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N1ck Comeau wrote:

In case some may have missed it let me link It

To summarize the post strafe speeds will now be 90% of their running speed.

We'd like to introduce a penalty to shield tanking (most likely increasing the delay on shield recharge when you use shield extenders) but we wanted to buff armor first. We will be watching 1.4 closely and if necessary, add the shield delay in 1.5.
- Role skills still need to be updated to better take advantage of armor tanking.

Adjusted Armor Plate attributes - HP bonus of 85/110/135 (Basic/Enhanced/Complex) and speed penalties of 2%/3%/5% (with full skill bonuses this equates to 93.5/121/148.5)
* Adjusted Ferroscale Plate attributes - HP bonus of 35/50/75 (with full skill bonuses this equates to 38.5/55/82.5)
* Adjusted Reactive Plate attributes - HP bonus of 25/40/60 and speed penalties of 0%/1%/1% (with full skill bonuses this equates to 27.5/44/66)

So in turn this will be a great balance between shield and armour.

Armour players still move slower than shield tanked players but not mind bogglingly slow.
Shields will still have the advantage of having armour players take more damage from more guns.

The other two plates are an option now. Instead of being just there.

I've already seen a post about how this is a stealth nerf to laser weapons such as the scrambler rifle and the laser rifle. This just isn't the case.

Caldari will always have an easier time stacking extenders then they would plates. Most peoples fittings can't handle good shield mods and armour mods at the same time anyways. A good shield tanker would use regulators anyways. So in turn

Shield players will be good with shields.

Armour players are now comparable as well.

This is a stealth nerf to weapons like the mass driver though. More armour to chew through now. (Not that it will be any harder because they do so much to armour anyways.)

If all goes right so far from what i've seen announced for 1.4 I'm gonna love it, and it will revive this game for a lot of people.

Tankers you got 1.5.

On a side note, good job Wolfman, and everybody at CCP for that matter. we see your hard work, and this is a huge leap in the right direction. Keep it up.

