DUST Search - I "got" Dust over the weekend, and here's how I did.

Kasote Denzara wrote:

My Dust? Well, I was mainly just a heavy with a FG, long before Uprising and whatnot. Anti-tank, anti-dropship, anti-LAV- whatever I could take down, I was up on the front line to do it. Time rolled by. Many vehicles and infantry destroyed by that FG of mine.

But for what?

The teams I rolled with normally wouldn't give me support fire against the infantry railing me in the back while I solo high end tanks so that my team wouldn't have to die by them. I've been passed up by so many nanite carriers that I sort of lost faith in being picked up. The lack of resupply left me dry to die. I suppose this partially why I went into the logistic way of things.

Later on, I did go into logistics and it's my full support. If I feel I can trust my team to do what they're supposed to, I'll put down my FG and go into my medic role. Picking people up, healing, resupplying. If I find another logibro, I try to stick with him/her. Two medics together is devastatingly good, and we often times set up a small "recovery clinic" somewhere for the team (which is fantastic, by the way).

After a while of this, I learned something about both my role of the heavy and the logistic. I've been playing a support role all this time, just with different methods. One is the offensive, one is the defensive. I suppose "my Dust" is my team, not myself.

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Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack 24	Posted - 2013.08.12 14:38:00 - [1] - Quote Since I began playing Dust several months ago, I never really "got" it. Meaning, it never really clicked with me. Sure, I'd log in, play a few matches (and normally feel the "grinder" that pub matches are), and log off, happy to know that my skill points would accrue (to give me some resilience against proto gank squads), but normally I'd just log off and be frustrated at the glaring imbalances and general "un-funness" of the game. This weekend, I had a free 1.3 mil sp that had been accruing that I really couldn't decide where to put (since we can't really try things out, I don't really want to commit to any one weapon or suit, considering that we don't know what's coming and I don't want to have a jack-of-all-trades-but-master-of-none.) Well, I decided to give logi a go. I said "maybe we'll get to respec later, but for now I'm going to commit to Gallente suits and try healing." My world changed. I had found my Dust. My Dust is the logi player: dropping uplinks, reviving teammates with injectors, repping guys when I see their armor bar being shredded. It was a blast. A BLAST. I'm a pretty good shot--certainly not the best, but I do ok--but now that didn't matter. I could have a real impact on my team by being their medic. I can drop tactical uplinks at capture points, I can stay hidden and still gain WPs in the match. This totally works for me, and for the first time, I found myself logging off (for sleep no less) and saying "Damn, I can't wait until tomorrow to play some more Dust!" So here's the takeaway CCP: you must provide a proving ground, new player experience, militia pack, starter suits, etc. that let players experience ALL aspects of the game. I got my Dust only after months of general frustration and aimlessness, and that's largely because I stand with CCP. If it simply was a matter of Dust carrying me as a new player, I don't know if I would have stuck with it. New players have to be able to "get" it, and they have to get it early on. If there were a "battle room" or something similar where I could experience being a logi (or heavy (which I never have!)) then maybe I would have got it much sooner, and I'd have been a much happier player as a result. (I did see that you sell starter weapon packs of 200 of each light weapon, say--for 40,000 aurum?! No, that's not going to work.) The other thing that really turned me around to "non-traditional" means of getting WP was using my "free" templar uplink I got from the CE. I had no idea you get WPs for spawns, nanohives, etc. It was truly eye-opening, and it enriched the game for me in a way that I had not experienced before. The second thing I did was squad up with some random guys I saw. (Since I was logi now, I had a purpose, and that purpose was to keep my "new" squadmates alive.) This again changed the game for me. I noticed that I was getting more WP-per-action, which in turn game me more isk and sp at the end of the matches! It didn't feel like a grind so much anymore, because I had a purpose and I was being better rewarded for it. (Incidentally, those guys I randomly squadded up with were pretty good, and I was able to join their corp.) At that point, I didn't feel so much like a lone wolf facing proto death squads alone. We were a team, a band of brothers, doing it together. That's how I got my Dust. I hope that other players in a similar situation to where I was before this weekend find that special something so that you "get" it as well. I'd urge you to try drop uplinks--the militia ones suffice--and see how cool it is that you can change the battle by being able to drop a spawn point AND you get WPs for doing so!! Or buy a nano-hive and see how neat it is that not only can you refill your ammo, but you get WPs for when your teammates do, too. The starter suits have a free equipment slot, so I know that you have room. There's still many things to fix in Dust, to be sure. But "getting" it, at least for me, isn't one of them.
steadyhand amarr Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1064	Posted - 2013.08.12 14:43:00 - [2] - Quote I think skrim game mode needs stages put into or things to blow up rather than run around circules we have now. With a focuse a think a lot more players will find their thing
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 950	Posted - 2013.08.12 14:45:00 - [3] - Quote How i got my "Dust" Was finding out i love the heavy. Just the sheer amount of firepower that the hmg can put out. I love seeing someone come around a corner, see i'm a heavy, and then run away. I love that! I am able to kill multiple people at once, and with a good logi behind me, i'm unstoppable. Thats my dust 514.

