According to your statement the MD need to be nerfed as well as this weapon is heavily overused in PC and most believe that this is the place to look for balance.

Apart from that I get barely killed by ARs in pubs not more than from sniper rifles, MDs and HMG. Even the SR gets a comeback...

The AR is used that much becasue there is a (well not onlyy one) BPO and its in the Starter fits so its logically that someone specs into that weapon. And with the slow skill progress most will stick with thier initial choice quite some time, especially when this choice feels familiar.

Remove the AR from starter fits and or give more weapon BPOs and than you will see more variety.

The AR is not OP in fact the AScR is much better rigt from the start. The damage falloff of the AR is much harcher than the fallof of the AScR. The only advantage the AR has over the AScR it benefits from two skills wheras the AScR gets nothing from skills. And to get there you have to spent 1.5 mil SP...

The only thing that is needed is the correct dmage and range profile (short Range and High DPS) and maybe a rename so not everyone will stick with the assault rifle.

My ideal Plasma Rifle (or Blaster Rifle) would look something like this:
opt Range up to 30m
eff. Range up to 45m
Damge 50
RoF 580 to 600
Clip Size 40 to 45

That would give the AR its niche and would differentiate it from the AScR...

number 1 that link you ad there was of a guy with spazzed hair saying "nanites"

number 2 AK-47s are extremely resilient and reliable guns, but still jam, still must be cleaned, still over heat, still must be fired in bursts, and still have a 30 round magazine. in fact if it gets too hot the wooden stock can catch fire (modern models have a metal and plastic stock made of fire retardant materials)

you were the one who quoted RL to begin with. and remember i frequently made reference back to dust because your assertions made no sense in RL or in DUST.


Ars are not infantry suppression.. so why do they supress infantry better than an HMG. in fact, please explain to me how in the ******* world an AR fires bigger bullets than an HMG?

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I honestly feel Assault Rifles are one of the most balanced weapons we have.
The only thing I'd change is the range of the Tactical Rifles, possibly.

I used to run Proto AR's, but then switched to Proto ScR's.
Now, I'm using Shotguns and occasionally the GEK-38.

ARs are supposed to be good weapons at all ranges, its just annoying that we only have 4 to choose from, we should have like 20, and most of them need extended range

a militia AR has the potential to kill a heavy in less than 3 seconds. that is utter bs

ARs are fine at short range, but their ADS dispersion and kick is too low, which extends their effective range further than a scrambler rifle (scrams have a higher optimal range, but the kick and semi-auto fire lowers the DPS compared to the constant accurate stream of plasma coming from a scoped AR).

face it :P the ranges on all weapons need to be buffed by 5-10%, but because this is on the PS3 we have the situation where the hardware is determining content and play.

Off topic? Not really

IRL miniguns are quite often accurate to 200m

IRL the TAC would be what we are using for a sniper

The sniper would be hitting easily from redzone to redzone. (can i haz rendering limits IRL?!?)


The weapons are all generally balanced as per the Game, that the game is more complicated that tic-tac-toe is a given, there is a reason CCP is reluctant to go the way of full disclosure, and many of the community are that reason.

application on paper and application in practice are two different things.

My heavy fits, sentinel or otherwise do not die in 3 seconds to AR or anything else. On one gloriously memorable occasion I made a dipwad waste an entire mass driver drum on me (freedom mass driver). People who have shot at me and tried to splash me with forges don't live long.

1v1 generally they do not die. period.

You have lots of on-paper math which fails scrutiny in game. Just because ARs are violating YOU does not mean the rest of us are similarly challenged.

since CCP has denied your request to give heavies 30% resistance you're moving on to demanding nerfs on the weapons that actually kill heavies?

the assault rifle is the bread and butter weapon. many people use and are familiar with them, and know how to employ them. Similarly I know people who find similar utility in the scrambler and asscram rifles.

Further I have learned that presenting evidence contrary to your assertions is pointless because you don't even acknowledge it, much less evaluate it.

Every time this little cadre speaks (quit using alt accounts to like yourself and echo chamber your posts) sanity shrivels a little.

nerfing the AR is not necessary but what is necessary in real recoil. recoil for varies weapons are nearly non exsistent but until they increase recoil for smg, scrambler rifle, and other automatics than i think introducing AR recoil would do more harm than good to the game..

It drops well fit STD suits in less then one second, up to and easily past, 45 meters.

I'm fine with that. Gallante weapons should run the show when it comes to CQC. But, it manages to deal great damage out to ScR range, and deals incidental damage at sniper range, 200 m.

My rework of the GAR, is this

-New absolute range, 168 (Current Effective Range)
-New Effective Range, 120
-The rest of the stats are kept the same.

That all I want.

I think lowering the DPS is wrong, the other guns just need severe buffing, (Tighten HMG dispersion slightly, 2-3 more pellets per shot+fixed aiming and HD for the shotty, etc, etc, etc...)

I don't think I'm asking too much of the AR, it will remain the staple of Short to Mid range engagements, and preferred for General purpose combat, equally efficient at attacking and defending.

Do I sound crazy now?

I'm a troll. and completely ignore all the numbers D legendary uses to prove his points and logic and just write bullshit on his threads because I'm a troll

application on paper and application in practice are two different things.

My heavy fits, sentinel or otherwise do not die in 3 seconds to AR or anything else. On one gloriously memorable occasion I made a dipwad waste an entire mass driver drum on me (freedom mass driver). People who have shot at me and tried to splash me with forges don't live long.

1v1 generally they do not die. period.

You have lots of on-paper math which fails scrutiny in game. Just because ARs are violating YOU does not mean the rest of us are similarly challenged.

since CCP has denied your request to give heavies 30% resistance you're moving on to demanding nerfs on the weapons that actually kill heavies?

the assault rifle is the bread and butter weapon. many people use and are familiar with them, and know how to employ them. Similarly I know people who find similar utility in the scrambler and asscram rifles.

