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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5708
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Posted - 2013.08.14 18:17:00 -
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Repe Susi wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Too bad I put no points in armor plates because they sucked so hard.
It's literally impossible to plan a build.
This game falls so short of EVE in terms of customization and meaning it's completely laughable. I know you're not just another fotm freak but come on. You sound just like one. Lemme quote it again: DUST Fiend wrote:Too bad I put no points in armor plates because they sucked so hard. Now they don't suck as much and the qq begins. Surprise. I actually still have no interest in armor plates, more or less just poking at the fact that our decisions have absolutely no meaning because they can only relate to how well our Crystal Ball functions.
Basically your choices don't matter because CCP has no idea what they're doing with their game, made obvious by how often balance swings in random ass directions for random amounts of time. |
Repe Susi
Rautaleijona Top Men.
577
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Posted - 2013.08.14 18:31:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Repe Susi wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Too bad I put no points in armor plates because they sucked so hard.
It's literally impossible to plan a build.
This game falls so short of EVE in terms of customization and meaning it's completely laughable. I know you're not just another fotm freak but come on. You sound just like one. Lemme quote it again: DUST Fiend wrote:Too bad I put no points in armor plates because they sucked so hard. Now they don't suck as much and the qq begins. Surprise. I actually still have no interest in armor plates, more or less just poking at the fact that our decisions have absolutely no meaning because they can only relate to how well our Crystal Ball functions. Basically your choices don't matter because CCP has no idea what they're doing with their game, made obvious by how often balance swings in random ass directions for random amounts of time.
I see what you mean and partly agree with it also. We have different principles though. I need my protective shell so I see the benefit of speccing in them be they shields or armor and now it seems to pay off in a way. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3386
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Posted - 2013.08.14 18:40:00 -
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good things? All i see is an increase in MD usage, and more people looking to get proto nades fitted.
Balance between armor and shields? No. You know why?
There's no race symmetry going on. By that I mean there's more weapons available that do more dmg to armor than they do on shields.
You might argue this by saying SR and MD's... true, but SR don't have splash dmg. Flux nades and Locus nades...true, but flux nades don't insta kill. The fact that explosive weapons do more dmg to armor than shields ALONE is stupid. No skill in spamming explosives on the ground to get splash dmg.
There's no real balance unless weapons that have splash dmg gets a hybrid version. As it is, only armor gets penalized with splash.
Also armor still need reps also, while shields don't, and tbh, the current reps are a joke. That needs a buff as well. |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
484
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Posted - 2013.08.14 18:50:00 -
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I actually invested in armor plates, mostly because I play heavy, and that's basically the only kind of tank I can stack. so yay! I'll get an extra hundred or so armor, keep upgrading and eventually, be able to soak grenades while in my armor. basically, I'll get to actually play as the heavy, not some chump who gets killed because you can either have enough health to not die to direct fire, or you can be fast enough to escape an uncooked grenade. |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
399
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Posted - 2013.08.14 19:05:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:Still nothing for dropship pilots.. **** you CCP. They're conducting battlefield triage on the shitstorm of issues in this game bro. Have patience ... the harsh reality is that more players are affected by core aiming issues and the armor vs. shield issues than there are dropship pilots and tankers in the game. You are a valued minority, but your needs must be prioritized with the realization that you are a minority. Sucks, and we all empathize, but thems' da breaks... ... cuz dollas yo. Actually, Dropship pilots have faced more bullshit since chromosome than any other person in Dust, primarilly because there are so many different issues that plauge everything about dropships. You want to make money being a pilot? Sure, but you have to go 10 games without getting shot down once to just earn 1 proto dropship, and RDV's destroy at least 1 of my dropships every 7-9 games. Also, logistics dropship pilots are unable to earn any WPs thanks to CCP's negligance in letting pilots earn WP for each player spawned in from a mobile CRU, that issue has been around since dropships were put in the game, and CCP even responded to the issue 5 months ago saying they would fix it immediately.
Dropships have had the same bugs they had since chromosome, where as many of the new fixes they are addressing are all because of Uprising having many different issues upon release. In my opinion, dropships deserve the first buff or update than any other person/thing in all of Dust, because they have been broken for ages, with simple fixes able to resolve the issue. But CCP seems to just not be doing it. I have had patience, believe me, many other dropship pilots and I have HTFU way long ago, and now it's just getting absolutely laughable. |
Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
443
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Posted - 2013.08.14 19:43:00 -
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I don't understand how a gallente skinny little suit is armor. While a more boxy suit with plating on it is shield. |
N1ck Comeau
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
977
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Posted - 2013.08.14 20:11:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:I don't understand how a gallente skinny little suit is armor. While a more boxy suit with plating on it is shield. just style. |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1023
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Posted - 2013.08.14 20:13:00 -
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Scouts might actually be viable now. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
886
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Posted - 2013.08.14 20:15:00 -
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Why would you nerf shields while buffing armor? I'm betting that it goes too far and armor tanks with damage mods out the ying-yang with cut through shields like butter.
