DUST Search - "Fix" to farming in PC

Exergonic wrote:

ER-Bullitt wrote:

Exergonic wrote:

ER-Bullitt wrote:

You have yet to answer my question. What is the worst thing that could happen from trying the above situation.

Nobody on your side has been able to answer that question. They choose to ignore everything I write and say "we are not splitting up, we worked hard for this". But what is this? Farmville? Thats exactly what it is. You want competition, but refuse to create an even playing field where competition can flourish. Contratulations, I guess. But i know based on your responses here already that you will go back to blaming CCP.

Listen, tomorrow when you wake up.. log into dust.. will the game be different? NO. WIll it change anytime soon? NO. Will there be another mass exodus from this game once Diablo 3, GTA 5, Bf4, and PS4 come out in the next few months. YES.

Can you the players do something NOW, not in the future, or the past, but the present to ATTEMPT to change the landscape of PC? Yes.

If you choose not to, there is nobody to blame but yourselves. Like I said, even tho this is a video game, unlike any that has come before it, failing miserable, the PLAYERS actually do have to have some sort of responsibilty for what they do in the game and the consequences of their actions. I KNOW ITS ******* CRAZY RIGHT? but tell me how that statement is not true in this particular game.

Looks like i'll have to jump on the band wagon and say "We aren't splitting our alliance"... Its the dumbest idea i've seen

Why would we work so hard together to just split? And to split for a bad reason?

Again its not the players fault PC is a broken game mode that we learned how to beat... if all the people who hated EoN so much would just fight with one another like Hellstorms first goal. It can be done

But most just don't care anymore dude. I agree the players can do something about it. We are doing something about it. Yeah Dust will lose people. So did eve, lots of people but when the game is better they will come back.

Again you are wrong to say its EoNs fault dust is broken

And i think you are blind and far from an innovater, I had hopes I found the one.. but I was wrong. Keep waiting for CCP to fix timers thinking that will change anything. Keep thinking some mass movement of skill will grace the Dust landscape to proivde you the "challenge" you claim to want so much. Keep doing nothng while more and more "carebears" (remember, we are the people you wnat to be able to shoot at) migrate to greener pastures. This game is so far from EvE its not even close to similar. As described already, EvE differs from dust that the masses can in fact rally against one. How do you expect to do that when battles are fixed to 16v16?

Life lesson for the day... A man has the ability to admit when he is wrong. I was hoping there might be a man amongst your ranks, but I was sorely mistaken.

Here is an example. I play a small war game called Game of War: Fire age. I have a strong alliance, yesterday a smaller alliance attacked one of my guys.. so I went and destroyed him and all his buddies. Awesome I thought! Right? wrong. Few days later now there is nobody for us to attack, nobody to fight, so we are just sitting here farming. Boring! But those are the ropes right? That is the essence of competitive games. Thats why the industry keeps taking our money I suppose. lol

Agree to disagree. Good luck in your future endeavors.

1. Fixed battles?? I'm pretty sure that any corp who has more then 8 districts has stacked timers. Everyone on this forum like to boast about how strong their meta is. Well there you go the only meta aspect about PC besides district placement. TP has over 50 districts. Again work together =)

2. will you remind me what EoN did "Wrong"?

3. Why don't you split your alliance to have better fights?? Or you could always play a "better" game. Unlike your game CCP is still active in this one. They have lots of money tied up in this games success. Remember the Goon way in Eve sir. If its broken expose and exploit till its fixed. PC is Broken we want it fixed. End of story.