Further I have learned that presenting evidence contrary to your assertions is pointless because you don't even acknowledge it, much less evaluate it.

Every time this little cadre speaks (quit using alt accounts to like yourself and echo chamber your posts) sanity shrivels a little.

It drops well fit STD suits in less then one second, up to and easily past, 45 meters.

I'm fine with that. Gallante weapons should run the show when it comes to CQC. But, it manages to deal great damage out to ScR range, and deals incidental damage at sniper range, 200 m.

My rework of the GAR, is this

-New absolute range, 168 (Current Effective Range)
-New Effective Range, 120
-The rest of the stats are kept the same.

That all I want.

I think lowering the DPS is wrong, the other guns just need severe buffing, (Tighten HMG dispersion slightly, 2-3 more pellets per shot+fixed aiming and HD for the shotty, etc, etc, etc...)

I don't think I'm asking too much of the AR, it will remain the staple of Short to Mid range engagements, and preferred for General purpose combat, equally efficient at attacking and defending.

Do I sound crazy now?

I dunno why I even bother. Every one of D Legendary Hero's posts somehow wraps back to "Heavies are UP and in need of serious buffs."

Fixing armor tanking fixes heavies. period.

further, when the caldari and minmatar heavies are released you can rejoice and enjoy the OP fatsuits you have always dreamed of (all hail shield tanks). Amarr heavies are armor tankers. go figure. There couldn't POSSIBLY be an imbalance there... NOPE!

but, every time I say fixing armor tanking fixes heavies... It's like his brain shuts off and he doesn't read, nor acknowledge the statement.

Allow me to spell this out in Crayon:

Heavies are not underpowered. they are suffering because armor tanking is imbalanced versus shields. When Armor tanking is as balanced as shield tanking, heavies will be fixed, and the Assault Rifle and Mass Driver will be less of hurt points for contentious butthurt.

Yeah lol, its an example of how tech can be used to explain away things like jamming
I used the AK referance because due to design and as youve stated material selection, issues can be overcome.

You quoted RL with how LMG were modded AR's and WW2 and stuff. My assersions make as much sense as yours if you want to keep any resemblace of balance in a game

If weapons worked how you want then HMG would do the same dmg as snipers now, AR would have sniper accuracy, Snipers would be like FG's, FG would be like orbitals, and orbitals would nuke the battlefield.

And FleyLocks were still OP.

application on paper and application in practice are two different things.

My heavy fits, sentinel or otherwise do not die in 3 seconds to AR or anything else. On one gloriously memorable occasion I made a dipwad waste an entire mass driver drum on me (freedom mass driver). People who have shot at me and tried to splash me with forges don't live long.

1v1 generally they do not die. period.

200 meters? I call bullcrap; with iron sights on an AR you cant hit anything at that range, thell they should not be baleto,I use them as just one of the guns I use (skilled into SMG, Swarm launcher, SCrambler and sniper rifle too)

I agree with you and the actula ranges balancing - almost I agree on the max range change but it is firing a magnetised bolt of super heated gas so its dropoff point should be around 140, but after that it should drop very quickly due to the plasma diffusing over range

A proto heavy can kill a dropsuit in half a second to 1 second, the Boundless HMG has a DPS of 759, proto HMG, while the Proto AR has a DPS of 467.5,

the only way a medium dropsuit is able to kill a heavy is if the heavy has terrible accuracy, is not shooting at the medium, or if the medium is strafing all over the place. The reason the Militia AR is so "good" is because the Assault rifle doesn't have a huge spike in damage, or DPS, like most other weapons when going from basic to proto, for example the basic HMG has a DPS of 600 while the proto HMG has a DPS of 759, thats a 26% difference in DPS compared to the Assault rifles 425 DPS at militia and 467.5 DPS at prototype which is only a 10% difference in DPS.

So unless you suck as a heavy, or your using a basic HMG you have a fairly good chance of killing a medium dropsuit unless you get ganked, or they are strafing all over the place.

Only ARs with scopes are the TAC and the Burst, TAC is semi auto like the scram and their recoil was increased, Burst ARs are just a joke, lower damage than the standard and due to the way it fires it has a lower ROF as well
As for the standard itself at range its called pulsing your shots IE being a skilled FPS gamer, if you try full auto squeeze at distance you wont hit jack **** without having to make constant minor adjustments which guess what is something a skilled FPS gamer can do

I literally couldn't have said this better myself.

As for an earlier post talking about how missiles, bombs and the black death killed more people than AR's, wtf are you smoking? Sure that's entirely accurate in and of itself, but when you apply it to ground combat you become an idiot. Of course weapons of mass destruction are destructive on a massive scale (the clue is in the name). Assault rifles or rifles are, and always will be the main ground troop's weapon of choice.

As for very close CQC with AR's, we usually use breaching tools like shotguns or short barrelled versions of the same weapons that make up the bulk of the armed forces. Bullpup weapons are often employed in CQC because the gun packs all the power of a full sized AR but also has the same barrel length whilst retaining a shorter overall weapon length.

Are all the AR threads end up segueing about if the AScR or AR is OP, and then turn into a flame war?
Heres my thoughts from page one on the subject.

Were you around during chromosome? I ask since we had greater ranges back then and further draw distances as well
Trying to blame the hardware is a **** excuse since the reduced ranges and changing rendering distances to be dependent on what weapon you have equipped were design choices by CCP, asinine choices but not ones made due to the hardware unless they are absolutely horrible at optimizing their content which is something I can believe

I just want to know. I want ot stick with this game. but, i really want to know if something is going to be done ...Anything to fix ARs OR buff everything else for balance.

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