DUST Search - Gamers harrassing developers erodes industry, leads to support groups.

Mobius Kaethis wrote:

steadyhand amarr wrote:

I'm one of the few people that supports having to use ur real name online. The internet communtys used to be small enough that an Andy was just a funny thing everybody new u anyway. The worst thing we ever did was make the internet easy to use. Their are to many bad apples vs the good ones these days

Sad but true.

KGB Sleep wrote:

The beauty if the internet is the anonymity. The truth comes out when there is no accountability and it should be every human beings purpose to seek truth, for it's own sake.

Real names are for the real world. In the real world you will shut your mouth before you speak your true mind. Tell me, how many times have you held your tongue?

1) The anonymity is a total illusion since it is stupidly easy to find out who someone is on the web, often because of their own foolishness.

2) Anyone who has the guts to tell the truth to someone face to face deserves respect, especially if they do it in a way that is constructive and respectfull. What we see on the internet is neither of these things. People have replaced the idea of clear, constructive, and respectful dialogue with the idea that they can say anything they want because they are "telling it like it is," which is total bs most of the time. The small percent of the time that people are giving genuine feedback they are drowned out by the more extreme and disrespectful among us or their own negatively tinged delivery.

If you want to hide behind a mask and say that your truth is as good as one that isn't given from behind the blinds fine, but just know that you are deluding yourself as to the power of your words.

Speak the truth but don't do it in a way that you'd be afraid to show ownership of. You can do it on the web, you can do it in real life.