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ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 251	Posted - 2013.08.15 22:06:00 - [1] - Quote I like your idea. Couldnt hurt CCP to try new approaches. God knows what they have done so far is not working towards the success of this game outside its current 3-4k playerbase. The following are my thoughts, and do not represent Molon Labe. EoN members, you will not want to read this as it will make your blood boil and prompt troll responses... not looking to start another flame war. Read at your own risk. _______________________ My theory has always been that this game is failing because CCP put too much power in the hands of the player. And lets be honest, the online gaming community, specifically the elite gamers (basement dwellers, neck beards, etc, etc) are not too keen on keeping an even, level and fair playing field. If I were to make up a statistic, I would guess that 95% of elite gamers couldnt give two flying fucks if the game was fun or enjoyable for the rest of the community. They are selfish, and care about winning. And whats wrong with that? Nothing.. for a player. But for a leadership position, yeah not so good. But in reality, thats why some people play online games... they are anonymous and can act in game completely different than they are expected to act in real life with no consequences. Super successful FPS developers play the other hand.. they strive to try and create as even a playing field as possible for elite and newb players alike, balance is at the forefront of their thought process. The opposite of the players they design their games to cater to. With that out of the way, CCP made a mistake when they thought it be a good idea to let the players run the end game. To group the top 5% of the super skilled into one corner, which was bound to happen in time with their alliance/corp structure and timed PC battles. How did they expect the other 95% to be able to do anything about it? This game model works in EvE because EvE has a PvE element. You get your butt stomped in PvP, go play PvE for a while until you are ready to step up into the big leagues. Dust lacks that aspect and I have not seen any plans to come out with something to fill the time gap in the forseeable future. Team sync faction warfare queue battles would also be a step in the right direction to help get the masses the right scenario to practice the strategys and teamwork needed to step into the PC arena. It is too late for that now. What happens in real life when the 5% control all the power? Eventually, rebellion. That is what EoN is waiting for... they are waiting for the community to rebel against them. They want competition (or so they say) but will it come? Probably not. It could happen eventually though. The problem is that the FPS player pool as a whole are not looking for a long, drawn out game where there might be some distant hope of a rebellion in the next few months down the road, after some random player decides to step up with enough coordination and influence to rally the community to ally against the folks with the power. People who fit this criteria, lets call them "elite gamers with a conscience and brain" have probably already quit playing this game. Time is against us. I have gone off on a campaign to urge EoN to consider dismantling the blue donut they have created for the sake of Dust 514. This mentality has been met with much backlash, insults, name calling and ridicule. Was I expecting anything more from the people who I have so eloquently described above? Of course not. I had high hopes, but yeah did anyone really expect them to see the big picture? Nope, didnt think so. This is not a post to derail this topic or invite EoN flames.. just a rant, vent, something to think about. The blame is shared between CCPs flawed design and the players who continue to log into Dust everyday, who have thpower to change the entire landscape of the endgame PC, and continue business as usual. I hate to say it, but as smokey the bear has said before on TV "Only you can stop dust from dying". This idea may not work, but honestly guys.. what do you have to lose? Now I know you will say that you all built EoN for community, friendship, and other games after Dust 514. But what you ended up doing was building EoN to kill Dust 514.. you just didnt realize it. The following responses are not needed as I have heard them a million times... LOL Bullitt QQ more, learn2play, you are irrelevant, this game is already dead/dying, PC is a joke nobody cares.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 252	Posted - 2013.08.15 22:29:00 - [2] - Quote Quote: Honestly I agree with most of your points the mechanics of the game should not of allowed Eon to do this. BTW I do have a neck beard Wow, guess there is a first time for everything! lol, thanks.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 267	Posted - 2013.08.19 17:58:00 - [3] - Quote I dont play eve, just going off what I have learned from others. Thanks for that input, good to know. Glad there can be some sort of constructive talks in this forum, as opposed to the Troll Room.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 267	Posted - 2013.08.19 20:27:00 - [4] - Quote Mary Sedillo wrote: As to what one guy stated about how people who are good at this game are 'less than human'... you are an idiot Now that I got that out there, I disagree with you. While I would love to see more competition, people that excel at the end game should NOT get punished for being able to handle themselves. Do you think EON was GIVEN the territory we have? No! We fought long and hard for each district. It is not our fault that corps did not have the organization or manpower to hold their own. That IS EVE and this is DUST. The strong hold the best parts of space, while the weak have everything else. I think more systems would alleviate the problems though. Open up areas outside of Molden Heath or something. Ruh Roh. If guys from your own alliance are starting to say it... GASP... it may be true. You are just like all the a-typical elites left playing dust in your blue donut. You ****** up, you blued up, you killed competition. You blame CCP. I blame you. we can agree to disagree, but the evidence is clear. What you all have done certainly didnt help the game, didnt help competition, didnt help bring the game back from the dead. All your leader can say is "but ROFL, CRONOS, NF all tried to do it" glad they failed, kept this game going. If one mega alliance owned PC within the 1st week, which could have easily happened if the stars aligned and the PLAYERS wanted to do it, this game would be further into the grave than it is now. So if you are not helping the situation, what are you doing? exactly. take the blinders off and LOOK AT WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. god, you guys are so block headed and stubborn its crazy.