Agreed here, a more robust meta would bring a great deal to the table.



Okay it seems I'm missing some mechanic in what you are saying because I'm not seeing where that profit is at risk for the attacker during any point of the process.

Here's my understanding, please point out where I'm going off track from your suggestion.
Attacker hits a no show battle, attacker wins that battle costing the defender the minimum clone loss and thus reaping the ISK gains of the biomass/theft mechanics. Having profited even above the cost of the clone pack the attacker simply seeds the actual fight at the 150 clone mark not caring what happens to the defender or their district because the attacker has already profited and has no 'skin in the game'.

So, what did I miss?


I totally agree that there is a problem with what's happening now and I want to reiterate that I support the intent of your change but from my current understanding it won't eliminate farming it will simply move the mechanic of what is required to farm.

Cheers,
Cross

As to what one guy stated about how people who are good at this game are 'less than human'...

you are an idiot

Now that I got that out there, I disagree with you. While I would love to see more competition, people that excel at the end game should NOT get punished for being able to handle themselves. Do you think EON was GIVEN the territory we have? No!
We fought long and hard for each district. It is not our fault that corps did not have the organization or manpower to hold their own.

That IS EVE and this is DUST. The strong hold the best parts of space, while the weak have everything else.

I think more systems would alleviate the problems though. Open up areas outside of Molden Heath or something.

I like your idea. Couldnt hurt CCP to try new approaches. God knows what they have done so far is not working towards the success of this game outside its current 3-4k playerbase.

The following are my thoughts, and do not represent Molon Labe. EoN members, you will not want to read this as it will make your blood boil and prompt troll responses... not looking to start another flame war. Read at your own risk.
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My theory has always been that this game is failing because CCP put too much power in the hands of the player. And lets be honest, the online gaming community, specifically the elite gamers (basement dwellers, neck beards, etc, etc) are not too keen on keeping an even, level and fair playing field. If I were to make up a statistic, I would guess that 95% of elite gamers couldnt give two flying fucks if the game was fun or enjoyable for the rest of the community. They are selfish, and care about winning. And whats wrong with that? Nothing.. for a player. But for a leadership position, yeah not so good. But in reality, thats why some people play online games... they are anonymous and can act in game completely different than they are expected to act in real life with no consequences. Super successful FPS developers play the other hand.. they strive to try and create as even a playing field as possible for elite and newb players alike, balance is at the forefront of their thought process. The opposite of the players they design their games to cater to.

With that out of the way, CCP made a mistake when they thought it be a good idea to let the players run the end game. To group the top 5% of the super skilled into one corner, which was bound to happen in time with their alliance/corp structure and timed PC battles. How did they expect the other 95% to be able to do anything about it? This game model works in EvE because EvE has a PvE element. You get your butt stomped in PvP, go play PvE for a while until you are ready to step up into the big leagues. Dust lacks that aspect and I have not seen any plans to come out with something to fill the time gap in the forseeable future. Team sync faction warfare queue battles would also be a step in the right direction to help get the masses the right scenario to practice the strategys and teamwork needed to step into the PC arena. It is too late for that now.

What happens in real life when the 5% control all the power? Eventually, rebellion. That is what EoN is waiting for... they are waiting for the community to rebel against them. They want competition (or so they say) but will it come? Probably not. It could happen eventually though. The problem is that the FPS player pool as a whole are not looking for a long, drawn out game where there might be some distant hope of a rebellion in the next few months down the road, after some random player decides to step up with enough coordination and influence to rally the community to ally against the folks with the power. People who fit this criteria, lets call them "elite gamers with a conscience and brain" have probably already quit playing this game, or they have already joined the top 5% group.

Time is against us. I have gone off on a campaign to urge EoN to consider dismantling the blue donut they have created for the sake of Dust 514. This mentality has been met with much backlash, insults, name calling and ridicule. Was I expecting anything more from the people who I have so eloquently described above? Of course not. I had high hopes, but yeah did anyone really expect them to see the big picture? Nope, didnt think so.

This is not a post to derail this topic or invite EoN flames.. just a rant, vent, something to think about.

The blame is shared between CCPs flawed design and the players who continue to log into Dust everyday, who have thpower to change the entire landscape of the endgame PC, and continue business as usual.

I hate to say it, but as smokey the bear has said before on TV "Only you can stop dust from dying". This idea may not work, but honestly guys.. what do you have to lose?

Now I know you will say that you all built EoN for community, friendship, and other games after Dust 514. But what you ended up doing was building EoN to kill Dust 514.. you just didnt realize it.

The following responses are not needed as I have heard them a million times...
LOL Bullitt QQ more, learn2play, you are irrelevant, this game is already dead/dying, PC is a joke nobody cares.

Got it. Thanks.

You have yet to answer my question. What is the worst thing that could happen from trying the above situation.

Nobody on your side has been able to answer that question. They choose to ignore everything I write and say "we are not splitting up, we worked hard for this". But what is this? Farmville? Thats exactly what it is. You want competition, but refuse to create an even playing field where competition can flourish. Contratulations, I guess. But i know based on your responses here already that you will go back to blaming CCP.

Listen, tomorrow when you wake up.. log into dust.. will the game be different? NO. WIll it change anytime soon? NO. Will there be another mass exodus from this game once Diablo 3, GTA 5, Bf4, and PS4 come out in the next few months. YES.

Can you the players do something NOW, not in the future, or the past, but the present to ATTEMPT to change the landscape of PC? Yes.

If you choose not to, there is nobody to blame but yourselves. Like I said, even tho this is a video game, unlike any that has come before it, failing miserable, the PLAYERS actually do have to have some sort of responsibilty for what they do in the game and the consequences of their actions. I KNOW ITS ******* CRAZY RIGHT? but tell me how that statement is not true in this particular game.

Looks like i'll have to jump on the band wagon and say "We aren't splitting our alliance"... Its the dumbest idea i've seen

Why would we work so hard together to just split? And to split for a bad reason?

Again its not the players fault PC is a broken game mode that we learned how to beat... if all the people who hated EoN so much would just fight with one another like Hellstorms first goal. It can be done

But most just don't care anymore dude. I agree the players can do something about it. We are doing something about it. Yeah Dust will lose people. So did eve, lots of people but when the game is better they will come back.

Again you are wrong to say its EoNs fault dust is broken

And i think you are blind and far from an innovater, I had hopes I found the one.. but I was wrong. Keep waiting for CCP to fix timers thinking that will change anything. Keep thinking some mass movement of skill will grace the Dust landscape to proivde you the "challenge" you claim to want so much. Keep doing nothng while more and more "carebears" (remember, we are the people you wnat to be able to shoot at) migrate to greener pastures. This game is so far from EvE its not even close to similar. As described already, EvE differs from dust that the masses can in fact rally against one. How do you expect to do that when battles are fixed to 16v16?

Life lesson for the day... A man has the ability to admit when he is wrong. I was hoping there might be a man amongst your ranks, but I was sorely mistaken.

Here is an example. I play a small war game called Game of War: Fire age. I have a strong alliance, yesterday a smaller alliance attacked one of my guys.. so I went and destroyed him and all his buddies. Awesome I thought! Right? wrong. Few days later now there is nobody for us to attack, nobody to fight, so we are just sitting here farming. Boring! But those are the ropes right? That is the essence of competitive games. Thats why the industry keeps taking our money I suppose. lol

Agree to disagree. Good luck in your future endeavors.