/drops mic and walks off stage

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steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1098	Posted - 2013.08.16 10:56:00 - [31] - Quote I'm one of the few people that supports having to use ur real name online. The internet communtys used to be small enough that an Andy was just a funny thing everybody new u anyway. The worst thing we ever did was make the internet easy to use. Their are to many bad apples vs the good ones these days
KGB Sleep Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 52	Posted - 2013.08.16 11:07:00 - [32] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: I'm one of the few people that supports having to use ur real name online. The internet communtys used to be small enough that an Andy was just a funny thing everybody new u anyway. The worst thing we ever did was make the internet easy to use. Their are to many bad apples vs the good ones these days The beauty if the internet is the anonymity. The truth comes out when there is no accountability and it should be every human beings purpose to seek truth, for it's own sake. Real names are for the real world. In the real world you will shut your mouth before you speak your true mind. Tell me, how many times have you held your tongue?
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 340	Posted - 2013.08.16 11:16:00 - [33] - Quote Viktor Zokas wrote: Zeylon Rho wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: so basically, wanting a quality product, and calling someone out when they can't deliver is a bad thing now? damn, I must need to be in a support group. my boss tells me to my face that I suck at what I do. I just buck up and do my damned job better because "** that guy!" ... they were sending SWAT teams to their houses and threatening the lives of their family. What's worst is the local police don't think it's worth the time to put those little scumbags in jail where some bigger kid can make him his *. The world is **** up. They cant put them in prison. This stupid country we love some much doesn't give our police and service men the power they need to put these people behind bars. Blame this freaking country not the police!
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. League of Infamy 505	Posted - 2013.08.16 11:20:00 - [34] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: I'm one of the few people that supports having to use ur real name online. The internet communtys used to be small enough that an Andy was just a funny thing everybody new u anyway. The worst thing we ever did was make the internet easy to use. Their are to many bad apples vs the good ones these days Sad but true.
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 340	Posted - 2013.08.16 11:21:00 - [35] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: so basically, wanting a quality product, and calling someone out when they can't deliver is a bad thing now? damn, I must need to be in a support group. my boss tells me to my face that I suck at what I do. I just buck up and do my damned job better because "** that guy!" I present to you the ugly of the internet http://gamerfury.tumblr.com/ Warning Link Contains Language of Intense nature. NSFW/M18+** More than enough to make you hang your head in shame really. Patch notes reads similarly to. Reload of one gun was adjusted from 2.0 to 4.0 chambering was increased from 1.0 to 1.1 Damage of 3 guns lowered to match the dps of the other sniper rifles. This is just depressing. Why are these people even allowed to touch or even look at video games?
KGB Sleep Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 54	Posted - 2013.08.16 11:56:00 - [36] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: I'm one of the few people that supports having to use ur real name online. The internet communtys used to be small enough that an Andy was just a funny thing everybody new u anyway. The worst thing we ever did was make the internet easy to use. Their are to many bad apples vs the good ones these days Sad but true. KGB Sleep wrote: The beauty if the internet is the anonymity. The truth comes out when there is no accountability and it should be every human beings purpose to seek truth, for it's own sake. Real names are for the real world. In the real world you will shut your mouth before you speak your true mind. Tell me, how many times have you held your tongue? 1) The anonymity is a total illusion since it is stupidly easy to find out who someone is on the web, often because of their own foolishness. 2) Anyone who has the guts to tell the truth to someone face to face deserves respect, especially if they do it in a way that is constructive and respectfull. What we see on the internet is neither of these things. People have replaced the idea of clear, constructive, and respectful dialogue with the idea that they can say anything they want because they are "telling it like it is," which is total bs most of the time. The small percent of the time that people are giving genuine feedback they are drowned out by the more extreme and disrespectful among us or their own negatively tinged delivery. If you want to hide behind a mask and say that your truth is as good as one that isn't given from behind the blinds fine, but just know that you are deluding yourself as to the power of your words. Speak the truth but don't do it in a way that you'd be afraid to show ownership of. You can do it on the web, you can do it in real life. /drops mic and walks off stage ? 4chan's moot actually puts it best when he says that the world needs a place to fail, and fail safely. I agree that threats are cowardice and if you are going to make threats you should show yourself +1. But to make change, in a positive way, anonymity can be a removal of bias. Anonymity can be that thing that frees a thought. Sometimes a revolutionary thought can't have a face and that adds to its power. Do not think for a second that everything you do is anonymous. But for you to assume that real names are a good thing is idiotic. Look at the world today. People are killed for their opinions sometimes. Without anonymity these thoughts can't rise to the surface. Would you like to know more? Or less.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. League of Infamy 506	Posted - 2013.08.16 12:03:00 - [37] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: 4chan's moot actually puts it best when he says that the world needs a place to fail, and fail safely. I agree that threats are cowardice and if you are going to make threats you should show yourself +1. But to make change, in a positive way, anonymity can be a removal of bias. Anonymity can be that thing that frees a thought. Sometimes a revolutionary thought can't have a face and that adds to its power. Do not think for a second that everything you do is anonymous. But for you to assume that real names are a good thing is idiotic. Look at the world today. People are killed for their opinions sometimes. Without anonymity these thoughts can't rise to the surface. Would you like to know more? Or less. Name one revolution started by a person with no name? Names have power. Yes, they have consequences, but in those consequences lay their might. Without a face an idea has no meaning.
KGB Sleep Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 54	Posted - 2013.08.16 12:13:00 - [38] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: KGB Sleep wrote: 4chan's moot actually puts it best when he says that the world needs a place to fail, and fail safely. I agree that threats are cowardice and if you are going to make threats you should show yourself +1. But to make change, in a positive way, anonymity can be a removal of bias. Anonymity can be that thing that frees a thought. Sometimes a revolutionary thought can't have a face and that adds to its power. Do not think for a second that everything you do is anonymous. But for you to assume that real names are a good thing is idiotic. Look at the world today. People are killed for their opinions sometimes. Without anonymity these thoughts can't rise to the surface. Would you like to know more? Or less. Name one revolution started by a person with no name? Names have power. Yes, they have consequences, but in those consequences lie their might. Without a face an idea has no meaning. It eventually comes to light if it is big but i'll drop Bradley Manning as an answer. Also the countless whistleblowers in cases you have never heard of. What about "Anonymous" tips that solve crimes? To put someone completely in the light inhibits true speech. Things become "PC" and people get scared. Whether you think it is honorable or not is irrelevant because the thoughts in the back of people's minds need to be spoken otherwise the majority will dictate without a true consensus.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 118	Posted - 2013.08.16 12:29:00 - [39] - Quote I read that article and then saw the whole part about Xbox players doing that and I thought, nah we ps3 players are way to nice :p......and then I go t the main page In General discussion and all I see is "CCP make a better game" "MD514" "Dust 514 is broken". I'm Like really guys, they are working on stuff, we just don't know what. CCP ignore all the trolling threads and just know that the majority of people in this thread will leave you alone (this is a good thread)
Aran Abbas Goonfeet Top Men. 225	Posted - 2013.08.16 12:38:00 - [40] - Quote I'm willing to offer my counselling services to the Dust devs. Come sit on my knee, tell me your troubles.