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 267	Posted - 2013.08.19 20:40:00 - [5] - Quote You all want to try and fix the game, but first you have to fix the mentality of the online gamer subculture. figure out to show those kids the consequences of their actions when they stick the top 5% on one side and expect the other 95% to "bring it". Its a completely failed and bonked idea for a game (took me 6 months to understand it, hence why I dont develop games.. not smart enough, just another online gamer). Unless you are happy with a 3-4k playerbase like Dust has maintained for the past year + . Problem there is that elite gamers dont like playing other elite gamers. They dont like to lose. As much as they claim to want competition, give them a weeks worth of more losses then wins and to the door they will go just like the rest of the tryhards. They like to pubstomp and beat on the weak, because in most cases in real life they are weak themselves. Its a viscous circle. Anyway, I will let you all get back to your discussion on how to fix a broken idea.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 267	Posted - 2013.08.19 20:47:00 - [6] - Quote I know you are confused.. you all are confused. YOu dont want this game to flourish, why would you? You "earned" your molden heath farmville. Enjoy it.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 267	Posted - 2013.08.19 20:58:00 - [7] - Quote Ive used this correlation before, I will give you one last go then I have to leave. I know Dust and Chess are two completely different games, but for a second imagine they were similar. Chessboard Pieces Placed perfectly on either side = fun, challenging, skill based game Now for Dust Chessboard = Planetary Conquest Pieces = Mercenaires Placed imperfectly, balance tipping strongly to one side = not so fun, not so challenging, but still a skill based game. You want to reviatlize Dust, You want your EoN bros to be happy and see more fights, figure out a way to bring back the fun and challenging. CCP isnt going to do it. You the players can. This is extremely outside of the box thinking and I dont expect you, or any a-typical online gamer to get it. But for the last time, what do you have to lose?
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 267	Posted - 2013.08.19 21:05:00 - [8] - Quote Got it. Thanks.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 267	Posted - 2013.08.19 21:10:00 - [9] - Quote Sorry, I've been campaining this idea for too long and starting to lose hope. I posted a TON of drivel in this thread here.. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1185735#post1185735 If you feel like giving it a read and making history, and revitalizing PC, go for it. Other than that, im done with this thread for today. Bullitt wrote: Dont look at it like you are splitting up your alliance, cause that is not what I am suggesting persay. Look at it like creating two divisions within EoN. Look at it as the possibility to recruit more members to your alliance. As you said, you built EoN not just for Dust, but for future games. Take your heavy hitters and split them evenly to both sides, for example TP/RND on one side SyN/OH on the other Then fill in the blanks with the rest of the active corporations. Then, and this is where you become the hero, you gather up any and all willing corporations, established, LoI, ROFL, indy, and evenly distribute them amongst both divisions. Probationary. The biggest feeder corp you can think of. Huge pool of players of which you may gain some new additions to your core that you never thought would be there. Take a week to divy up the districts. Put some rules in place. This would be the Mavado Show. You call the shots (or have Chicago do it, the community likes him better than you anyway). Try to setup fights that are evenly matched. Its more fun for both sides, correct? This sounds good on paper, probalby wont fly, but whats the worst that could happen? People quit or stop playing? Thats happening as I type this message. Consequences.... The Pro's: - An act of goodwill towards the community. Break your mold of the traditional elite gamer douchebag. Who knows, you may like the change of pace. - Keep all your hard earned isk. - More fights! Your members want them right? provide for your members in a way that is different from the mold. - Less forum drama and QQ - More players for you to choose from to add to your band of brothers, or not. - Maintain the EoN brand you have worked so hard to create. If your claims are true with how solid of a bond you have created within EoN, it should not be difficult to put everyone back together once dust is 6 feet under. You have a website I am sure, you didnt think I wanted you to kick everyone from your website or something silly like that? The Con's: - This will take some work and coordination, totally understand if you are too busy with farmville. I know it can be tough counting all that isk lol. - Can't really think of any other negatives to this scenario, but I am sure you guys will come up with something. Have a great day
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 267	Posted - 2013.08.19 21:15:00 - [10] - Quote You have yet to answer my question. What is the worst thing that could happen from trying the above situation. Nobody on your side has been able to answer that question. They choose to ignore everything I write and say "we are not splitting up, we worked hard for this". But what is this? Farmville? Thats exactly what it is. You want competition, but refuse to create an even playing field where competition can flourish. Contratulations, I guess. But i know based on your responses here already that you will go back to blaming CCP. Listen, tomorrow when you wake up.. log into dust.. will the game be different? NO. WIll it change anytime soon? NO. Will there be another mass exodus from this game once Diablo 3, GTA 5, Bf4, and PS4 come out in the next few months. YES. Can you the players do something NOW, not in the future, or the past, but the present to ATTEMPT to change the landscape of PC? Yes. If you choose not to, there is nobody to blame but yourselves. Like I said, even tho this is a video game, unlike any that has come before it, failing miserable, the PLAYERS actually do have to have some sort of responsibilty for what they do in the game and the consequences of their actions. I KNOW ITS ******* CRAZY RIGHT? but tell me how that statement is not true in this particular game.

ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 267	Posted - 2013.08.19 21:16:00 - [11] - Quote ExmapIe Core wrote: ER-Bullitt wrote: Got it. Thanks. The only reason why you are able to walk around and feel like somebody is because you were eating scraps off our table. No offense. Who are you? Supposed to be somebody important? Shoo.. back to the troll cave with you lol.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 267	Posted - 2013.08.19 21:34:00 - [12] - Quote Exergonic wrote: ER-Bullitt wrote: You have yet to answer my question. What is the worst thing that could happen from trying the above situation. Nobody on your side has been able to answer that question. They choose to ignore everything I write and say "we are not splitting up, we worked hard for this". But what is this? Farmville? Thats exactly what it is. You want competition, but refuse to create an even playing field where competition can flourish. Contratulations, I guess. But i know based on your responses here already that you will go back to blaming CCP. Listen, tomorrow when you wake up.. log into dust.. will the game be different? NO. WIll it change anytime soon? NO. Will there be another mass exodus from this game once Diablo 3, GTA 5, Bf4, and PS4 come out in the next few months. YES. Can you the players do something NOW, not in the future, or the past, but the present to ATTEMPT to change the landscape of PC? Yes. If you choose not to, there is nobody to blame but yourselves. Like I said, even tho this is a video game, unlike any that has come before it, failing miserable, the PLAYERS actually do have to have some sort of responsibilty for what they do in the game and the consequences of their actions. I KNOW ITS ******* CRAZY RIGHT? but tell me how that statement is not true in this particular game. Looks like i'll have to jump on the band wagon and say "We aren't splitting our alliance"... Its the dumbest idea i've seen Why would we work so hard together to just split? And to split for a bad reason? Again its not the players fault PC is a broken game mode that we learned how to beat... if all the people who hated EoN so much would just fight with one another like Hellstorms first goal. It can be done But most just don't care anymore dude. I agree the players can do something about it. We are doing something about it. Yeah Dust will lose people. So did eve, lots of people but when the game is better they will come back. Again you are wrong to say its EoNs fault dust is broken And i think you are blind and far from an innovater, I had hopes I found the one.. but I was wrong. Keep waiting for CCP to fix timers thinking that will change anything. Keep thinking some mass movement of skill will grace the Dust landscape to proivde you the "challenge" you claim to want so much. Keep doing nothng while more and more "carebears" (remember, we are the people you wnat to be able to shoot at) migrate to greener pastures. This game is so far from EvE its not even close to similar. As described already, EvE differs from dust that the masses can in fact rally against one. How do you expect to do that when battles are fixed to 16v16? Life lesson for the day... A man has the ability to admit when he is wrong. I was hoping there might be a man amongst your ranks, but I was sorely mistaken. Here is an example. I play a small war game called Game of War: Fire age. I have a strong alliance, yesterday a smaller alliance attacked one of my guys.. so I went and destroyed him and all his buddies. Awesome I thought! Right? wrong. Few days later now there is nobody for us to attack, nobody to fight, so we are just sitting here farming. Boring! But those are the ropes right? That is the essence of competitive games. Thats why the industry keeps taking our money I suppose. lol Agree to disagree. Good luck in your future endeavors.