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N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 965	Posted - 2013.08.14 15:20:00 - [1] - Quote In case some may have missed it let me link It To summarize the post strafe speeds will now be 90% of their running speed. We'd like to introduce a penalty to shield tanking (most likely increasing the delay on shield recharge when you use shield extenders) but we wanted to buff armor first. We will be watching 1.4 closely and if necessary, add the shield delay in 1.5. - Role skills still need to be updated to better take advantage of armor tanking. Adjusted Armor Plate attributes - HP bonus of 85/110/135 (Basic/Enhanced/Complex) and speed penalties of 2%/3%/5% (with full skill bonuses this equates to 93.5/121/148.5) * Adjusted Ferroscale Plate attributes - HP bonus of 35/50/75 (with full skill bonuses this equates to 38.5/55/82.5) * Adjusted Reactive Plate attributes - HP bonus of 25/40/60 and speed penalties of 0%/1%/1% (with full skill bonuses this equates to 27.5/44/66) So in turn this will be a great balance between shield and armour. Armour players still move slower than shield tanked players but not mind bogglingly slow. Shields will still have the advantage of having armour players take more damage from more guns. The other two plates are an option now. Instead of being just there. I've already seen a post about how this is a stealth nerf to laser weapons such as the scrambler rifle and the laser rifle. This just isn't the case. Caldari will always have an easier time stacking extenders then they would plates. Most peoples fittings can't handle good shield mods and armour mods at the same time anyways. A good shield tanker would use regulators anyways. So in turn Shield players will be good with shields. Armour players are now comparable as well. This is a stealth nerf to weapons like the mass driver though. More armour to chew through now. (Not that it will be any harder because they do so much to armour anyways.) If all goes right so far from what i've seen announced for 1.4 I'm gonna love it, and it will revive this game for a lot of people. Tankers you got 1.5. On a side note, good job Wolfman, and everybody at CCP for that matter. we see your hard work, and this is a huge leap in the right direction. Keep it up.
Mamertine Son R.E.B.E.L.S 122	Posted - 2013.08.14 15:26:00 - [2] - Quote excited clapping.... oh wait... I'm a caldari shield tanker... T-T
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 965	Posted - 2013.08.14 15:27:00 - [3] - Quote Mamertine Son wrote: excited clapping.... oh wait... I'm a caldari shield tanker... T-T your still faster, and explosives don't insta kill you.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5705	Posted - 2013.08.14 15:28:00 - [4] - Quote Too bad I put no points in armor plates because they sucked so hard. It's literally impossible to plan a build. This game falls so short of EVE in terms of customization and meaning it's completely laughable.
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 968	Posted - 2013.08.14 15:30:00 - [5] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Too bad I put no points in armor plates because they sucked so hard. It's literally impossible to plan a build. This game falls so short of EVE in terms of customization and meaning it's completely laughable. Armour wasn't really that bad anyways. I expect a respec anyways because of all the changes.
Smooth Assassin Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2013.08.14 15:30:00 - [6] - Quote Mamertine Son wrote: excited clapping.... oh wait... I'm a caldari shield tanker... T-T Great for us right!
Spectral Clone The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 207	Posted - 2013.08.14 15:32:00 - [7] - Quote IMO now it is certain that we will get a respec sooner or later.
Smooth Assassin Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2013.08.14 15:32:00 - [8] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Too bad I put no points in armor plates because they sucked so hard. It's literally impossible to plan a build. This game falls so short of EVE in terms of customization and meaning it's completely laughable. Armour wasn't really that bad anyways. I expect a respec anyways because of all the changes. We all do not the ones who has been here longer cos they know noobs are gonna own them.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders 554	Posted - 2013.08.14 15:34:00 - [9] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: In case some may have missed it let me link It To summarize the post strafe speeds will now be 90% of their running speed. We'd like to introduce a penalty to shield tanking (most likely increasing the delay on shield recharge when you use shield extenders) but we wanted to buff armor first. We will be watching 1.4 closely and if necessary, add the shield delay in 1.5. - Role skills still need to be updated to better take advantage of armor tanking. Adjusted Armor Plate attributes - HP bonus of 85/110/135 (Basic/Enhanced/Complex) and speed penalties of 2%/3%/5% (with full skill bonuses this equates to 93.5/121/148.5) * Adjusted Ferroscale Plate attributes - HP bonus of 35/50/75 (with full skill bonuses this equates to 38.5/55/82.5) * Adjusted Reactive Plate attributes - HP bonus of 25/40/60 and speed penalties of 0%/1%/1% (with full skill bonuses this equates to 27.5/44/66) So in turn this will be a great balance between shield and armour. Armour players still move slower than shield tanked players but not mind bogglingly slow. Shields will still have the advantage of having armour players take more damage from more guns. The other two plates are an option now. Instead of being just there. I've already seen a post about how this is a stealth nerf to laser weapons such as the scrambler rifle and the laser rifle. This just isn't the case. Caldari will always have an easier time stacking extenders then they would plates. Most peoples fittings can't handle good shield mods and armour mods at the same time anyways. A good shield tanker would use regulators anyways. So in turn Shield players will be good with shields. Armour players are now comparable as well. This is a stealth nerf to weapons like the mass driver though. More armour to chew through now. (Not that it will be any harder because they do so much to armour anyways.) If all goes right so far from what i've seen announced for 1.4 I'm gonna love it, and it will revive this game for a lot of people. Tankers you got 1.5. On a side note, good job Wolfman, and everybody at CCP for that matter. we see your hard work, and this is a huge leap in the right direction. Keep it up. Thats only part of the update I wonder what else is coming.
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 968	Posted - 2013.08.14 15:35:00 - [10] - Quote To all the shield people complaining, you're still faster, any half decent armour build will have a 10% + movement penalty because of the amount of armour. Your still more resistant to explosives. It's now that it is balanced.