Lorhak Gannarsein DUST University Ivy League 159	Posted - 2013.08.16 12:40:00 - [41] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: KGB Sleep wrote: 4chan's moot actually puts it best when he says that the world needs a place to fail, and fail safely. I agree that threats are cowardice and if you are going to make threats you should show yourself +1. But to make change, in a positive way, anonymity can be a removal of bias. Anonymity can be that thing that frees a thought. Sometimes a revolutionary thought can't have a face and that adds to its power. Do not think for a second that everything you do is anonymous. But for you to assume that real names are a good thing is idiotic. Look at the world today. People are killed for their opinions sometimes. Without anonymity these thoughts can't rise to the surface. Would you like to know more? Or less. Name one revolution started by a person with no name? Names have power. Yes, they have consequences, but in those consequences lie their might. Without a face an idea has no meaning. It eventually comes to light if it is big but i'll drop Bradley Manning as an answer. Also the countless whistleblowers in cases you have never heard of. What about "Anonymous" tips that solve crimes? To put someone completely in the light inhibits true speech. Things become "PC" and people get scared. Whether you think it is honorable or not is irrelevant because the thoughts in the back of people's minds need to be spoken otherwise the majority will dictate without a true consensus. Bradley Manning, huh? So much for anonymity. Second, he's made a public statement regretting his actions. Find a better example.
RoundEy3 Metal Mind Industries 315	Posted - 2013.08.16 13:23:00 - [42] - Quote To all of the woes for humanity all of us sensible people have one bit hope, one saving grace to look upon for what seems like an endless assault of mindless youth and degradation is upon us. Someday... Yes someday there will be far too many useless, incapable, entitled, web enabled dim wits to fit into a planet with finite space and resources. There is a grand balance of things that can only tilt in one way for so long. So until that time, let us, those who have seen what it is like to live life with out being connected to any internet or wireless signals, those who have appreciated the appearance of such luxuries, be glad that we will not be so selfish and blind to the amazing creations and opportunities made from the discoveries of those who came before us. This is my random semi-inspiring internet speech for the day. Just for the record I don't wish for the apocalypse, just less useless, increasingly ignorant, and selfish life forms. Cheers EDIT: Ever seen the movie Idiocracy? I'm convinced that will be the norm someday.
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1101	Posted - 2013.08.16 15:28:00 - [43] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: I'm one of the few people that supports having to use ur real name online. The internet communtys used to be small enough that an Andy was just a funny thing everybody new u anyway. The worst thing we ever did was make the internet easy to use. Their are to many bad apples vs the good ones these days The beauty if the internet is the anonymity. The truth comes out when there is no accountability and it should be every human beings purpose to seek truth, for it's own sake. Real names are for the real world. In the real world you will shut your mouth before you speak your true mind. Tell me, how many times have you held your tongue? Bullshit. The internet is so full of crap now I don't believe anything on it. That anonymity is a direct cause of the madhouse the Iinternet is. And to your second point none and I can happly say that I'm well known for speaking my mind. No accountabley leads to none giving a shirt and open to abuse just long a 4chan or that poor girl who was killed her self over trolls. Fuckit just look at Twitter. I don't mind u defending your point. Butdon't use dulations and real word cowdance as a defense
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 857	Posted - 2013.08.16 15:44:00 - [44] - Quote Meh Turn off twitter or dont have an account in the 1st place or just ignore the comments and laugh while the world burns Being anon helps you seperate you from an online you but then again having real names mean ** all tbh, for example you can be against gays being married or women get high profile jobs for being a women (not on merit) and you get ***** crucified and called sexism and homophobic by ppl with real names and it doesnt stop them
steadyhand amarr Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1101	Posted - 2013.08.16 15:50:00 - [45] - Quote Just for the sake of argument. Why on either should u separate the real u and the "online" you both have very real world consequences. A girl killed herself becausee of this mentality thr online u will get caught and found. It scares me that people don't think doing stuff on the internet does not have very real consequences. Last thing I'm going to say on this topic it's pissing me off to much
