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Nirwanda Vaughns
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.08.11 18:50:00 -
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Just wondering why there is such a big deal about players using proto in pub matches?
Surely the idea of the game is to grind skills, get proto gear and use it?
is it jealously from newbies who cant use it? vets who cant afford to use it? i dunno.
i have a ton of isk and the skills available. i've spent good money on boosters both passive and active and i've grinded week in week out since january to get into my proto gear and i'm sure others have so why is it the player base seem to have the need of shunning it to appear 'da leetestez'
in any other FPS game you work up the ranks to unlock the better guns and use them, i don't go getting hate mail on BF3 cos i'm using my L85A2. Just seems pretty dumb to me |
Aizen Intiki
Ghost Wolf Industries
Alpha Wolf Pack
394
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Posted - 2013.08.11 18:54:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:Just wondering why there is such a big deal about players using proto in pub matches?
Surely the idea of the game is to grind skills, get proto gear and use it?
is it jealously from newbies who cant use it? vets who cant afford to use it? i dunno.
i have a ton of isk and the skills available. i've spent good money on boosters both passive and active and i've grinded week in week out since january to get into my proto gear and i'm sure others have so why is it the player base seem to have the need of shunning it to appear 'da leetestez'
in any other FPS game you work up the ranks to unlock the better guns and use them, i don't go getting hate mail on BF3 cos i'm using my L85A2. Just seems pretty dumb to me
In other games, there is no "better" gun unless it's OP. In Dust, you have guns that are clearly better. That's the problem. |
Mamertine Son
R.E.B.E.L.S
70
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Posted - 2013.08.11 18:56:00 -
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Probably because people hate dying against stuff that's going to take months to attain themselves.
Also I suspect the majority of people who stomp pub matches with their pro to gear are running and corp/sqaud that has a stake in PC. Now I don't really know but I've heard PC generates enough ISK for some people that they can basically run proto for an eternity.
That's a little frustrating for someone like me who has to continually alternate in order to manage a decent cash-flow. (I'm way too obsessed with KDR to run militia but I have considered AFKing as a viable income.) |
Knight Soiaire
Better Hide R Die
1730
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Posted - 2013.08.11 18:57:00 -
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Because guns in other games are better, but only by a little.
You wont be getting any hatemail unless its OP, or you're incredibly skilled.
(USAS-12 + Frags, or my beloved MAV, R.I.P you flying hatemail generator  )
But a Proto Suit compared to an STD suit, there is a huge difference there. |
Aizen Intiki
Ghost Wolf Industries
Alpha Wolf Pack
394
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Posted - 2013.08.11 18:58:00 -
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Mamertine Son wrote:Probably because people hate dying against stuff that's going to take months to attain themselves.
Also I suspect the majority of people who stomp pub matches with their pro to gear are running and corp/sqaud that has a stake in PC. Now I don't really know but I've heard PC generates enough ISK for some people that they can basically run proto for an eternity.
That's a little frustrating for someone like me who has to continually alternate in order to manage a decent cash-flow. (I'm way too obsessed with KDR to run militia but I have considered AFKing as a viable income.)
8 mil a day per district, maybe more. Some corps/ alliances have several, so they can just **** out ISK to people. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5699
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Posted - 2013.08.11 19:00:00 -
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It's fun to make fun of people roaming in full proto squads in pubs, this game already takes less overall skill than many other shooters, playing that way is the equivalent of facerolling across your keyboard to victory.
::shrugs::
Blame the complete lack of anything even remotely resembling matchmaking and a viable, competitive map pool. |
Spectral Clone
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
202
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Posted - 2013.08.11 19:02:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:It's fun to make fun of people roaming in full proto squads in pubs, this game already takes less overall skill than many other shooters, playing that way is the equivalent of facerolling across your keyboard to victory.
::shrugs::
Blame the complete lack of anything even remotely resembling matchmaking and a viable, competitive map pool.