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 267	Posted - 2013.08.19 21:51:00 - [13] - Quote Exergonic wrote: ER-Bullitt wrote: Exergonic wrote: ER-Bullitt wrote: You have yet to answer my question. What is the worst thing that could happen from trying the above situation. Nobody on your side has been able to answer that question. They choose to ignore everything I write and say "we are not splitting up, we worked hard for this". But what is this? Farmville? Thats exactly what it is. You want competition, but refuse to create an even playing field where competition can flourish. Contratulations, I guess. But i know based on your responses here already that you will go back to blaming CCP. Listen, tomorrow when you wake up.. log into dust.. will the game be different? NO. WIll it change anytime soon? NO. Will there be another mass exodus from this game once Diablo 3, GTA 5, Bf4, and PS4 come out in the next few months. YES. Can you the players do something NOW, not in the future, or the past, but the present to ATTEMPT to change the landscape of PC? Yes. If you choose not to, there is nobody to blame but yourselves. Like I said, even tho this is a video game, unlike any that has come before it, failing miserable, the PLAYERS actually do have to have some sort of responsibilty for what they do in the game and the consequences of their actions. I KNOW ITS ******* CRAZY RIGHT? but tell me how that statement is not true in this particular game. Looks like i'll have to jump on the band wagon and say "We aren't splitting our alliance"... Its the dumbest idea i've seen Why would we work so hard together to just split? And to split for a bad reason? Again its not the players fault PC is a broken game mode that we learned how to beat... if all the people who hated EoN so much would just fight with one another like Hellstorms first goal. It can be done But most just don't care anymore dude. I agree the players can do something about it. We are doing something about it. Yeah Dust will lose people. So did eve, lots of people but when the game is better they will come back. Again you are wrong to say its EoNs fault dust is broken And i think you are blind and far from an innovater, I had hopes I found the one.. but I was wrong. Keep waiting for CCP to fix timers thinking that will change anything. Keep thinking some mass movement of skill will grace the Dust landscape to proivde you the "challenge" you claim to want so much. Keep doing nothng while more and more "carebears" (remember, we are the people you wnat to be able to shoot at) migrate to greener pastures. This game is so far from EvE its not even close to similar. As described already, EvE differs from dust that the masses can in fact rally against one. How do you expect to do that when battles are fixed to 16v16? Life lesson for the day... A man has the ability to admit when he is wrong. I was hoping there might be a man amongst your ranks, but I was sorely mistaken. Here is an example. I play a small war game called Game of War: Fire age. I have a strong alliance, yesterday a smaller alliance attacked one of my guys.. so I went and destroyed him and all his buddies. Awesome I thought! Right? wrong. Few days later now there is nobody for us to attack, nobody to fight, so we are just sitting here farming. Boring! But those are the ropes right? That is the essence of competitive games. Thats why the industry keeps taking our money I suppose. lol Agree to disagree. Good luck in your future endeavors. 1. Fixed battles?? I'm pretty sure that any corp who has more then 8 districts has stacked timers. Everyone on this forum like to boast about how strong their meta is. Well there you go the only meta aspect about PC besides district placement. TP has over 50 districts. Again work together =) 2. will you remind me what EoN did "Wrong"? 3. Why don't you split your alliance to have better fights?? Or you could always play a "better" game. Unlike your game CCP is still active in this one. They have lots of money tied up in this games success. Remember the Goon way in Eve sir. If its broken expose and exploit till its fixed. PC is Broken we want it fixed. End of story. /sshhh, conversation is over bub. I was hoping you were different, I was wrong. Its all good tho, no hard feelings. Agree to disagree. Cya later.