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 396	Posted - 2013.08.12 14:49:00 - [4] - Quote Logibro high-5 CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics @CCP_Logibro

JL3Eleven PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 561	Posted - 2013.08.12 14:52:00 - [5] - Quote Best post I've read in a while tbh +1.
Serimos Haeraven Deep Space Republic Top Men. 391	Posted - 2013.08.12 14:53:00 - [6] - Quote The largest problem that CCP faces (amoung so many others) is their Battle Acadamy system in its current state. 400 Warpoints and then those new players are booted into the real matches, where they are pub stomped by proto gear and big-time corps all day long. It discourages new players because once they are exposed to being killed over and over again, they don't get many chances to earn a lot of WP and SP to skill into what they want and find their true fit. If CCP doesn't change the ways they handle new players (what scares me is this 400 WP rule was just recently implemented), they run the high risk of losing so many more players just because of CCP's lack of competence in how console gamers should be treated, as opposed to say, dedicated PC players.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 159	Posted - 2013.08.12 14:57:00 - [7] - Quote My Dust? Well, I was mainly just a heavy with a FG, long before Uprising and whatnot. Anti-tank, anti-dropship, anti-LAV- whatever I could take down, I was up on the front line to do it. Time rolled by. Many vehicles and infantry destroyed by that FG of mine. But for what? The teams I rolled with normally wouldn't give me support fire against the infantry railing me in the back while I solo high end tanks so that my team wouldn't have to die by them. I suppose this partially why I went into the logistic way of things. Later on, I did go into logistics and it's my full support. If I feel I can trust my team to do what they're supposed to, I'll put down my FG and go into my medic role. Picking people up, healing, resupplying. If I find another logibro, I try to stick with him/her. Two medics together is devastatingly good, and we often times set up a small "recovery clinic" somewhere for the team (which is fantastic, by the way). After a while of this, I learned something about both my role of the heavy and the logistic. I've been playing a support role all this time, just with different methods. One is the offensive, one is the defensive. I suppose "my Dust" is my team, not myself.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F 708	Posted - 2013.08.12 15:01:00 - [8] - Quote I started out as a logi bro, I enjoyed it alot, then the suits all changed with uprising, and I went assault. honestly I miss the support role from time to time, I used to have alot of fun being in the thick of fighting picking people up and healing them. that said I enjoy sniping a lot, more then that I enjoy finding new ways to detriment the enemies given the tool available to me.
Jammeh McJam Robbing The Hood 14	Posted - 2013.08.12 15:11:00 - [9] - Quote My dust is my proto suit and my proto weapons, the satisfaction of getting hate mail too... so funny because they're probs just another mlt or std noob with no gun game.
Green Living 0uter.Heaven EoN. 748	Posted - 2013.08.12 15:14:00 - [10] - Quote Cool man, glad you found your niche in this game! I far prefer reading positive posts than all the negativity on these boards. +1

Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 429	Posted - 2013.08.12 15:16:00 - [11] - Quote hmmm lets see how i got my "dust" first started off being a logi, loved the WP gain but i loved the killings more and then that was when i discovered the HEAVY
Cpl Foster USMC Uncle Sams Merc Clones 102	Posted - 2013.08.12 15:33:00 - [12] - Quote My Dust.... I Love the role of a Sniper...I like the hate I get..i like bugging a group so much that they spend their teams hard work to Orbital Bomb me...me...1 lone person..it cracks me up.. just this morning I sniped a guy and 30 secs later he's running me over in a LAV...probably cause he lost a Thale's...now that's some rage right there... only thing I want now is CCP to put the headshot sound on the receiving end so they know that while they were running and bunny hopping and juke and jive'n...that they still got shot in the head.....
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 628	Posted - 2013.08.12 15:49:00 - [13] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: My Dust? Well, I was mainly just a heavy with a FG, long before Uprising and whatnot. Anti-tank, anti-dropship, anti-LAV- whatever I could take down, I was up on the front line to do it. Time rolled by. Many vehicles and infantry destroyed by that FG of mine. But for what? The teams I rolled with normally wouldn't give me support fire against the infantry railing me in the back while I solo high end tanks so that my team wouldn't have to die by them. I've been passed up by so many nanite carriers that I sort of lost faith in being picked up. The lack of resupply left me dry to die. I suppose this partially why I went into the logistic way of things. Later on, I did go into logistics and it's my full support. If I feel I can trust my team to do what they're supposed to, I'll put down my FG and go into my medic role. Picking people up, healing, resupplying. If I find another logibro, I try to stick with him/her. Two medics together is devastatingly good, and we often times set up a small "recovery clinic" somewhere for the team (which is fantastic, by the way). After a while of this, I learned something about both my role of the heavy and the logistic. I've been playing a support role all this time, just with different methods. One is the offensive, one is the defensive. I suppose "my Dust" is my team, not myself. Pretty much a mirror of myself on this score. It's been a very long time since I've been able to trust my team enough to run my Medi-Logi fit though. DUs, scanning, hacking and setting up resupply points is most of what my Logi does. Urban combat with dual Scrambler Pistols is what I love but I'm more often needed as a FG to provide an AV presence for the team or Minmatar Logistics to place supplies and go for hacks when no one else seems to be doing it.
TunRa The Vanguardians 42	Posted - 2013.08.12 16:05:00 - [14] - Quote Cpl Foster USMC wrote: My Dust.... I Love the role of a Sniper...I like the hate I get..i like bugging a group so much that they spend their teams hard work to Orbital Bomb me...me...1 lone person..it cracks me up.. Sometimes I orbiatal snipers because they think they can go a whole round without death by redline sniping.
MCEINSTEIN08 Defective by Design 25	Posted - 2013.08.12 16:25:00 - [15] - Quote Glad to find someone in my same state of mind. I have a Caldari Merc, all the way to PROTO Logic, (10mil SPs) and now I realize I didn't like it, mostly because the Logic Proto Caldari only carry one light weapon. So I created a Alt Merc. This time Amarr, and strangely I like it much better, I actually play better. And since the Logic Amarr has two light weapons I can run it for every loadout I want. Overall I think I like it much better, even though I started all over! But since there is no respec, I guess I haven't much of a choice. Keep up the good fight.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 3548	Posted - 2013.08.12 16:27:00 - [16] - Quote I hate to break it to you but it's extremely unlikely you will ever get a respec in the future. CCP said there will be no more coming. However, they could reimburse parts of your SP if the SP requirements of skills you trained get reduced or if the skill books get removed. Other than that, I agree that there needs to be a training ground of sorts and we should have militia-everything so that we can try out stuff before committing every drop of SP into it. But of course, militia-everything ain't gonna help if imbalances are still there.
Seiox Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1	Posted - 2013.08.12 16:28:00 - [17] - Quote Positive post is positive. +1
Cpl Foster USMC Uncle Sams Merc Clones 102	Posted - 2013.08.12 16:49:00 - [18] - Quote TunRa wrote: Cpl Foster USMC wrote: My Dust.... I Love the role of a Sniper...I like the hate I get..i like bugging a group so much that they spend their teams hard work to Orbital Bomb me...me...1 lone person..it cracks me up.. Sometimes I orbiatal snipers because they think they can go a whole round without death by redline sniping. redline or not, I always expect to die...i'm more surprised when I don't die...
Zatara Rought TeamPlayers EoN. 763	Posted - 2013.08.12 18:40:00 - [19] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I hate to break it to you but it's extremely unlikely you will ever get a respec in the future. CCP said there will be no more coming. However, they could reimburse parts of your SP if the SP requirements of skills you trained get reduced or if the skill books get removed. Other than that, I agree that there needs to be a training ground of sorts and we should have militia-everything so that we can try out stuff before committing every drop of SP into it. But of course, militia-everything ain't gonna help if imbalances are still there. My God here we all are trying to enjoy this guys journey of discovery and fulfillment and you want to digress to make a stupid plug about no respecs. Shut the **** up!
KingBabar Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback 1049	Posted - 2013.08.12 18:44:00 - [20] - Quote Well I found out how awesome AFK farming is, thats "my Dust" for the time being....

