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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:24:00 -
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There is the general feeling that sniping is way too easy within the DUST player-base (or at least the people that aren't yoloswag sniper 420 Q. scope mastaz ). This is to no surprise to me. The rail sniper rifles we have in this game are Caldari and anything Caldari in this game is easy mode, taking little to no thought to do well with due to the current nature of the game.
With that being said That's the way the Caldari fight, they take a very low risk route by fighting from afar and striking instantly and it make sense, it honestly does. All races have their own fighting style and that's one of the awesome and unique things about the EVE universe.
I agree that since the Caldari Sniper Rifle is rail based it should be near instant, highly accurate and powerful.
What it shouldn't have however is 1.little to no recoil that allows you to make follow up shots in less than a second. 2. A large magazine capacity for a weapon capable of such power 3. No charge time even though it operates just like a rail gun in every single way
If the listed items above were taken away along with the addition of a slight increase to Sniper Rail Rifle damage (along with a stun affect bonus maybe?) and more racial sniper variants that all have their advantages and disadvantages I think it would make DUST just a little bit more of a tolerable place.
I can only hope to think that CCP made the sniper rifles like this temporarily because of the lack of other racial variants. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
2949
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:30:00 -
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I think it's fine right now, but inconsistent.
Supposedly when we get precision rifles (minmatar sniper rifles), all the caldari ones will work like the charge sniper. |
Auld Syne
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
58
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:33:00 -
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I just want my amarr laser sniper rifle! NOW GIMMIE NOW! |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1040
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:38:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I think it's fine right now, but inconsistent.
Supposedly when we get precision rifles (minmatar sniper rifles), all the caldari ones will work like the charge sniper. I honestly feel like the Caldari Rifle holds too many rounds in a magazine for compared to the capability to the gun.
Although I'm going to agree with you in that having a universal charge time for all Sniper rifle would make them better. |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
120
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:38:00 -
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I'm a sniper and I love to snipe. I love redline sniping if it is beneficial. Sometimes it can be. I move around where I can be useful and have be useful.
I'd like to see sniping nerfed so that only those who have skilled into it can benefit though.
Make it like an actual rifle for sniping (there is no such thing as a sniper rifle in RL) only a rifle that is good for long range shots and therefore gets adopted as a sniper rifle.
Make it single shot and then you have to reload.
Make it more powerful per shot.
Make the skills give the rifle it's power and usefulness.
Allow for better identification of specific targets so a squad leader can mark a target that is being especially tough and the sniper can do what a sniper's job is mainly for GÇö to take out specific, hard targets. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
373
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:42:00 -
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I don't get why it's overpowered. A single shot cannot take down anyone but a scout suit. Sniping is not easy - it's about the same as using other weapons, it has it's nuances and difficulties to work around of. |
calvin b
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
251
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:50:00 -
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I love my sniper rifle. I just started to really build a silent killing machine. I mean I am really going hardcore ninja here. I use my proto suit and my Thale yes I said Thale sniper rifle and I go huntin wabbit. SHHHHHH be very very quite. Leave the weapon alone, what is wrong with players always wanting to change things. Leave it be unless it has a problem that prevents it from working like a glitch. If it works leave it the F alone and I must say it is only one of a few that works the correct way. I gave up my proto Heavy because of the glitches that is why I went sniper. |
Miokai Zahou
Film Actors Guilds
17
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:50:00 -
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Sniper Rifles are fine.
Nerf Sniper MDs |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1040
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:54:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I love my sniper rifle. I just started to really build a silent killing machine. I mean I am really going hardcore ninja here. I use my proto suit and my Thale yes I said Thale sniper rifle and I go huntin wabbit. SHHHHHH be very very quite. Leave the weapon alone, what is wrong with players always wanting to change things. Leave it be unless it has a problem that prevents it from working like a glitch. If it works leave it the F alone and I must say it is only one of a few that works the correct way. I gave up my proto Heavy because of the glitches that is why I went sniper. question, how old are you? |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1040
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:57:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:I'm a sniper and I love to snipe. I love redline sniping if it is beneficial. Sometimes it can be. I move around where I can be useful and have been useful many times where just being another assault wouldn't have helped.
I'd like to see sniping nerfed so that only those who have skilled into it can benefit though.
Make it like an actual rifle for sniping (there is no such thing as a sniper rifle in RL) only a rifle that is good for long range shots and therefore gets adopted as a sniper rifle.
Make it single shot and then you have to reload.
Make it more powerful per shot.
Make the skills give the rifle its power and usefulness even more so than they do now.
Allow for better identification of specific targets so a squad leader can mark a target that is being especially tough and the sniper can do what a sniper's job is mainly for GÇö to take out specific, hard targets. I like you man +1 |
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calvin b
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
252
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:01:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:calvin b wrote:I love my sniper rifle. I just started to really build a silent killing machine. I mean I am really going hardcore ninja here. I use my proto suit and my Thale yes I said Thale sniper rifle and I go huntin wabbit. SHHHHHH be very very quite. Leave the weapon alone, what is wrong with players always wanting to change things. Leave it be unless it has a problem that prevents it from working like a glitch. If it works leave it the F alone and I must say it is only one of a few that works the correct way. I gave up my proto Heavy because of the glitches that is why I went sniper. question, how old are you?
