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XxGhazbaranxX
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.08.13 11:43:00 -
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Dear CCP,
I have been using this weapon a lot now and frankly all this nonsense that the weapon is useless is false. Talk to any of my mates and they will tell you how I left My mass driver in the forgotten pile for it. This weapon does not need to be touched in any way whatsoever... Do not touch it or the bunny gets it. The only reason people say this weapon is UP (under powered) is because they haven't given it a chance. I specced into level 1 and bought 100 of them. Used them up and then bought 100 more. I am now up to the proto level and am loving it.
PLEASE CCP DO NOT DUMB DOWN THIS WEAPON
CCP; if you feel the need to make any changes at all, make the changes to the skills that modify it. Below is a list of changes that will make the plasma cannon be useful in the right hands
- Plasma cannon operation: change the 5% to charge time for a 10% to charge time. This will cut the charge time to .3 second instead of the .45 we get by having the skill at level 5. This would make the weapon more responsive when in the hands of a skilled user.
- The ammo capacity skill: change it to 1 extra cylinder per level. That way we get one more shot per level out of an already crazily low ammo supply which is currently 9. That will bring the total count to 14 at level 5 which requires a heavy investment and anyone who chooses to get the skill to level 5 deserves the extra ammo.
- Change rapid reload skill from 3% per level to 10% per level for a reload time, at level 5 mind you, of 1.75 second which can be rounded up to 2 seconds from the 2.9 reload speed we have at level 5 right now. (shaving off 1.5 seconds)
CCP, This weapon is awesome, inspiring and satisfying to use. Having the knowledge that you have mastered such a difficult weapon is a reward in it's own right. If you change this weapon the only reward left will be knowing that you used it when it was truly a weapon to be mastered. |
Zero Notion
Red Star Jr. EoN.
186
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Posted - 2013.08.13 11:44:00 -
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Plasma Cannon is clearly OP. Please nerf, CCP. |
XxGhazbaranxX
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
254
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Posted - 2013.08.13 11:46:00 -
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trolololol
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Interplanetary Insanitarium
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
82
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Posted - 2013.08.13 11:51:00 -
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It would be funny if they changed every plasma cannon but the ones you buy. That would be an appreciable troll.
But like, it was a coin toss if you got the bad Plasma Cannon or the great Plasma Cannon |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
908
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Posted - 2013.08.13 11:52:00 -
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So you found a way to exploit a design fraud, and you want the PC to stay the same so you can get the "Occasional" easy kill ?
I found that the design fraud too ... but is not how the PC suppose to work. I rather have the PC working as its intended, than getting few easy kills doing something that the PC is not design to do by definition. |
Zero Notion
Red Star Jr. EoN.
187
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Posted - 2013.08.13 11:54:00 -
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Personally, I'd like a non-swarm Launcher option if I have to spec into AV at all and the PC is originally meant to be such a weapon. Right now it's just a plasma-shotgun. |
Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
169
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Posted - 2013.08.13 11:59:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:So you found a way to exploit a design fraud, and you want the PC to stay the same so you can get the "Occasional" easy kill ?
I found that the design fraud too ... but is not how the PC suppose to work. I rather have the PC working as its intended, than getting few easy kills doing something that the PC is not design to do by definition.
I hope you don't mean to think of it as an AV weapon. That'd be silly for a weapon designed for confined space combat. It's working as intended when used as a close range weapon. |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
908
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Posted - 2013.08.13 12:03:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:So you found a way to exploit a design fraud, and you want the PC to stay the same so you can get the "Occasional" easy kill ?
I found that the design fraud too ... but is not how the PC suppose to work. I rather have the PC working as its intended, than getting few easy kills doing something that the PC is not design to do by definition. I hope you don't mean to think of it as an AV weapon. That'd be silly for a weapon designed for confined space combat. It's working as intended when used as a close range weapon.
