces with a LAY ZORR!! |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7350
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Posted - 2013.08.16 02:19:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:so basically, wanting a quality product, and calling someone out when they can't deliver is a bad thing now?
damn, I must need to be in a support group. my boss tells me to my face that I suck at what I do. I just buck up and do my damned job better because "**** that guy!"
I present to you the ugly of the internet
http://gamerfury.tumblr.com/ Warning Link Contains Language of Intense nature. NSFW/M18+
More than enough to make you hang your head in shame really.
Patch notes reads similarly to. Reload of one gun was adjusted from 2.0 to 4.0 chambering was increased from 1.0 to 1.1
Damage of 3 guns lowered to match the dps of the other sniper rifles. |
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Shadow Of-Chaos
Club Midnight
6
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Posted - 2013.08.16 02:26:00 -
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this generation really sucks. they dont understand that they are fortunate. hollywood never asks fans what should the next movie be about, or should your favorite character be killed off. we are lucky that a lot of developers interact with the fan base, discuss upcoming feature, ask our opinions on certain things. if they include some things that fans wanted and thought of, then it feels great, like you built a tiny piece of the game. however if a developer changes something only because fans were threatening them or their families with **** or death... not so cool. and if that does feel good to you, seek professional help please. |
ConsiderateSmurf
Reckoners
4
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Posted - 2013.08.16 02:31:00 -
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Yeah, people make me sad. :/ |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3599
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Posted - 2013.08.16 02:40:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:so basically, wanting a quality product, and calling someone out when they can't deliver is a bad thing now?
damn, I must need to be in a support group. my boss tells me to my face that I suck at what I do. I just buck up and do my damned job better because "**** that guy!"
You missed the point of the article. It's not about fans trying to ensure a quality product. It's about certain fans acting out in such a bullying way that it hurts companies as a whole to the point where some of them even go out of business. |
BARDAS
DUST University Ivy League
302
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Posted - 2013.08.16 02:48:00 -
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Some people are self entitled jackoffs who really are probably within the lower age bracket though some do slip through well into adulthood. Generation "ME" who are born with smartphone and online profile in hand. |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star. EoN.
712
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Posted - 2013.08.16 03:21:00 -
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Bullshit and **** you for even suggesting such a thing. Who do you think you are polygon, who do you think you are?!?! |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star. EoN.
712
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Posted - 2013.08.16 03:22:00 -
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BARDAS wrote:Some people are self entitled jackoffs who really are probably within the lower age bracket though some do slip through well into adulthood. Generation "ME" who are born with smartphone and online profile in hand.
EDIT: I'm drunk. Dunno if that made sense. Will check back later lmao... heh it did. just want to know that there are plenty of assholes in every generation. the young just type gooder. |
Shattered Mirage
D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
108
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Posted - 2013.08.16 04:36:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:so basically, wanting a quality product, and calling someone out when they can't deliver is a bad thing now?
damn, I must need to be in a support group. my boss tells me to my face that I suck at what I do. I just buck up and do my damned job better because "**** that guy!" I present to you the ugly of the internet http://gamerfury.tumblr.com/Warning Link Contains Language of Intense nature. NSFW/M18+ More than enough to make you hang your head in shame really. Patch notes reads similarly to. Reload of one gun was adjusted from 2.0 to 4.0 chambering was increased from 1.0 to 1.1 Damage of 3 guns lowered to match the dps of the other sniper rifles.
What the hell is wrong with 'em?
Its just shameful... |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
114
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Posted - 2013.08.16 04:49:00 -
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so thats why there is no Dust514 on Xbox Live lol xbox live
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Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1867
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Posted - 2013.08.16 04:52:00 -
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THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:so thats why there is no Dust514 on Xbox Live lol xbox live
Being an ass isn't a Live-specific practice, unfortunately. |
Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
244
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Posted - 2013.08.16 04:58:00 -
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One moron actually wrote "I hope I die of testicular cancer" wow lol |
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THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
114
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Posted - 2013.08.16 04:58:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:so thats why there is no Dust514 on Xbox Live lol xbox live Being an ass isn't a Live-specific practice, unfortunately.
yes but there is a infestation it seems
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Vulcanus Lightbringer
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
91
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Posted - 2013.08.16 05:06:00 -
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I just don't understand how people can take games so seriously. If I don't like a game, I don't play it and if I don't like a certain change in a patch, at most I shrug. |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
502
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Posted - 2013.08.16 05:27:00 -
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Agreed. Perhaps some people should simply not be allowed on the internet. As it stands people use the "anonymity" of the web to act in ways that would land them in major doo-doo ( I said doo-doo ) in real life. |
Quill Killian
Better Hide R Die
245
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Posted - 2013.08.16 07:09:00 -
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Thank you for posting the link to that story, Zeylon Rho. I read it from top to bottom and, frankly, it makes me embarrassed to be a gamer.