Old enough to drink young enough not to be collecting social security. Does this answer your question? |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1040
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:03:00 -
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calvin b wrote: Old enough to drink young enough not to be collecting social security. Does this answer your question?
No smartass |
calvin b
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
252
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:04:00 -
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Answer my question first why is it you wish to know my age and I maybe more forthcoming. |
hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
200
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:05:00 -
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Only the charge sniper has a charge because the snipers have a 'miniature' railgun system. The order of railgun power is this:
1. Large Railguns
2. Forge Guns (or small railguns IDK)
3.snipers
So it makes sense that only the most powerful sniper requires charge... |
Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
433
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:16:00 -
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This topic is so unbiased |
Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
433
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:18:00 -
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hackerzilla wrote:Only the charge sniper has a charge because the snipers have a 'miniature' railgun system. The order of railgun power is this:
1. Forge Guns
2. Large Railguns
3. Sniper Rifles
4. Small Railguns
So it makes sense that only the most powerful sniper requires charge... Fixed |
Bob Teller
Red Star. EoN.
59
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:19:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:There is the general feeling that sniping is way too easy within the DUST player-base (or at least the people that aren't yoloswag sniper 420 Q. scope mastaz ). This is to no surprise to me. The rail sniper rifles we have in this game are Caldari and anything Caldari in this game is easy mode, taking little to no thought to do well with due to the current nature of the game.
With that being said That's the way the Caldari fight, they take a very low risk route by fighting from afar and striking instantly and it make sense, it honestly does. All races have their own fighting style and that's one of the awesome and unique things about the EVE universe.
I agree that since the Caldari Sniper Rifle is rail based it should be near instant, highly accurate and powerful.
What it shouldn't have however is 1.little to no recoil that allows you to make follow up shots in less than a second. 2. A large magazine capacity for a weapon capable of such power 3. No charge time even though it operates just like a rail gun in every single way
If the listed items above were taken away along with the addition of a slight increase to Sniper Rail Rifle damage (along with a stun affect bonus maybe?) and more racial sniper variants that all have their advantages and disadvantages I think it would make DUST just a little bit more of a tolerable place.
I can only hope to think that CCP made the sniper rifles like this temporarily because of the lack of other racial variants. Snipers are easy mode because there is no bullet drop in dust and i dont think there is bullet speed or it's extremly fast.So,no need to lead target,no need to compensate for bullet drop,just point and click.Stay in redline or on top of a building and enjoy the free kills.Boring as **** but noobs love it |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1045
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:32:00 -
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Xender17 wrote:This topic is so unbiased gtfo You just want to keep your easy mode weapon.
I'm not nerfing this weapon I'm saying that a sniper rifle should require more skill than it currently requires. I even said that it should get a damage increase in addition to the skill required.
Go play CoD if you want insta win rifles so much. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University Ivy League
95
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:34:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:I don't get why it's overpowered. A single shot cannot take down anyone but a scout suit. Sniping is not easy - it's about the same as using other weapons, it has it's nuances and difficulties to work around of. While I agree with you on the fact that the are not OP, it is possible to one shot a medium suit, I've dont it numerous times.
With that being said i did it with a headshot from a kaalakiota ( if I'm spelling that correctly). I also noticed that the suit was either militia or basic basic frame. Sniping is hard depending on where you are In relation to your enemy, if you are literally across the map from them, with rendering the way it is its near impossible to see your enemy even though u are using a scope. If you are near frontlines it's not to bad but still difficult, you have to have to be good at leading your target aswell as being aware of your sorroundings. |
calvin b
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
253
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:34:00 -
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well call me a noob then because I love the thrill of hunting people. It sounds to me a lot of people are butt hurt because of snipers are messing with there mojo. So because I am a noob i will stop watching out for you and the next time that squad of proto stompers come a knocking I will not be there to help. How about them apples. |
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ultimatej87
DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY
5
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:38:00 -
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instead of using snipers I use my tanks instead |
Auld Syne
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
58
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:41:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Xender17 wrote:This topic is so unbiased gtfo You just want to keep your easy mode weapon. I'm not nerfing this weapon I'm saying that a sniper rifle should require more skill than it currently requires. I even said that it should get a damage increase in addition to the skill required. Go play CoD if you want insta win rifles so much. Damn, someone struck a nerve |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1045
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:49:00 -
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I'm not saying the weapon is OP. I'm saying the weapon is too easy to use. Like too many other weapons in this game. We need to start rewarding players based on their capacity and not just because they can spam a button.
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Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
252
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:51:00 -
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I think dropping the sniper rifles to one shot then reload is a bad idea. They're fairly weak as they are now imo. And I rarely snipe these days. And I rarely die to a sniper rifle unless I've already been tagged a few times by something else.