So what the Plasma Cannon is the deign for ? A one-shot-kill close range weapon ? I thought we have the shotgun for that... |
Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
169
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Posted - 2013.08.13 12:06:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:So what the Plasma Cannon is the design for ? A one-shot-kill close range weapon ? I thought we have the shotgun for that...
Comrade, in the words of the description: "Plasma cannons are a single-shot and a direct-fire weapon developed by the Allotek Industry for use in urban operations and confined space combat. The dense plasma discharge it generates is highly unstable, decaying rapidly and venting sufficient heat and energy to severely damage targets within its critical emission radius."
It's working as intended, and will vastly improve when the hit detection is cleared. o7
Added edit: I have a love for the Plasma Cannon and it's not unusual to see me running around in a light frame with one. |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2013.08.13 12:08:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:So you found a way to exploit a design fraud, and you want the PC to stay the same so you can get the "Occasional" easy kill ?
I found that the design fraud too ... but is not how the PC suppose to work. I rather have the PC working as its intended, than getting few easy kills doing something that the PC is not design to do by definition. I hope you don't mean to think of it as an AV weapon. That'd be silly for a weapon designed for confined space combat. It's working as intended when used as a close range weapon. It was released as an Anti Vehicle weapon.. They even have bonuses vs cars and tanks... Did you ever stop to question the low ammo count similar to other av weapons? Or the fact that both cars and tanks can be used in "urban combat"? |
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THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
91
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Posted - 2013.08.13 12:11:00 -
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YEA CCP DONT DUMB DOWN THIS WEAPON, DUMB IT UP |
XxGhazbaranxX
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
256
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Posted - 2013.08.13 12:15:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:So you found a way to exploit a design fraud, and you want the PC to stay the same so you can get the "Occasional" easy kill ?
I found that the design fraud too ... but is not how the PC suppose to work. I rather have the PC working as its intended, than getting few easy kills doing something that the PC is not design to do by definition.
Easy one shot kills? Have you used a plasma cannon. Have you ever seen a kill feed where the plasma cannon dominates. The description of the weapon is clear. The projectile very visible. The projectile is slower than the speed at which you fall. The reload speed of 3.5 seconds is a huge deterrent; the projectile drop awkward at best. It can't OHK with splash I have the numbers even with spec 5 at proto level with 3 complex damage mods which BTW would be a total of 400 damage which is less than the total HP of most protype suits while using proto PC.
I never thought I would see the day. A shameful day indeed when a person is clearly hurt by being killed by the underdog of all weapons in dust. |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
908
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Posted - 2013.08.13 12:21:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:So you found a way to exploit a design fraud, and you want the PC to stay the same so you can get the "Occasional" easy kill ?
I found that the design fraud too ... but is not how the PC suppose to work. I rather have the PC working as its intended, than getting few easy kills doing something that the PC is not design to do by definition. Easy one shot kills? Have you used a plasma cannon. Have you ever seen a kill feed where the plasma cannon dominates. The description of the weapon is clear. The projectile very visible. The projectile is slower than the speed at which you fall. The reload speed of 3.5 seconds is a huge deterrent; the projectile drop awkward at best. It can't OHK with splash I have the numbers even with spec 5 at proto level with 3 complex damage mods which BTW would be a total of 400 damage which is less than the total HP of most protype suits. I never thought I would see the day. A shameful day indeed when a person is clearly hurt by being killed by the underdog of all weapons in dust.
I was one of the first ones to use the Plasma Cannon and also saw it's potential with the Commando suit very quickly. And I can talk you that to make the PC effective right now, you have to use it as a Shotgun.. Surprise tactics / Shot people in the back when they not looking... and i'm pretty sure that is not how you suppose to use the PC. |
Ruthless Lee
The Eliminators
41
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Posted - 2013.08.13 12:25:00 -
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Sigh.
This is why we can't have nice things. |
XxGhazbaranxX
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
256
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Posted - 2013.08.13 12:26:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:So you found a way to exploit a design fraud, and you want the PC to stay the same so you can get the "Occasional" easy kill ?