Bind fire on space (Imagine that you could...) - Flap belly on space with AR - Win. |
Mamertine Son
R.E.B.E.L.S
70
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Posted - 2013.08.11 19:05:00 -
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Aizen Intiki wrote:Mamertine Son wrote:
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That's a little frustrating for someone like me who has to continually alternate in order to manage a decent cash-flow. (I'm way too obsessed with KDR to run militia but I have considered AFKing as a viable income.)
8 mil a day per district, maybe more. Some corps/ alliances have several, so they can just **** out ISK to people.
And there you have it. This is where decent matchmaking, or tier-cide would fix a lot of angst pub matches currently generate.
My favorite idea was to create a tiered match system.
1- paid low isk
2-paid med isk
3- paid high isk
4- paid even higher (you get the point)
That essentially would force people to only bring their proto to the lvl 4 or higher matches because anything lower wouldn't be cost effective. That idea obviously will have its limitations but I don't really know them. |
KING SALASI
MAJOR DISTRIBUTION
209
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Posted - 2013.08.11 19:05:00 -
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The problem is not proto gear it's the players. People that squad up have mics and play as a team.
People that don't squad or do squad DON'T USE MICS WTF.
That's the problem CCP needs to have built in squads this random player thing doesn't.
Proto gear running teams is not the problem. It's randoms not using mics is the problem.
Why play an online MP without a mic? |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
353
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Posted - 2013.08.11 19:08:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote: this game already takes less overall skill than many other shooters
Yeah, like AV. |
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5699
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Posted - 2013.08.11 19:15:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:DUST Fiend wrote: this game already takes less overall skill than many other shooters
Yeah, like AV.
Omg <3 my Ishukone, the tears...such rage....such user friendly WP farming...mmm.... |
Mad Mav
Brotherhood of the Commissioned
168
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Posted - 2013.08.11 19:26:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:(USAS-12 + Frags, or my beloved MAV, R.I.P you flying hatemail generator )
Did ya miss me?  |
Mamertine Son
R.E.B.E.L.S
71
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Posted - 2013.08.11 19:30:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:DUST Fiend wrote: this game already takes less overall skill than many other shooters
Yeah, like AV.
If I have to listen to another murder-hell-death-fire taxi QQ about AV I'm going to blow my own clone's brains out with a scrambler pistol.
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Zero Harpuia
WarRavens
League of Infamy
623
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Posted - 2013.08.11 19:32:00 -
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It's the same reason people hate Faction Ship players in EVE. No matter how well you do the practice is untenable, you will almost never come out ahead, so why are you doing it? That's the idea anyway. 2 deaths in a protosuit will ensure you lose money.
Plus, there is the 'Sunday Best' theory. You bring out your best kit when you need it (PC) and save that kit for special occasions otherwise (Pubs). Always bringing your Sunday Best makes others feel there is something wrong with the risk v reward system. |
A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
342
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Posted - 2013.08.11 19:33:00 -
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There are lots of reasons. Some are petty and some not. My only real concern is player retention. I mean really new players who probably don't recognise Militia, STD, ADV or Proto suits at first glance etc but do notice that they can not hurt, break the shield, of a lot of players but die in a microsecond when shot at.
Those who stick around for a few weeks will learn but I suspect a lot of the new players give up after a day or 2 especially now with the changes to the academy.
To anyone who mentions that there was no academy in Chromosone I would say things were different as the pool of experienced, knowledgable players was much smaller in comparison to the influx of new players and there were far fewer protos at the beginning.
Running proto is fine we just need to protect the new player base more and it is generally more fun playing against those of a similar ability most of the time. |
CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
161
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Posted - 2013.08.11 19:41:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:Just wondering why there is such a big deal about players using proto in pub matches?