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R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
331
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Posted - 2013.08.14 21:05:00 -
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Dropships are clearly OP, why is there no nerf in 1.4?
They should automatically blow up if pilots don't hold perfectly still once every 60sec. Right now it's too hard to kill them. If CCP somehow forced them to stay perfectly still for like 15sec, it would make it easier (read: fairer) to kill them.
Also, they aren't colourful enough. It's sometimes too hard to spot them. Make them bright pink.
FG and SL should OHK dropships.
Turrets should OHK dropships.
Make it so that 1 out of 3 DS gets killed by RDVs.
Right now they don't need to refuel. Force them to refuel every 2min.
Because...clearly dropship pilots haven't suffered enough.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1260
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Posted - 2013.08.14 21:06:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Too bad I put no points in armor plates because they sucked so hard.
It's literally impossible to plan a build.
This game falls so short of EVE in terms of customization and meaning it's completely laughable. Armour wasn't really that bad anyways. I expect a respec anyways because of all the changes. Nope those Caldari bastards don't deserve one |
Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
393
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Posted - 2013.08.14 21:39:00 -
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Mamertine Son wrote:N1ck Comeau wrote:To all the shield people complaining, you're still faster, any half decent armour build will have a 10% + movement penalty because of the amount of armour.
Your still more resistant to explosives.
It's now that it is balanced. Yeah, I'm just sad I won't stomp over Gallente suits like I used to... sigh. Bro but you use the Scr anyway? |
Duran Lex
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
134
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Posted - 2013.08.15 02:48:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Duran Lex wrote:You will always have the ability to accrue more SP. Make a decision then live with whatever consequences that result from it.
If only the game had any form of meaning or persistence that actually mattered to anyone what so ever, and I wasn't forced to use one or a few highly limited playstyles for months and months on end in order to play another. Oh boy.
Late response, i know.
After maxing armor, shields and CPU/PG skills i can pretty much spec advanced into anything and do quite well in it.(Minus vehicles of course) Even with some suits using STD modules.
So...prototype is only necessary for something you truly want to shine in.
If you want to shine in everything the game has to offer, shouldn't you have to work for it? |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
2699
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Posted - 2013.08.15 02:59:00 -
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I knew I skilled into armor for a reason.
Take that FotM Cal Logi shield tankers. |
Duran Lex
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
135
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Posted - 2013.08.15 03:03:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:I knew I skilled into armor for a reason.
Take that FotM Cal Logi shield tankers.
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Miokai Zahou
Film Actors Guilds
21
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Posted - 2013.08.15 03:09:00 -
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Good news for me as I dual tank anyway, more HP and faster running mwhahaha... now where is my AR... |
Poplo Furuya
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
642
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Posted - 2013.08.15 03:14:00 -
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I like it. If armour becomes popular gives my MinLogi more to do, Triage Hives for everyone!
The possible nod to Gallente Assault getting shield recharge switched out to something armour based is also promising.
...what's going on? What is this feeling? Could it be... optimism?
Truly a baffling phenomenon. |
Acezero 44
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
144
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Posted - 2013.08.15 03:15:00 -
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In 1.4 they turn the Aimbot back on,
Armor and shields wont matter anymore,
The good players will become gods and heros,
The SR will rise up and be a boss of the Arena.
The laser will have its glory back,
And the Tac AR will be the last word..
Just a few things I see in my crystal ball,. |
N1ck Comeau
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
979
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Posted - 2013.08.15 03:16:00 -
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Acezero 44 wrote:In 1.4 they turn the Aimbot back on, Armor and shields wont matter anymore, The good players will become gods and heros, The SR will rise up and be a boss of the Arena. The laser will have its glory back, And the Tac AR will be the last word.. Just a few things I see in my crystal ball,. must be a stupid ball |
Poplo Furuya
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
642
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Posted - 2013.08.15 03:20:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:Acezero 44 wrote:In 1.4 they turn the Aimbot back on, Armor and shields wont matter anymore, The good players will become gods and heros, The SR will rise up and be a boss of the Arena. The laser will have its glory back, And the Tac AR will be the last word.. Just a few things I see in my crystal ball,. must be a stupid ball I gazed into that abyss and saw myself staring back. |
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OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
362
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Posted - 2013.08.15 03:53:00 -
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Wholly friggen scout nerf ccP man! So you mean to tell me that my wimpy mini scout needs to use armor instead of speed an cardiac mods now because the two or 3 wimpy shields I get are getting there recharge rate nerfed, when you have no choice but to use shields an no armor if u wish to live?