But, then I remember this: Those so-called "gamers" who are making the death threats, the threats of bodily harm to developers and their families ... they're NOT me. And, I suspect, they're NOT the majority of us.
I am proud to be a gamer. It's one of the hobbies I pursue outside of work and other real-life responsibilities. The abusive "gamers" noted in that story are not me, they're not you, and we should do our darndest to ensure that "those" gamers never become the majority. |
Decasor
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
50
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Posted - 2013.08.16 07:45:00 -
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Very sad, but not surprising. I quote myself from a post I made 2 days ago:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=102199&find=unread
Decasor wrote: The obvious answer to these problems for the average immature 12 year old it seems, is to shoot a blue. Some factions and servers this is more prevalent on, sadly the Australian Server 'Vanu' faction known as 'TROL' are probably the worst, however its a big problem. You may say 'but thats PS2'. Well no its not. This is a internet problem.
As much as I sometimes enjoy playing computer games, its difficult to avoid the fact they attract a rather large number of mongoloids who have no useful place in society, and furthermore, even relatively normal people are given the opportunity to act badly, and enjoy it. .[/i]
After a long session of online gaming I sometimes reflect on how there is a real, healthy world out there that I don't have to mix with idiots like this if I don't want to.
Have to say the vast majority of people here are fine, but the ones that aren't, are not much fun to deal with. I feel sorry for the devs, their employment basically depends on these people. |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion
1190
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Posted - 2013.08.16 08:02:00 -
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It's difficult to have close ties between developers and the consumer.
If they become too friendly with us, how are they going to make objective decisions?
Becomes a balancing act between keeping the community in the 'loop', but keeping them at arm's length so that our opinions don't start affecting theirs.
What we say should be used as a springboard, in the context of what CCP wants for the game.
For example, if people are asking for respecs, and CCP doesn't want to give out respecs, then the developers should realise the SP system is flawed.
Also, if people are asking for a weapon like the MD to be nerfed, and CCP don't want to whip out the nerf hammer, then they should realise explosive weapons are too effective in current maps, and there needs to be more vertical combat, less chokepoints and perhaps modules/equipment to nullify explosive damage.
I think we're entitled to disapprove of their actions, but we have no right to make it personal. We can freely discuss it, sure, but to call them out and make it seem as if it is CCP's fault entirely? I think we should take a step back from that. |
KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2013.08.16 08:36:00 -
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the peeps on these forums are too dumb to realize you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. we should be propelling CCP on a wave of playerbase love.
It seems that a lot these kids were raised on vitriol and big macs. Every time i log in i see the forums have been bukkaked with stupid. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1871
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Posted - 2013.08.16 09:31:00 -
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I don't think the player-base of Dust is threatening CCP devs (or at least, I haven't heard of it), but the environment does get toxic from time to time. I think it's important to realize that we are not children and CCP are not robots/servants.
We're capable of handling complex decisions as a playerbase, and processing them. The fact that some portion of the playerbase does not process information well shouldn't have any greater bearing on what information we're given (and how quickly). On the other hand, we should be able to deliver criticism in a mature fashion as well.
Feedback posts like this one are well-organized and thoughtful (posts by Cross Atu, Arkena, and others are also really great). Whereas I don't think it's necessary to point out that more trolling and occasionally very vitriolic posts get made.
I think the article touches on two points:
Players are often more active in organizing and objecting to anti-consumer practices, and they take the role they're sometimes given as integrated into the development process very seriously. It's hard to imagine people getting bent out of shape while involved in the development of the NES game A Boy and His Blob, but I guess many games today have people more invested in the lore and more invested with respect to money and time. Oftentimes, player gripes are legitimate as well (take the backlash against the zombie game on Steam or always-on functionality that actually did nothing in Simcity).
Second, players can take their issues with games much too far, and threaten the lives and day-to-day functioning of developers. No one deserves a death threat over a balance change. I think it goes further than that though, and just generally harrassing people day in and day out makes it so players can make developers miserable. There's something to be said for morale at a job, and criticism you might think of as "corrective" in some way might just amount to hate and noise on their end. I think the latter is more likely to be an issue with Dust than threats.