Zatara Rought TeamPlayers EoN. 764	Posted - 2013.08.12 18:48:00 - [21] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Well I found out how awesome AFK farming is, thats "my Dust" for the time being.... I hope Spec Ops Cipher Finds you AFK'ing
Vespasian Andendare Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack 60	Posted - 2013.08.12 18:51:00 - [22] - Quote Seiox wrote: Positive post is positive. +1 Thank you; it was true. I'll be the first to post the doom and gloom on these forums, but honestly now, well, now that I "get" it, I can see the Dust package for what it is. It's wholly different than other shooters on the market, and I think the differences could--they have the possibility to--create a stronger, dedicated player base. However, these differences aren't assured to be realized by new players. That's the troubling part, because that's what Dust is. It's different, and its supposed to be. That's not to say that those differences can't be celebrated. Just reading in local over the weekend, I saw people unclear about the skill training system, confusion about using certain items and general angst about Dust on the whole. Unfortunately, and very true to the community, I saw that player get both help and trolled in local. So I think the solution should be that CCP really makes it a point to spell out the differences and to help new players embrace it. A good suggestion I saw earlier was to have the War Academy end when a player chooses, say between 2,000 and 10,000 WP, so newbros have a chance to get more comfortable and leave on their terms. Another thing the Acad should do is provide all fits for all roles for free as long as the player stays in the Academy. What I'm thinking here--and certainly what would have helped me--is to get a player to want (as in to want for) to play a certain role. For me, for example, now I want to play logi. I think about the fits. I think about how to be a better logi, etc. If I had a taste of it early on in the Academy (I don't know if there was one during Chromosome), then I'd have known out the gate what specialty to explore. I would have been more driven out of the gate to get better logi-themed things, instead of spending sp in Assault suits and AR V (don't get me wrong, AR V makes me a better Logi, if only a support skill for logistics). Also, perhaps there should be a matchmaking option that places people in squads with pre-determined positions (maybe just for Acad, maybe another game mode, etc.). But what I'm thinking here is a squad that's 1x Heavy, 1x Logi and 4x Assault (1H, 2L, 3A maybe). The matchmaking would automatically create a squad with these roles, squad the members up and let them communicate and play as a team. It may stop everyone from running in all different directions, and hopefully, it'd help newbros learn that Dust IS a game that you play in teams. I found my band of brothers over the weekend, and I'm better off for it. I don't now have just a passing interest in Dust. I now want it to succeed. I want to share what I "got" with others, because now, I am a Dust promoter.
Lillica Deathdealer Mango and Friends 88	Posted - 2013.08.12 19:09:00 - [23] - Quote I got my Dust when uprising deployed. It was when all the ARs showed up, now the end all be all weapon of the game, and broke alot of stuff. Thats when I vowed to destroy them and stop all newberries I can from using the AR. Since then I've been picking up lasers, scramblers, assault, logi, heavy, and every manner of vehicle to stop the AR. I found my Dust. How did you find yours?
Rinas Rylos Rinas' Raiders 57	Posted - 2013.08.12 20:03:00 - [24] - Quote I found mine by filling whatever niche I see needs to be filled. As am I as good as a dedicated logi? Hell no. Nor is my heavy dropsuit all that protected, and my anti-armor suit tends to just plink against anything heavier than tier-1 for now. But armored or no, a heavy can still draw or scatter opposing troops, and a logi can still revive and repair folk even if not to the extent a dedicated one can. So I guess you could say my Dust is...team mom? :P