I found that the design fraud too ... but is not how the PC suppose to work. I rather have the PC working as its intended, than getting few easy kills doing something that the PC is not design to do by definition. Easy one shot kills? Have you used a plasma cannon. Have you ever seen a kill feed where the plasma cannon dominates. The description of the weapon is clear. The projectile very visible. The projectile is slower than the speed at which you fall. The reload speed of 3.5 seconds is a huge deterrent; the projectile drop awkward at best. It can't OHK with splash I have the numbers even with spec 5 at proto level with 3 complex damage mods which BTW would be a total of 400 damage which is less than the total HP of most protype suits. I never thought I would see the day. A shameful day indeed when a person is clearly hurt by being killed by the underdog of all weapons in dust. I was one of the first ones to use the Plasma Cannon and also saw it's potential with the Commando suit very quickly. And I can talk you that to make the PC effective right now, you have to use it as a Shotgun.. Surprise tactics / Shot people in the back when they not looking... and i'm pretty sure that is not how you suppose to use the PC.
Da hell; As a shotgun? Surprise Tactics? I am truelly sorry but I have never used it in such a manner. I fight face to face with it. I die and I kill just as with any AR, SR, MD, SMG, HMG.
Just because you can't use it any other way doesnt mean it's not effective any other way. I have to strongly disagree with how you think the plasma cannon is used effectively. |
RedRebelCork
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
325
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Posted - 2013.08.13 12:30:00 -
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Nah, it's garbage. |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
908
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Posted - 2013.08.13 12:30:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:So you found a way to exploit a design fraud, and you want the PC to stay the same so you can get the "Occasional" easy kill ?
I found that the design fraud too ... but is not how the PC suppose to work. I rather have the PC working as its intended, than getting few easy kills doing something that the PC is not design to do by definition. Easy one shot kills? Have you used a plasma cannon. Have you ever seen a kill feed where the plasma cannon dominates. The description of the weapon is clear. The projectile very visible. The projectile is slower than the speed at which you fall. The reload speed of 3.5 seconds is a huge deterrent; the projectile drop awkward at best. It can't OHK with splash I have the numbers even with spec 5 at proto level with 3 complex damage mods which BTW would be a total of 400 damage which is less than the total HP of most protype suits. I never thought I would see the day. A shameful day indeed when a person is clearly hurt by being killed by the underdog of all weapons in dust. I was one of the first ones to use the Plasma Cannon and also saw it's potential with the Commando suit very quickly. And I can talk you that to make the PC effective right now, you have to use it as a Shotgun.. Surprise tactics / Shot people in the back when they not looking... and i'm pretty sure that is not how you suppose to use the PC. Da hell; As a shotgun? Surprise Tactics? I am truelly sorry but I have never used it in such a manner. I fight face to face with it. I die and I kill just as with any AR, SR, MD, SMG, HMG. Just because you can't use it any other way doesnt mean it's not effective any other way. I have to strongly disagree with how you think the plasma cannon is used effectively.
You have to be the biggest Troll in Dust 514 history ... but carry on... I will recommend you to "TRY" the PC, before you embarrass yourself even more.
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XxGhazbaranxX
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
256
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Posted - 2013.08.13 12:32:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:So you found a way to exploit a design fraud, and you want the PC to stay the same so you can get the "Occasional" easy kill ?