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TEBOW BAGGINS
Rebel Raiders Inc.
878
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Posted - 2013.08.16 09:43:00 -
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u gotta be st8 GANGSTA and make da game beeeeyotch!!! |
Allah's Snackbar
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
508
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Posted - 2013.08.16 09:45:00 -
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Quote:Instant Battle Matchmaking
Okay, so another thing you guys are talking about is the Instant Battle feature. It seems like this is going to make DUST 514 more accessible for a person who might want to pick up and play for an hour after work.
Absolutely! I mean, and this is important. At CCP, we are proud of the fact that weGÇÖve built a very complex core game with EVE Online, and yet we realized that you donGÇÖt necessarily find gamers with the same sensibility of loving every nuance of that complexity and needing to learn everything about it in order to just simply jump in and play a first-person shooter.
So, in the end, this is a game that is being built to be a first-person shooter on the console. To be familiar and fun to people who have grown up playing Call of Duty, Halo and Battlefield and things like that. We donGÇÖt need those people to master everything about the EVE universe the first time they pick up that controller.
ItGÇÖs important that, if you are trying to win with that consumer, that consumer is used to being able to put a disc in their console and, in just a few minutes, theyGÇÖre having fun with their controller in a multiplayer battle. So, this is what the Instant Battle matchmaking is designed to start doing.
ItGÇÖs the first of many steps that we are doing to make sure that all of the complexity and all of the awesomeness of the EVE universe doesnGÇÖt become indecipherable to somebody who doesnGÇÖt know anything about it.
And that if all youGÇÖre looking for at the end of the day is a free to play first-person shooter on your console, DUST is going to deliver that for you, no problem. But what youGÇÖre going to experience when you get into that, you get into your Instant Battles, you start meeting more people, you start getting more in-game currency, customizing your characterGÇÖs a bit more...thatGÇÖs when you start to really see how deep the rabbit hole can go. But itGÇÖs really important, you know, if youGÇÖre building a console game for a mass appeal audience, that you donGÇÖt try to feed too much of that to somebody at one time. You need to let them experience it at the right pace, and thatGÇÖs really what Instant Battle matchmaking is about.
ItGÇÖs the start point and much more along those lines to come in future releases. |
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steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1098
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Posted - 2013.08.16 10:56:00 -
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I'm one of the few people that supports having to use ur real name online. The internet communtys used to be small enough that an Andy was just a funny thing everybody new u anyway. The worst thing we ever did was make the internet easy to use. Their are to many bad apples vs the good ones these days |
KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2013.08.16 11:07:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:I'm one of the few people that supports having to use ur real name online. The internet communtys used to be small enough that an Andy was just a funny thing everybody new u anyway. The worst thing we ever did was make the internet easy to use. Their are to many bad apples vs the good ones these days
The beauty if the internet is the anonymity. The truth comes out when there is no accountability and it should be every human beings purpose to seek truth, for it's own sake.
Real names are for the real world. In the real world you will shut your mouth before you speak your true mind. Tell me, how many times have you held your tongue?
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
340
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Posted - 2013.08.16 11:16:00 -
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Viktor Zokas wrote:Zeylon Rho wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:so basically, wanting a quality product, and calling someone out when they can't deliver is a bad thing now?
damn, I must need to be in a support group. my boss tells me to my face that I suck at what I do. I just buck up and do my damned job better because "**** that guy!" ... they were sending SWAT teams to their houses and threatening the lives of their family. What's worst is the local police don't think it's worth the time to put those little scumbags in jail where some bigger kid can make him his *****. The world is ****** up. They cant put them in prison. This stupid country we love some much doesn't give our police and service men the power they need to put these people behind bars. Blame this freaking country not the police! |
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
505
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Posted - 2013.08.16 11:20:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:I'm one of the few people that supports having to use ur real name online. The internet communtys used to be small enough that an Andy was just a funny thing everybody new u anyway. The worst thing we ever did was make the internet easy to use. Their are to many bad apples vs the good ones these days
Sad but true.