McFurious TeamPlayers EoN. 288	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:13:00 - [25] - Quote I was hooked when they announced the game in 2009. :P But I suppose for me it was when I decided to try out the Mass Driver in closed beta. Never saw anyone else using it and it was tough to learn but I couldn't put it down. The first time I nailed a sniper in one shot at long range was when I knew I found my favorite gun.
Necandi Brasil Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 271	Posted - 2013.08.13 05:04:00 - [26] - Quote We really need more exciting threads to read like this ... +1 ...
The Tunski OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6	Posted - 2013.08.13 05:18:00 - [27] - Quote Awesome post. It's refreshing to see positive things in the forums. Good reads to have people understand the game more. I thoroughly enjoy this game even with the understanding that theres work to be done. When I joined open beta I was a little overwhelmed with what the hell was going on. Luckily, I had friends that I played mag and warhawk with that I was able to get into their corp and be mentored. This is a team based game. Mics are necessary IMO and teamwork makes the experience more fun. Newbies need to realize that there are corps that will train people and give mentorship. Not everyone will like this game, and that's fine, to each their own. New players who are able to find a solid corp with people to help them with the learning curve are much likely to stick around. Lots more I could add but have to go back to work! Enjoy your logi role!
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 73	Posted - 2013.08.13 06:43:00 - [28] - Quote good post, and lucky you my dust is scout..........no mater how broken they are scouts have always been the only thing in dust I really loved playing, maybe one day in the future I'll be relevent again.
I-Shayz-I Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 611	Posted - 2013.08.13 07:34:00 - [29] - Quote Pretty much the same for me...except that it was the day that I found out there was a repair tool in this game. I honestly played the game for 2 months before I found it, and once that happened, I started skilling into other equipment and thought it was awesome. We just need starter fittings with the four main classes, not just "assault" variants For instance, a light minmatar suit with a shotgun and sprint mods a light gallente suit with a sniper, uplink, and scanning modules a medium caldari suit with a AR, nanohive, and shields a medium amarr suit with swarms, and a nanohive a medium minmatar suit with a SMG, repair tool, and sprint mod a medium gallente suit with an AR, injector, and armor a heavy amarr suit with a forge This would give everyone a wide selection of options to choose from, and everything would be militia. All a player would have to do is check out all of these suits and find out what they like. A sniper, AR, and swarms is too little experience. You need at least one fitting with every type of militia weapon, every type of equipment, every type of suit, and every type of module.
Michael Arck sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 523	Posted - 2013.08.13 07:50:00 - [30] - Quote You too? My corporation was doing some practicing over the weekend and to fill in a vacant spot in a squad, I quickly formed together a Logibro. Man, I was having so much fun with it. Team Respawns, Triage, Guardian, Kill-all those WPs just kept flowing and it seemed because I was doing the job of keeping my guys alive, my squad's performance fine tuned itself. I'm always assault by nature but now I have no quarrels about switching to the Logi fit and just supporting the squad.



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