I found that the design fraud too ... but is not how the PC suppose to work. I rather have the PC working as its intended, than getting few easy kills doing something that the PC is not design to do by definition. Easy one shot kills? Have you used a plasma cannon. Have you ever seen a kill feed where the plasma cannon dominates. The description of the weapon is clear. The projectile very visible. The projectile is slower than the speed at which you fall. The reload speed of 3.5 seconds is a huge deterrent; the projectile drop awkward at best. It can't OHK with splash I have the numbers even with spec 5 at proto level with 3 complex damage mods which BTW would be a total of 400 damage which is less than the total HP of most protype suits. I never thought I would see the day. A shameful day indeed when a person is clearly hurt by being killed by the underdog of all weapons in dust. I was one of the first ones to use the Plasma Cannon and also saw it's potential with the Commando suit very quickly. And I can talk you that to make the PC effective right now, you have to use it as a Shotgun.. Surprise tactics / Shot people in the back when they not looking... and i'm pretty sure that is not how you suppose to use the PC. Da hell; As a shotgun? Surprise Tactics? I am truelly sorry but I have never used it in such a manner. I fight face to face with it. I die and I kill just as with any AR, SR, MD, SMG, HMG. Just because you can't use it any other way doesnt mean it's not effective any other way. I have to strongly disagree with how you think the plasma cannon is used effectively. You have to be the biggest Troll in Dust 514 history ... but carry on... I will recommend you to "TRY" the PC, before you embarrass yourself even more.
I guess we have to agree to disagree. I main the PC just so you know ^^ |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
97
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Posted - 2013.08.13 12:35:00 -
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Well CCP announced the Plasma cannon as light dumbfire AV weapon and as such it fails horribly right now its basicly used as an Anty Infantry weapon similar to a massdriver and I doubt that this the way it was meant to be used. I would be pretty happy when the PC becomes a viable (short range) alternative to the swarmlauncher.
I really hated to skill into SL to get a light Av option apart from grenades I had high hopes for PC but its justs not usable as an AV weapon :/ |
Mamertine Son
R.E.B.E.L.S
103
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Posted - 2013.08.13 12:36:00 -
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DO IT CCP, touch his plasma cannon! |
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Zero Notion
Red Star Jr. EoN.
188
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Posted - 2013.08.13 12:37:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:So what the Plasma Cannon is the design for ? A one-shot-kill close range weapon ? I thought we have the shotgun for that... Comrade, in the words of the description: "Plasma cannons are a single-shot and a direct-fire weapon developed by the Allotek Industry for use in urban operations and confined space combat. The dense plasma discharge it generates is highly unstable, decaying rapidly and venting sufficient heat and energy to severely damage targets within its critical emission radius." It's working as intended, and will vastly improve when the hit detection is cleared. o7 Added edit: I have a love for the Plasma Cannon and it's not unusual to see me running around in a light frame with one.
Right. It's meant to be get close to vehicles and wipe them out. Nowhere does it say 'infantry' but, of course, it can be used as such. It's already slated for review. |
Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
169
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Posted - 2013.08.13 12:42:00 -
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Zero Notion wrote: Right. It's meant to be get close to vehicles and wipe them out. Nowhere does it say 'infantry' but, of course, it can be used as such. It's already slated for review.
On the flip side of that, it also doesn't say "vehicles", but we all know that it was meant to be also used for it. I hope that this upcoming "look" of their's doesn't damper the anti-infantry use of it. I've been wanting to use it for vehicles for a while, but FG is currently the anti-vehicle gun for now*.
*Not including Swarm Launchers in this statement.
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Jason Pearson
Seraphim Auxiliaries
2485
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Posted - 2013.08.13 12:53:00 -
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Isn't it the Gallente AV weapon? It's **** for the job, I laugh when I see it fly harmlessly past everything.
King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7199
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Posted - 2013.08.13 12:58:00 -
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The odder part is without changing code I don't see how to buff it operational wise. |
Ruthless Lee
The Eliminators
42
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Posted - 2013.08.13 13:02:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Isn't it the Gallente AV weapon? It's **** for the job, I laugh when I see it fly harmlessly past everything.
King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here!Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
Well, I'd say any weapon that people miss the shot with isn't going to be very effective |
XxGhazbaranxX
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
257
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Posted - 2013.08.13 13:11:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:The odder part is without changing code I don't see how to buff it operational wise.
There is no need. People haven't been using this weapon as it's supposed to be used; CQC. If you remember the video showing off the weapon the vehicle had to be close to the user. People havent actually given this weapon chance enough therefore saying it needs change. I've been using it nonstop, in a gallente logi mind you, so there is no cheating with a side arm and no one can tell me that the strd gallente is a battle worthy suit but The weapon still does it's job well. I kill tanks and LAVs infantry, you name it.