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
340
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Posted - 2013.08.16 11:21:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:so basically, wanting a quality product, and calling someone out when they can't deliver is a bad thing now?
damn, I must need to be in a support group. my boss tells me to my face that I suck at what I do. I just buck up and do my damned job better because "**** that guy!" I present to you the ugly of the internet http://gamerfury.tumblr.com/Warning Link Contains Language of Intense nature. NSFW/M18+ More than enough to make you hang your head in shame really. Patch notes reads similarly to. Reload of one gun was adjusted from 2.0 to 4.0 chambering was increased from 1.0 to 1.1 Damage of 3 guns lowered to match the dps of the other sniper rifles. This is just depressing. Why are these people even allowed to touch or even look at video games? |
KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2013.08.16 11:56:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:I'm one of the few people that supports having to use ur real name online. The internet communtys used to be small enough that an Andy was just a funny thing everybody new u anyway. The worst thing we ever did was make the internet easy to use. Their are to many bad apples vs the good ones these days Sad but true. KGB Sleep wrote: The beauty if the internet is the anonymity. The truth comes out when there is no accountability and it should be every human beings purpose to seek truth, for it's own sake.
Real names are for the real world. In the real world you will shut your mouth before you speak your true mind. Tell me, how many times have you held your tongue?
1) The anonymity is a total illusion since it is stupidly easy to find out who someone is on the web, often because of their own foolishness. 2) Anyone who has the guts to tell the truth to someone face to face deserves respect, especially if they do it in a way that is constructive and respectfull. What we see on the internet is neither of these things. People have replaced the idea of clear, constructive, and respectful dialogue with the idea that they can say anything they want because they are "telling it like it is," which is total bs most of the time. The small percent of the time that people are giving genuine feedback they are drowned out by the more extreme and disrespectful among us or their own negatively tinged delivery. If you want to hide behind a mask and say that your truth is as good as one that isn't given from behind the blinds fine, but just know that you are deluding yourself as to the power of your words. Speak the truth but don't do it in a way that you'd be afraid to show ownership of. You can do it on the web, you can do it in real life. /drops mic and walks off stage ?
4chan's moot actually puts it best when he says that the world needs a place to fail, and fail safely. I agree that threats are cowardice and if you are going to make threats you should show yourself +1. But to make change, in a positive way, anonymity can be a removal of bias. Anonymity can be that thing that frees a thought. Sometimes a revolutionary thought can't have a face and that adds to its power.
Do not think for a second that everything you do is anonymous. But for you to assume that real names are a good thing is idiotic. Look at the world today. People are killed for their opinions sometimes. Without anonymity these thoughts can't rise to the surface. Would you like to know more? Or less.
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
506
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Posted - 2013.08.16 12:03:00 -
[37] - Quote
KGB Sleep wrote:
4chan's moot actually puts it best when he says that the world needs a place to fail, and fail safely. I agree that threats are cowardice and if you are going to make threats you should show yourself +1. But to make change, in a positive way, anonymity can be a removal of bias. Anonymity can be that thing that frees a thought. Sometimes a revolutionary thought can't have a face and that adds to its power.
Do not think for a second that everything you do is anonymous. But for you to assume that real names are a good thing is idiotic. Look at the world today. People are killed for their opinions sometimes. Without anonymity these thoughts can't rise to the surface. Would you like to know more? Or less.
Name one revolution started by a person with no name? Names have power. Yes, they have consequences, but in those consequences lay their might. Without a face an idea has no meaning. |
KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2013.08.16 12:13:00 -
[38] - Quote
Mobius Kaethis wrote:KGB Sleep wrote:
4chan's moot actually puts it best when he says that the world needs a place to fail, and fail safely. I agree that threats are cowardice and if you are going to make threats you should show yourself +1. But to make change, in a positive way, anonymity can be a removal of bias. Anonymity can be that thing that frees a thought. Sometimes a revolutionary thought can't have a face and that adds to its power.
Do not think for a second that everything you do is anonymous. But for you to assume that real names are a good thing is idiotic. Look at the world today. People are killed for their opinions sometimes. Without anonymity these thoughts can't rise to the surface. Would you like to know more? Or less.
Name one revolution started by a person with no name? Names have power. Yes, they have consequences, but in those consequences lie their might. Without a face an idea has no meaning.
It eventually comes to light if it is big but i'll drop Bradley Manning as an answer. Also the countless whistleblowers in cases you have never heard of. What about "Anonymous" tips that solve crimes?