I suppose I would be okay with a bolt action sort of function but then my geek side says it's a sci-fi shooter so no. If it moves to a reload after every shot deal then those T5 rifles should be able to one shot high tanked proto heavies, headshots only. As well as body shot all other protos and drop them no problems. I'd be okay with that. Though that may just be me... |
2100 Angels
The Southern Legion
230
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:57:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm not saying the weapon is OP. I'm saying the weapon is too easy to use. Like too many other weapons in this game. We need to start rewarding players based on their capacity and not just because they can spam a button.
have you even used it? If so, how many kills did you get and how helpful were you to your team? If you think its easy you're either an incredibly coordinated fps gamer or a moron, and I'm willing to bet it's not the former. I'm sick of seeing this judgement get thrown around like nobodies business, especially when the people who are doing it have strapped into a sniper suit once, maybe twice. Complaining about things like this is the reason why we can never have nice things |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1045
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Posted - 2013.08.13 00:59:00 -
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Khal V'Rani wrote:I think dropping the sniper rifles to one shot then reload is a bad idea. They're fairly weak as they are now imo. And I rarely snipe these days. And I rarely die to a sniper rifle unless I've already been tagged a few times by something else.
I suppose I would be okay with a bolt action sort of function but then my geek side says it's a sci-fi shooter so no. If it moves to a reload after every shot deal then those T5 rifles should be able to one shot high tanked proto heavies, headshots only. As well as body shot all other protos and drop them no problems. I'd be okay with that. Though that may just be me... I'm not thinking quite one shot a magazine but more like 3 rounds but not even that honestly. It's the small recoil that's one of the issues here. One shoting pro heavies with a headshots, I'm cool with that. however I don't think it should instantly body shot all high Hp prototype medium suits but pretty much render them weak as a twig. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1045
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Posted - 2013.08.13 01:05:00 -
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2100 Angels wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm not saying the weapon is OP. I'm saying the weapon is too easy to use. Like too many other weapons in this game. We need to start rewarding players based on their capacity and not just because they can spam a button.
have you even used it? If so, how many kills did you get and how helpful were you to your team? If you think its easy you're either an incredibly coordinated fps gamer or a moron, and I'm willing to bet it's not the former. I'm sick of seeing this judgement get thrown around like nobodies business, especially when the people who are doing it have strapped into a sniper suit once, maybe twice. Complaining about things like this is the reason why we can never have nice things Use it a damn lot get out of here ****.
Like a poster here mentioned earlier I want this weapon to be associated with skill. Not guys that are poor at this game It's easy to tell between the ones that are actually good with this weapon and saying it's fine and the people that are scared to lose the only weapon they can use without dying.
I could make several points with other weapons but this is a sniper rifle thread discussing the sniper rifle, not wanting to nerf it, not wanting to buff it. |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
127
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Posted - 2013.08.13 01:09:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I love my sniper rifle. I just started to really build a silent killing machine. I mean I am really going hardcore ninja here. I use my proto suit and my Thale yes I said Thale sniper rifle and I go huntin wabbit. SHHHHHH be very very quite. Leave the weapon alone, what is wrong with players always wanting to change things. Leave it be unless it has a problem that prevents it from working like a glitch. If it works leave it the F alone and I must say it is only one of a few that works the correct way. I gave up my proto Heavy because of the glitches that is why I went sniper.
LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE! |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
127
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Posted - 2013.08.13 01:13:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:2100 Angels wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm not saying the weapon is OP. I'm saying the weapon is too easy to use. Like too many other weapons in this game. We need to start rewarding players based on their capacity and not just because they can spam a button.
have you even used it? If so, how many kills did you get and how helpful were you to your team? If you think its easy you're either an incredibly coordinated fps gamer or a moron, and I'm willing to bet it's not the former. I'm sick of seeing this judgement get thrown around like nobodies business, especially when the people who are doing it have strapped into a sniper suit once, maybe twice. Complaining about things like this is the reason why we can never have nice things Use it a damn lot get out of here ****. Like a poster here mentioned earlier I want this weapon to be associated with skill. Not guys that are poor at this game It's easy to tell between the ones that are actually good with this weapon and saying it's fine and the people that are scared to lose the only weapon they can use without dying. I could make several points with other weapons but this is a sniper rifle thread discussing the sniper rifle, not wanting to nerf it, not wanting to buff it.
I'm ok with people criticizing me as a sniper when all I have to say is "I LOVE sniping, sorry".
I don't like getting lumped into a critique of people who snipe to stay out of a fight.
The skill base would allow for this differentiation. As it is sniping is VERY tedious. It isn't exactly easy mode. However, it is easy for people to just grab the fitting and go and do a decent job.
The thing that makes a sniper a good sniper or a real sniper is all the other things in addition to the sniping. i.e. scouting and providing intel, holding down a specific area, ninja hacking, droplink support. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
2958
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Posted - 2013.08.13 15:10:00 -
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Miokai Zahou wrote:Sniper Rifles are fine. Nerf Sniper MDs I have yet to see an MD sniper.
However, I should, because artillery is supposed to have a longer range than railguns. |
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