The fix is to change the bonuses given to the weapon by skills. Therefore people who are actually good with the weapon can skill into it and not have it be undewhelming; which in my opinion, the weapon is not underwhelming but balanced.
Even the projectile speed was made with balance in mind. An infantryman can quickly sidestep it and do so on a regular basis.
I really don't see what all this hype is about. It is one of the most balanced weapons in the game. All that damage potential is balanced by the need to understand and break into the weapon and it's mechanics because no other weapon behave in the manner this weapon does.
If this weapon is to be touched I seriously think CCP would make a huge error in judgement listening to people who don't give the weapon a second look after using maybe 10 or 20 of them.
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
169
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Posted - 2013.08.13 13:35:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:There is no need. People haven't been using this weapon as it's supposed to be used; CQC. If you remember the video showing off the weapon the vehicle had to be close to the user. People havent actually given this weapon chance enough therefore saying it needs change. I've been using it nonstop, in a gallente logi mind you, so there is no cheating with a side arm and no one can tell me that the strd gallente is a battle worthy suit but The weapon still does it's job well. I kill tanks and LAVs infantry, you name it.
The fix is to change the bonuses given to the weapon by skills. Therefore people who are actually good with the weapon can skill into it and not have it be undewhelming; which in my opinion, the weapon is not underwhelming but balanced.
Even the projectile speed was made with balance in mind. An infantryman can quickly sidestep it and do so on a regular basis.
I really don't see what all this hype is about. It is one of the most balanced weapons in the game. All that damage potential is balanced by the need to understand and break into the weapon and it's mechanics because no other weapon behave in the manner this weapon does.
If this weapon is to be touched I seriously think CCP would make a huge error in judgement listening to people who don't give the weapon a second look after using maybe 10 or 20 of them.
That's the problem. People don't like balanced weapons.
Joking aside (well, half joking), if people actually cared to use half these weapons that they yell "nerf, nerf!" or "buff, buff!" at, we'd have a lot less of these cries. It doesn't matter if there are those of us with enough decency to try gear; they'll cry until it's FotM or removed from FotM.
Added note: I've been white knighting the PC for a while now. I think it's perfection as it is. Then again, I love arc weapons that can't be spammed to hell like a certain other weapon.
Ahhh... Flak Cannon... I miss you... |
Ruthless Lee
The Eliminators
42
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Posted - 2013.08.13 13:42:00 -
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Listen, just because it's not as easy to pick up and use as an AR doesn't mean it's useless vs. infantry. And just because it's not as easy to pick up and use as a Swarm Launcher doesn't mean it's useless as AV.
It takes practice, but if you make your shots, it does the job. If you use it for awhile and decide it's not for you ... move on. Go try out another weapon. But don't assume that because you're poor with the plasma cannon that the plasma cannon needs a buff.
For example ... I am the one guy on this game who is crap with a forge gun. Somehow ... I am terrible with the thing. I don't know how that's possible, but I can't imagine anyone is worse with a forge gun than I am. So you know what? I'm not too worried about it. If people can use it effectively (and obviously, many can), then good on them. More power to 'em.
But I'm not requesting that CCP change the weapon to suit me. I'll just keep using my plasma cannon ... which I would like you all to quit worrying about |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7200
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Posted - 2013.08.13 13:47:00 -
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All I know is that its working outside of operational parameters, then again so can the mass driver vs vehicles. Just right now for AV duties its not all that great, LAVs and Tanks alike shrug the shells off like they're nothing. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Auxiliaries
2489
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Posted - 2013.08.13 14:18:00 -
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If the Projectile Speed was upped, I believe it would be quite a bit better. Swarms and Forge Guns outclass it every single time, and if you want AV and A.I abilities, take a AR with AV Grenades.
King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! |
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