To put someone completely in the light inhibits true speech. Things become "PC" and people get scared. Whether you think it is honorable or not is irrelevant because the thoughts in the back of people's minds need to be spoken otherwise the majority will dictate without a true consensus. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
118
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Posted - 2013.08.16 12:29:00 -
[39] - Quote
I read that article and then saw the whole part about Xbox players doing that and I thought, nah we ps3 players are way to nice :p......and then I go t the main page In General discussion and all I see is "CCP make a better game" "MD514" "Dust 514 is broken". I'm Like really guys, they are working on stuff, we just don't know what.
CCP ignore all the trolling threads and just know that the majority of people in this thread will leave you alone (this is a good thread) |
Aran Abbas
Goonfeet Top Men.
225
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Posted - 2013.08.16 12:38:00 -
[40] - Quote
I'm willing to offer my counselling services to the Dust devs. Come sit on my knee, tell me your troubles. |
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Lorhak Gannarsein
DUST University Ivy League
159
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Posted - 2013.08.16 12:40:00 -
[41] - Quote
KGB Sleep wrote:Mobius Kaethis wrote:KGB Sleep wrote:
4chan's moot actually puts it best when he says that the world needs a place to fail, and fail safely. I agree that threats are cowardice and if you are going to make threats you should show yourself +1. But to make change, in a positive way, anonymity can be a removal of bias. Anonymity can be that thing that frees a thought. Sometimes a revolutionary thought can't have a face and that adds to its power.
Do not think for a second that everything you do is anonymous. But for you to assume that real names are a good thing is idiotic. Look at the world today. People are killed for their opinions sometimes. Without anonymity these thoughts can't rise to the surface. Would you like to know more? Or less.
Name one revolution started by a person with no name? Names have power. Yes, they have consequences, but in those consequences lie their might. Without a face an idea has no meaning. It eventually comes to light if it is big but i'll drop Bradley Manning as an answer. Also the countless whistleblowers in cases you have never heard of. What about "Anonymous" tips that solve crimes? To put someone completely in the light inhibits true speech. Things become "PC" and people get scared. Whether you think it is honorable or not is irrelevant because the thoughts in the back of people's minds need to be spoken otherwise the majority will dictate without a true consensus.
Bradley Manning, huh? So much for anonymity.
Second, he's made a public statement regretting his actions. Find a better example.
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RoundEy3
Metal Mind Industries
315
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Posted - 2013.08.16 13:23:00 -
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To all of the woes for humanity all of us sensible people have one bit hope, one saving grace to look upon for what seems like an endless assault of mindless youth and degradation is upon us.
Someday... Yes someday there will be far too many useless, incapable, entitled, web enabled dim wits to fit into a planet with finite space and resources. There is a grand balance of things that can only tilt in one way for so long.
So until that time, let us, those who have seen what it is like to live life with out being connected to any internet or wireless signals, those who have appreciated the appearance of such luxuries, be glad that we will not be so selfish and blind to the amazing creations and opportunities made from the discoveries of those who came before us.
This is my random semi-inspiring internet speech for the day. Just for the record I don't wish for the apocalypse, just less useless, increasingly ignorant, and selfish life forms.
Cheers
EDIT: Ever seen the movie Idiocracy? I'm convinced that will be the norm someday. |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.08.16 15:28:00 -
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KGB Sleep wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:I'm one of the few people that supports having to use ur real name online. The internet communtys used to be small enough that an Andy was just a funny thing everybody new u anyway. The worst thing we ever did was make the internet easy to use. Their are to many bad apples vs the good ones these days The beauty if the internet is the anonymity. The truth comes out when there is no accountability and it should be every human beings purpose to seek truth, for it's own sake. Real names are for the real world. In the real world you will shut your mouth before you speak your true mind. Tell me, how many times have you held your tongue?
Bullshit. The internet is so full of crap now I don't believe anything on it. That anonymity is a direct cause of the madhouse the Iinternet is. And to your second point none and I can happly say that I'm well known for speaking my mind.
No accountabley leads to none giving a shirt and open to abuse just long a 4chan or that poor girl who was killed her self over trolls.
Fuckit just look at Twitter.
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Takahiro Kashuken
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Posted - 2013.08.16 15:44:00 -
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Meh
Turn off twitter or dont have an account in the 1st place or just ignore the comments and laugh while the world burns
Being anon helps you seperate you from an online you but then again having real names mean **** all tbh, for example you can be against gays being married or women get high profile jobs for being a women (not on merit) and you get ******* crucified and called sexism and homophobic by ppl with real names and it doesnt stop them |
steadyhand amarr
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.08.16 15:50:00 -
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Just for the sake of argument. Why on either should u separate the real u and the "online" you both have very real world consequences. A girl killed herself becausee of this mentality thr online u will get caught and found. It scares me that people don't think doing stuff on the internet does not have very real consequences. Last thing I'm going to say on this topic it's pissing me off to much |
martinofski
Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.16 16:45:00 -
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Yep the internet, where people, under their "anonymity", feel free to says anything to people while being not scared of the consequences.