So basically gallente scout is the choice now? Fak damn ccp fix the bloodclot scout stats someday soon geeeeeezzzzz |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy
565
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Posted - 2013.08.15 04:05:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Scouts might actually be viable now. Lawlz. No chance.
*Shakes fist. Struggles with boot on neck.* |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1242
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Posted - 2013.08.15 04:15:00 -
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I'm actually fearing a bit what this could mean for Gallente light suits, very good for them. But note that I said light suits, not scout. The scout is still worthless, but the light frame will be able to tank a good bit. |
Eris Ernaga
Super Nerds
422
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Posted - 2013.08.15 04:17:00 -
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BGoat wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Allowing players to tank and DPS is one slippery slope.
We will see It's not like they just introduced armor tanking... being able to build a suit with high DPS and also a decent tank with armor is exactly why I went Gallente Assault. As a player that is skilled in the art of FPS gunplay, I trust in my ability to efficiently kill opponents and stacking complex damage mods is playing to my strength. This also means that I'm limited to basic plates for the most part, so I'm not getting the best of both worlds. I'm getting the best of one and a bit of the other. My goal is to kill the enemy quickly and move on to the next, not to out HP the enemy while we both dance circles around each other. Armor tanking has inherent weaknesses (movement penalties, complex repper module required for a single-digit regeneration rate), so the balance is in the ability to use damage mods.
yes plus rep tools that can rep faster then any shield ay? find a logi stick with him. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4223
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Posted - 2013.08.15 04:17:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Too bad I put no points in armor plates because they sucked so hard.
It's literally impossible to plan a build.
This game falls so short of EVE in terms of customization and meaning it's completely laughable. You can thank forum QQ and backseat gamers for that. Oh wait, look at who I'm quoting... |
Acezero 44
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
144
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Posted - 2013.08.15 04:21:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Too bad I put no points in armor plates because they sucked so hard.
It's literally impossible to plan a build.
This game falls so short of EVE in terms of customization and meaning it's completely laughable. You can thank forum QQ and backseat gamers for that. Oh wait, look at who I'm quoting...
Correction, he is a driver. I never seen him outside his LAV. |
N1ck Comeau
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
993
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Posted - 2013.08.15 15:21:00 -
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Eris Ernaga wrote:BGoat wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Allowing players to tank and DPS is one slippery slope.
We will see It's not like they just introduced armor tanking... being able to build a suit with high DPS and also a decent tank with armor is exactly why I went Gallente Assault. As a player that is skilled in the art of FPS gunplay, I trust in my ability to efficiently kill opponents and stacking complex damage mods is playing to my strength. This also means that I'm limited to basic plates for the most part, so I'm not getting the best of both worlds. I'm getting the best of one and a bit of the other. My goal is to kill the enemy quickly and move on to the next, not to out HP the enemy while we both dance circles around each other. Armor tanking has inherent weaknesses (movement penalties, complex repper module required for a single-digit regeneration rate), so the balance is in the ability to use damage mods. yes plus rep tools that can rep faster then any shield ay? find a logi stick with him. Yea logi + a heavy is a great combo |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5745
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Posted - 2013.08.15 15:33:00 -
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Acezero 44 wrote:Cosgar wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Too bad I put no points in armor plates because they sucked so hard.
It's literally impossible to plan a build.
This game falls so short of EVE in terms of customization and meaning it's completely laughable. You can thank forum QQ and backseat gamers for that. Oh wait, look at who I'm quoting... Correction, he is a driver. I never seen him outside his LAV. I rarely use my BPO LAV except to get from A to B, aside from that time I was running everyone over because this game is sad
And Cosgar, I was unaware that forum goers programmed this game.
We must have introduced the flaylock, bad vehicle controls, terrible hit detection, crippling lag and disconnects, quicksand terrain, glitchy graphics, terrible shield vs armor balance, explosive dominance, total lack of meaningful connection with EVE, highly limited builds, a terrible SP system that promotes boredom over evolution, 5 maps, Caldari warbarges for all....
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N1ck Comeau
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
993
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Posted - 2013.08.15 15:41:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Acezero 44 wrote:Cosgar wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Too bad I put no points in armor plates because they sucked so hard.
It's literally impossible to plan a build.
This game falls so short of EVE in terms of customization and meaning it's completely laughable. You can thank forum QQ and backseat gamers for that. Oh wait, look at who I'm quoting... Correction, he is a driver. I never seen him outside his LAV. I rarely use my BPO LAV except to get from A to B, aside from that time I was running everyone over because this game is sad And Cosgar, I was unaware that forum goers programmed this game. We must have introduced the flaylock, bad vehicle controls, terrible hit detection, crippling lag and disconnects, quicksand terrain, glitchy graphics, terrible shield vs armor balance, explosive dominance, total lack of meaningful connection with EVE, highly limited builds, a terrible SP system that promotes boredom over evolution, 5 maps, Caldari warbarges for all.... come on guys, take it outside |
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