Mamertine Son R.E.B.E.L.S 125	Posted - 2013.08.14 15:39:00 - [11] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: To all the shield people complaining, you're still faster, any half decent armour build will have a 10% + movement penalty because of the amount of armour. Your still more resistant to explosives. It's now that it is balanced. Yeah, I'm just sad I won't stomp over Gallente suits like I used to... sigh.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2974	Posted - 2013.08.14 15:39:00 - [12] - Quote Reactive plates now give more hp than shield extenders? Very good.
Duran Lex Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 132	Posted - 2013.08.14 15:40:00 - [13] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Too bad I put no points in armor plates because they sucked so hard. It's literally impossible to plan a build. This game falls so short of EVE in terms of customization and meaning it's completely laughable. So don't plan a build. Build what you want now, and spec into something else you want that comes later. If you want to have the new items when they come out, don't build at all and wait. I had no issues dumping my points into armor tanking, knowing one day they will balance it. Just like i had no issues dumping my points into HMG and having them nerfed into shotgun range. You will always have the ability to accrue more SP. Make a decision then live with whatever consequences that result from it.
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 283	Posted - 2013.08.14 15:42:00 - [14] - Quote I still dont think there is enough diversity with the plates to make a strategic enough of a decision to use one over the other. My thoughts are - Basic should stay as they have it listed, that is fine. Its just vanilla armor. Ferro should have the same EHP stats as basic but cost more in PG/CPU. Its an advanced form of armor so I think the penalty should be in trying to fit it and not that it has low EHP figures. Reactive should have a slight buff to EHP and slightly better regen stats There needs to be good reason to use one over the other - Basic - Lower PG/CPU costs - Ferro - Less movement speed penalty but pay for it in PG/CPU - Reactive - Trade the speed penalty for armor regen
Duran Lex Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 132	Posted - 2013.08.14 15:44:00 - [15] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Armour wasn't really that bad anyways. I expect a respec anyways because of all the changes. Perhaps SP might be refunded in certain skills depending on what they change in the Vehicle/AV patch in 1.5, but nothing like that will happen in 1.4. There would be no reason for it. Just aiming being fixed and this lovely armor balance.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5707	Posted - 2013.08.14 15:44:00 - [16] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: You will always have the ability to accrue more SP. Make a decision then live with whatever consequences that result from it. If only the game had any form of meaning or persistence that actually mattered to anyone what so ever, and I wasn't forced to use one or a few highly limited playstyles for months and months on end in order to play another. Oh boy.
steadyhand amarr Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1083	Posted - 2013.08.14 15:49:00 - [17] - Quote This is a huge step in right direction new leadership makes a hell of a difference and I hope Wolfman can see that communty interactioncan be useful as people have become a lot happer since he opened a dialog
Mamertine Son R.E.B.E.L.S 126	Posted - 2013.08.14 15:49:00 - [18] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Duran Lex wrote: You will always have the ability to accrue more SP. Make a decision then live with whatever consequences that result from it. If only the game had any form of meaning or persistence that actually mattered to anyone what so ever, and I wasn't forced to use one or a few highly limited playstyles for months and months on end in order to play another. Oh boy. I believe that's how it works in EVE (correct me if I'm wrong, i don't play) so I think they built the game with that basis in mind.
The Robot Devil Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 849	Posted - 2013.08.14 15:51:00 - [19] - Quote Evil Laugh.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5707	Posted - 2013.08.14 15:52:00 - [20] - Quote Mamertine Son wrote: I believe that's how it works in EVE (correct me if I'm wrong, i don't play) so I think they built the game with that basis in mind. I've never once felt limited in EVE. Every skill unlocks so much, you have SO many ships to choose from, so many places to go and things to do. You can just mine, do industry, explore, work with planets, kill mobs, kill bigger mobs, gank noobs, get ganked like a noob, haul freight, scam or be scammed, you actually have a physical place within the universe you're playing in, you aren't forced to grind for your SP, most SP you "spend" directly benefits you..... These games are nothing alike. I don't mean to hijack this thread, and I don't really feel like talking about this anyways. Carry on.

ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 721	Posted - 2013.08.14 16:02:00 - [21] - Quote Allowing players to tank and DPS is one slippery slope. We will see
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 971	Posted - 2013.08.14 16:32:00 - [22] - Quote Shield players already had advantages. Now armour players will also have some advantages.
Zekain Kade TeamPlayers EoN. 1469	Posted - 2013.08.14 16:34:00 - [23] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Too bad I put no points in armor plates because they sucked so hard. It's literally impossible to plan a build. This game falls so short of EVE in terms of customization and meaning it's completely laughable. Go play eve then.
Serimos Haeraven Deep Space Republic Top Men. 398	Posted - 2013.08.14 16:36:00 - [24] - Quote Still nothing for dropship pilots.. **** you CCP.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5707	Posted - 2013.08.14 16:37:00 - [25] - Quote Zekain Kade wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Too bad I put no points in armor plates because they sucked so hard. It's literally impossible to plan a build. This game falls so short of EVE in terms of customization and meaning it's completely laughable. Go play eve then. I play both. Well I don't play this too much these days, dreadfully boring. Mining in EVE is almost more exciting than this game has been these past couple months....red line or be red lined....DUST 514....your choices matter....
Zekain Kade TeamPlayers EoN. 1469	Posted - 2013.08.14 16:37:00 - [26] - Quote Serimos Haeraven wrote: Still nothing for dropship pilots.. **** you CCP. 1.5
BGoat The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 29	Posted - 2013.08.14 17:29:00 - [27] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Allowing players to tank and DPS is one slippery slope. We will see It's not like they just introduced armor tanking... being able to build a suit with high DPS and also a decent tank with armor is exactly why I went Gallente Assault. As a player that is skilled in the art of FPS gunplay, I trust in my ability to efficiently kill opponents and stacking complex damage mods is playing to my strength. This also means that I'm limited to basic plates for the most part, so I'm not getting the best of both worlds. I'm getting the best of one and a bit of the other. My goal is to kill the enemy quickly and move on to the next, not to out HP the enemy while we both dance circles around each other. Armor tanking has inherent weaknesses (movement penalties, complex repper module required for a single-digit regeneration rate), so the balance is in the ability to use damage mods.
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 665	Posted - 2013.08.14 17:54:00 - [28] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Mamertine Son wrote: excited clapping.... oh wait... I'm a caldari shield tanker... T-T your still faster, and explosives don't insta kill you. If the penalty on multiple shield extenders sucks... shield tankers are going to stack plates, 1-2 complex shield extenders and be just as tanky due to armor buff. and all those extra high slots... reduced armor speed penalty is going to just make it a slightly faster game but the true effect is going to be an overall decrease in TTK due to increased usage of damage mods (when shield buffer penalties come out) and a BUFF to mass drivers / grenade spam due to more widespread reliance on armor. I love that the suggested penalty to shield extenders puts the caldari assault's current bonuses in direct conflict with one another. roflmao Can't wait. heh
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 665	Posted - 2013.08.14 17:58:00 - [29] - Quote Serimos Haeraven wrote: Still nothing for dropship pilots.. **** you CCP. They're conducting battlefield triage on the shitstorm of issues in this game bro. Have patience ... the harsh reality is that more players are affected by core aiming issues and the armor vs. shield issues than there are dropship pilots and tankers in the game. You are a valued minority, but your needs must be prioritized with the realization that you are a minority. Sucks, and we all empathize, but thems' da breaks... ... cuz dollas yo.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 577	Posted - 2013.08.14 18:13:00 - [30] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Too bad I put no points in armor plates because they sucked so hard. It's literally impossible to plan a build. This game falls so short of EVE in terms of customization and meaning it's completely laughable. I know you're not just another fotm freak but come on. You sound just like one. Lemme quote it again: DUST Fiend wrote: Too bad I put no points in armor plates because they sucked so hard. Now they don't suck as much and the qq begins. Surprise.



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