martinofski Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 294	Posted - 2013.08.16 16:45:00 - [46] - Quote Yep the internet, where people, under their "anonymity", feel free to says anything to people while being not scared of the consequences. I look at this forum everyday, and men I am happy CCP is blocking and deleting posts. We aren't too far from the link Ironwolf actually shared...Not sure all the QQ and trolling over QQ really help in anything. Good post just follow down the toilet drain with all the bad post going on.
Kaze Eyrou Turalyon 514 343	Posted - 2013.08.16 19:29:00 - [47] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Just for the sake of argument. Why on either should u separate the real u and the "online" you both have very real world consequences. A girl killed herself becausee of this mentality thr online u will get caught and found. It scares me that people don't think doing stuff on the internet does not have very real consequences. Last thing I'm going to say on this topic it's pissing me off to much Ah shoot, I guess I missed you... Anyways, anonymity is important in some cases though steadyhand. How about the investigators or undercover agents who know there are people who are up to no good and want to stop them? Another example I remember VERY well is from World of Warcraft. Blizzard decided it would be a good idea to make your real name appear on the forums. One member decided to post his real name just to demonstrate why it's a bad idea. 30 minutes later, it was edited because someone had found him and called him at his work. Thankfully the guy was a white or grey hat because he simply asked if the infomation he had found on the guy was all correct (full name, SSN, street address, spouse, children's names, schools, phone numbers, etc.). Of course, I think this guy knew the power of many of these hackers and was REALLY lucky to have been found by someone of a moral mindset. Make no mistake however, I do agree with you: there are some cases where anonymity should be revoked. Wait. Anonymous? Girl killing herself? One sec... http://www.dailydot.com/news/anonymous-kylie-suicide-trolls-bully/ Those afraid to open the link, it's actually an uplifting story. Anons actually decided the lulz would stop here and completely and utterly exposed the girl's attackers. Back on topic, steadyhand, I believe you and I as well as many on here would agree with this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOIZXxB1nlI ^ Extra Credits, Season 6, Episode 11 - Toxicity As for what you said martinofski, I've done my share of trolling, admittedly, in response to many weak trolls and rancid whining and moaning. And just like you said: Not sure all the it really helps anything. So I'm going to be part of the solution instead of the problem: gotta stop the retaliation and just simply block those who are vitriolic.
Mamertine Son R.E.B.E.L.S 160	Posted - 2013.08.16 20:03:00 - [48] - Quote Kaze Eyrou wrote: Make no mistake however, I do agree with you: there are some cases where anonymity should be revoked. Wait. Anonymous? Girl killing herself? One sec... http://www.dailydot.com/news/anonymous-kylie-suicide-trolls-bully/ Those afraid to open the link, it's actually an uplifting story. Anons actually decided the lulz would stop here and completely and utterly exposed the girl's attackers. That was awesome, Super Plus One
Billi Gene Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 292	Posted - 2013.08.16 21:15:00 - [49] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: steadyhand amarr wrote: I'm one of the few people that supports having to use ur real name online. The internet communtys used to be small enough that an Andy was just a funny thing everybody new u anyway. The worst thing we ever did was make the internet easy to use. Their are to many bad apples vs the good ones these days The beauty if the internet is the anonymity. The truth comes out when there is no accountability and it should be every human beings purpose to seek truth, for it's own sake. Real names are for the real world. In the real world you will shut your mouth before you speak your true mind. Tell me, how many times have you held your tongue? make no mistakes, to get your DUST account you were supposed to give your real name, in any case Sony has acess to enough information about you to press charges should they need to. That doing so would be bad for business at this time, is not lost on Sony. Anonymity or at least the illusion of it, seems to be part of the draw for alot of internet abuse. The fact that it is an illusion and that many trolls have been traced and tracked and publicly shamed, seems lost on the few who base their emotional well being on the stability of their online persona. Parents might argue for protections for their children, and yet the best protection is to not allow children outside of safe networks. Much of the worst behavior I have seen has been perpetrated by the disempowered youth, because 8-14 is a time of awakening and the exploration of self and others. Treat others as you would have them treat you! Such is the basis for honor on the battlefield Strangers are people And on the net we are all strangers. So whilst you should never trust entirely, Treat others as you would have them treat you....


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