If CCP wants Dust population to grow and survive, they're better off giving proto users the shaft.

I find it funny when they talk about nerfs cause the death of Dust when in fact they themselves probably causing it by making people rage quit over proto stopping. you can say HTFU as much as you want, skill will only get you so far when you're facing people with twice as much eHP as you when you're fresh out of the academy.

Using better and better Dropsuits/Weapons/Equipment/Modules/Vehicles is kind of the point in this game. It makes you better and better at killing people.

Only scrubs proto stomp

I need a crutch to play, but don't want any of the negatives of it. So imma whine.

"Only scrubs don't play the game the way I want them to play it."

If CCP wants Dust population to grow and survive, they're better off giving proto users the shaft.

I find it funny when they talk about nerfs cause the death of Dust when in fact they themselves probably causing it by making people rage quit over proto stopping. you can say HTFU as much as you want, skill will only get you so far when you're facing people with twice as much eHP as you when you're fresh out of the academy.

That is why when I'm on the barge I am in my free militia suit, but once I am in I game my true colors shine. Pearl black tuxedo with a chrome plated HMG ready to make your day a whole lot worse than it is now

Earn your stripes you say?
You got you're mega amounts of SP when everybody had similar amounts of SP. You, have never played a protostomp on the receiving end.

I don't understand why everyone seems so concerned about new guys quitting. None of you faced proto or overwhelming odds when you began? I sure as f*** did.

From what I'm reading the consensus seems to be that the bar should be forever low, that way anyone who wants to stroll into Dust can be as good as everyone else. Da fuq

Its way to time consuming to get proto heavy last level is like 1.2 million sp thats like 3 weeks of just playing with the same weapons

hell i have to put 400k into heavy this week in order to unlock a suit that will allow me to put stuff on it that i still don't have unlocked

This is why I posted on this thread. I really think it's not that people want the bars lowered, they just want a way to play with people on their level. This does not mean take protos away from those who have them, but develop a matchmaking system that does not put recent academy graduates with less than 1 million SP against people with 10-15 million SP. It's not about lowering the bar, it's about giving people a chance to enjoy the game without facing the best players on a regular basis.

What I don't get is why those with proto equipment get so defensive about their playing style. In general they are at a great advantage and seem to get upset when people acknowledge that playing against them is a mismatch (i believe someone called it punishment?). Regardless, I'm really relieved to see that some people from the big corps like Tallen enjoy the test of skill rather than hazing new players with proto gear. Hats off to you sirs. Good to know I can actually compete with some of you vets in pub matches and not wonder if it was just the suit that beat me.

regarding dropsuits, the current design seems to be proto = retardedly high HP, with more or less the same auxiliary stats. This is all kinds of ******** in an FPS. I'd much rather see the HP advantage of protosuits cut down a bit, with more of their advantage put into superior electronics/detection, speed, stamina, and HP/stam recovery.

I believe he means this group of threads which contain an entirely theoretical balancing idea. Which btw this thread is bow a part of, it's on the topic so in it goes. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1166696#post1166696

I don't think playing against someone in a proto suit is a mismatch only because I've lost proto suits against militia and I've taken out proto suits in militia. Is it an advantage? Hell yes. I don't go into a fight looking to be disadvantaged. I shoot people in the back if I can. I out range them. Out damage them. This whole idea of a fair fight with tanks, heavy suits with miniguns and weapons with vastly different damage profiles seems asinine.

This isn't the wild west where we walk 10 paces and shoot each other. We don't line up and take shots at each other like its World War I. The goal is to eliminate the enemy, period. I can't even tell a new player from a vet in militia, should I stop and ask before shooting them?

I agree about the matchmaking needing to be adjusted, but as far as I'm aware, that system is being developed currently. Until then all the threads about the subject don't do anything.

Finally, since when does being in a proto suit mean you won't get stomped by the other team? I guess I'm playing a different game because having a proto suit hasn't stopped me from being on the receiving end of a well run corp stomp.

I've heard of pub stomping (getting 5 of your best players decked out to the ass whipping)

But just using proto is considered 'stomping' now?

The only ones complaining about proto are the ones not skilled into it. I worked hard to earn mine and to have some newbie better known as captain BUTTHURT straight out of the academy try and get it taken away can suck it. This is not COD BF or any other lame ass FPS. This is grind country baby and I have grinded my way thru a lot of beatdowns to get were I am at. So captain BUTTHURT earn your freakin stripes like the rest of us or GTFA.