I look at this forum everyday, and men I am happy CCP is blocking and deleting posts. We aren't too far from the link Ironwolf actually shared...Not sure all the QQ and trolling over QQ really help in anything. Good post just follow down the toilet drain with all the bad post going on. |
Kaze Eyrou
Turalyon 514
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Posted - 2013.08.16 19:29:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Just for the sake of argument. Why on either should u separate the real u and the "online" you both have very real world consequences. A girl killed herself becausee of this mentality thr online u will get caught and found. It scares me that people don't think doing stuff on the internet does not have very real consequences. Last thing I'm going to say on this topic it's pissing me off to much Ah shoot, I guess I missed you...
Anyways, anonymity is important in some cases though steadyhand. How about the investigators or undercover agents who know there are people who are up to no good and want to stop them?
Another example I remember VERY well is from World of Warcraft. Blizzard decided it would be a good idea to make your real name appear on the forums. One member decided to post his real name just to demonstrate why it's a bad idea.
30 minutes later, it was edited because someone had found him and called him at his work. Thankfully the guy was a white or grey hat because he simply asked if the infomation he had found on the guy was all correct (full name, SSN, street address, spouse, children's names, schools, phone numbers, etc.). Of course, I think this guy knew the power of many of these hackers and was REALLY lucky to have been found by someone of a moral mindset.
Make no mistake however, I do agree with you: there are some cases where anonymity should be revoked.
Wait. Anonymous? Girl killing herself?
One sec...
http://www.dailydot.com/news/anonymous-kylie-suicide-trolls-bully/
Those afraid to open the link, it's actually an uplifting story. Anons actually decided the lulz would stop here and completely and utterly exposed the girl's attackers.
Back on topic, steadyhand, I believe you and I as well as many on here would agree with this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOIZXxB1nlI
^ Extra Credits, Season 6, Episode 11 - Toxicity
As for what you said martinofski, I've done my share of trolling, admittedly, in response to many weak trolls and rancid whining and moaning. And just like you said: Not sure all the it really helps anything.
So I'm going to be part of the solution instead of the problem: gotta stop the retaliation and just simply block those who are vitriolic. |
Mamertine Son
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Posted - 2013.08.16 20:03:00 -
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Kaze Eyrou wrote:Make no mistake however, I do agree with you: there are some cases where anonymity should be revoked. Wait. Anonymous? Girl killing herself? One sec... http://www.dailydot.com/news/anonymous-kylie-suicide-trolls-bully/Those afraid to open the link, it's actually an uplifting story. Anons actually decided the lulz would stop here and completely and utterly exposed the girl's attackers.
That was awesome, Super Plus One
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Billi Gene
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.08.16 21:15:00 -
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KGB Sleep wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:I'm one of the few people that supports having to use ur real name online. The internet communtys used to be small enough that an Andy was just a funny thing everybody new u anyway. The worst thing we ever did was make the internet easy to use. Their are to many bad apples vs the good ones these days The beauty if the internet is the anonymity. The truth comes out when there is no accountability and it should be every human beings purpose to seek truth, for it's own sake. Real names are for the real world. In the real world you will shut your mouth before you speak your true mind. Tell me, how many times have you held your tongue?
make no mistakes, to get your DUST account you were supposed to give your real name, in any case Sony has acess to enough information about you to press charges should they need to. That doing so would be bad for business at this time, is not lost on Sony.
Anonymity or at least the illusion of it, seems to be part of the draw for alot of internet abuse. The fact that it is an illusion and that many trolls have been traced and tracked and publicly shamed, seems lost on the few who base their emotional well being on the stability of their online persona.
Parents might argue for protections for their children, and yet the best protection is to not allow children outside of safe networks. Much of the worst behavior I have seen has been perpetrated by the disempowered youth, because 8-14 is a time of awakening and the exploration of self and others.
Treat others as you would have them treat you! Such is the basis for honor on the battlefield Strangers are people And on the net we are all strangers. So whilst you should never trust entirely, Treat others as you would have them treat you.... |
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