Yeah. It makes me reluctant to revive people 'cause I feel even more guilty knowing I just gave them two deaths instead of one by reviving them, if they go and die as soon as I pick them up. Death should be counted when the clone is lost, ie. when the mercenary is unable to be revived.

Sometimes people tell me not to revive them because they don't want to risk dying again. This wouldn't happen as often if the mechanic was changed to perhaps what I suggest above.

Also, all the kitten-talking about KDR doesn't help, either.

the logic is, your health has reached Zero. Once zero has been reached you are dead, the nanites are there to repair the dead cells/tissue/armor it doesnt prevent your death, nor does it erase the past

the logic is, your health has reached Zero. Once zero has been reached you are dead, the nanites are there to repair the dead cells/tissue/armor it doesnt prevent your death, nor does it erase the past

the logic is, your health has reached Zero. Once zero has been reached you are dead, the nanites are there to repair the dead cells/tissue/armor it doesnt prevent your death, nor does it erase the past

the logic is, your health has reached Zero. Once zero has been reached you are dead, the nanites are there to repair the dead cells/tissue/armor it doesnt prevent your death, nor does it erase the past

Yeah. It makes me reluctant to revive people 'cause I feel even more guilty knowing I just gave them two deaths instead of one by reviving them, if they go and die as soon as I pick them up. Death should be counted when the clone is lost, ie. when the mercenary is unable to be revived.

Sometimes people tell me not to revive them because they don't want to risk dying again. This wouldn't happen as often if the mechanic was changed to perhaps what I suggest above.

Also, all the kitten-talking about KDR doesn't help, either.

KD/R is a statistic

if a merc is defeated, they are defeated. It doesnt matter that you got back up again, the ref counted to to five and you got back up, but the judges are still keeping count.

I mean if I get revived by a Logi, Im searching for you guys out there and have in the last few rounds seen some very good logi's, why do I still get a death against my record even if they res me?

That doesn't make sense to me.

That is why they are different. The death is your performance (or not) on the battlefield.

Soo... have a death and a wounded counter? Being wounded would still grand full WP?
I see nothing wrong with this.

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`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.

I never even thought about that, but OP, you have a good point. I typically don't care much about my KDR, but I do look at my deaths during a match sometimes as an indicator of how many suits I've used, and that kind of thing...but I guess deaths doesn't really have a direct correlation to deaths anyway, if you get revived a lot. Right?

Although, it could definitely be argued that WP's awarded should change too, if K/D changes. If downs awarded less WP or no WP, there would be a lot less opportunities to get revived, I'd imagine. Maybe they should just leave it alone and players being aware of it is enough.

I mean if I get revived by a Logi, Im searching for you guys out there and have in the last few rounds seen some very good logi's, why do I still get a death against my record even if they res me?

That doesn't make sense to me.

Because the guy that killed you has a Kill?
maybe..?

You should be grateful you dont loose you Dropsuit...and dont need to spawn again...and travel to the battle area again...

I dont know i think this is the purpose....

I mean if i kill you, and you get revived, i would have 1 kill and you NO deaths?
Not only it would mess up the ''cloning out'' part of the game, but THAT really desnt make sense to me bruh...

I mean if i kill you, and you get revived, i would have 1 kill and you NO deaths?

So let me get this straight.

I kill someone.
I get 50sp and a kill.
Then the enemy gets revived and he has NO deaths and the Clone count remains the same.

IF IT STILL counts as a kill for me im ok with it , i guess.

Sure its how BF3 has been running hasn't it?

No, you still died. You lost the fight and you ran out of health. Dead is dead. Now, before you transferred into another clone, you got reinjected and brought back. You lost no gear, but the death still goes on your record.

Besides, there is nothing better than some medic coming along and reviving you, leaving you near death again. So 1 kill turns into 3

People need to realize that the Death statistic is to represent YOUR fighting ability, nothing in the meta game, not a team mechanic, but a personal statistic.

If you get dropped by an enemy, that is recorded as the fact that YOU lost a fight. If you take that away, how are corps supposed to grade you? We don't have access to an API key. Besides, if a corp wanteda member the best kdr, then they would just have a crack team of logis following one guy. have him play a bunch of games (if he dies he will get brought back, no kdr loss) and pwn the other team (pubstomps of course) and then just have that guy not play on that character anymore, permanently on the leaderboards.

So my real question, is why remove it? Just cause of the rez whores? Ok, I can see complaining because of them. But I will not have core statistic in FPS's taken away because of that. (I don't care about my KDR, but it is a standard as to which people are held to for greatness)

I really don't know what you mean by core mechanic of FPS.... since Battlefield uses this mechanic and its a vastly more successful game that dust is (no offence CCP they just dedicated themselves to the FPS genre.

Also this game isn't about solo performance its about squad work and achieving something. No matter what you cannot achieve big things solo in New Eden.

People need to realize that the Death statistic is to represent YOUR fighting ability, nothing in the meta game, not a team mechanic, but a personal statistic.

If you get dropped by an enemy, that is recorded as the fact that YOU lost a fight. If you take that away, how are corps supposed to grade you?

I mean core mechanic by the fact that this game is about shooting people in the face until they die and taking their planets kind of mechanic. And that statistic is there to record progress in that field. The only thing this option improves is your KDR. And I don't like the way battlefield does it either (also there are a lot of games that are far more popular than dust in this genre)

I don't like this because you can't prove homocide without proof of the murder in some way, or a body. You died, lost a fight, got ambushed, etc. etc. To me it NEEDS to be recorded on your record. Team stats are fine, heck throw in one that gives number of times revived or something. But There still needs to be a statistic that the individual can be held to. Which in most FPS games its KDR. Dust is a shooter at core. KDR is a stat that shows how skillful you are with staying alive in a game where the main objective for the enemy is to kill you.

This wouldn't be a problem if a statistic was added to keep track of how many times you were downed. For example, there could be a kill/knockout ratio in addition to the kill/death ratio, and recruiters could find these by scouring the leaderboards or looking up a player's profile.

The current kill/death ratio is misleading because it doesn't tell you how many clones you lost, and it shouldn't be that way. There is a similar problem with kills: you can't tell how many clones have been terminated by each player.