Surely the idea of the game is to grind skills, get proto gear and use it?
is it jealously from newbies who cant use it? vets who cant afford to use it? i dunno.
i have a ton of isk and the skills available. i've spent good money on boosters both passive and active and i've grinded week in week out since january to get into my proto gear and i'm sure others have so why is it the player base seem to have the need of shunning it to appear 'da leetestez'
in any other FPS game you work up the ranks to unlock the better guns and use them, i don't go getting hate mail on BF3 cos i'm using my L85A2. Just seems pretty dumb to me
Most of us can use it, yes there are going to be a few people who are just jealous, and others that maybe cant afford, or dont want to afford.
However for myself and people in my corp I think it comes down to two things.
1. Until there is a proper matchmaking system of some sort in place, or we have the option to chose what 'level or meta level' of battle, squads and teams of proto guys just ruin the balance of the game for newer players.
2. I think though more importantly, its possibly a sense of honour. Knowing that you have the lesser powered weapons and suits and are relying more on skills and tactics where you can.
Incidentally going cheap AND killing protos nets nice amounts of isk.
EDIT-
Just to clarify - No.1 - not only does this affect new players but currently battles can be very imbalanced at times, having proto squads and teams just exacerbates the situation.
No.2 - Yes this IS a choice so people shouldn't moan that they can't attain eHonour. |
Taeryn Frost
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2013.08.11 19:48:00 -
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I've been killed by adv and proto weapons the most. So I got myself advanced and proto weapons. I don't discriminate based on the suit someone has. I've lost my proto frame to militia frames, so I consider everyone a threat. **** happens.
I think what makes players discontent is the fact that a well organized squad or two will decimate the other team. Losing to a good squad, I can deal. Losing a match while the other team has 65 out of their 80 clones, no one will have fun losing in such a hopeless manner.
Hopefully CCP will role out a decent matchmaker and such issues will be taken care of. I won't hold my breath personally. I'll just keep doing what I can do, changing the variables and retooling my fits until i'm more capable at surviving and enemy disposal. |
Aisha Ctarl
The Generals
EoN.
1006
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Posted - 2013.08.11 19:49:00 -
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I simply save my proto gear for PC matches only where the edge truly matters.
I don't see the logic behind using expensive proto gear in a pub match just to have an edge for a match that means NOTHING, you get the ISK and SP regardless. |
Asirius Medaius
Planetary Response Organization
Test Friends Please Ignore
193
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Posted - 2013.08.11 19:53:00 -
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Mamertine Son wrote:Aizen Intiki wrote:Mamertine Son wrote:
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That's a little frustrating for someone like me who has to continually alternate in order to manage a decent cash-flow. (I'm way too obsessed with KDR to run militia but I have considered AFKing as a viable income.)
8 mil a day per district, maybe more. Some corps/ alliances have several, so they can just **** out ISK to people. And there you have it. This is where decent matchmaking, or tier-cide would fix a lot of angst pub matches currently generate. My favorite idea was to create a tiered match system. 1- paid low isk 2-paid med isk 3- paid high isk 4- paid even higher (you get the point) That essentially would force people to only bring their proto to the lvl 4 or higher matches because anything lower wouldn't be cost effective. That idea obviously will have its limitations but I don't really know them.
And your favorite idea will still be useless as huge groups of people who have **** loads of isk will continue to match up in "low-isk" with all of their proto gear and have fun.
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Mamertine Son
R.E.B.E.L.S
71
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Posted - 2013.08.11 19:54:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:I simply save my proto gear for PC matches only where the edge truly matters.
I don't see the logic behind using expensive proto gear in a pub match just to have an edge for a match that means NOTHING, you get the ISK and SP regardless.
KDR's
I love polishing my KDR and would use proto every chance if i had the funds.
EDIT: but I've played against you once or twice and admire your skill |
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Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
388
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Posted - 2013.08.11 20:00:00 -
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because they dont know how to use teamwork and for some reason think the proto squads are the problem rather then them failing at being solo rambos |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
115
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Posted - 2013.08.11 20:06:00 -
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Because proto vs militia is unfair. Or maybe not idk you decide. |
Taeryn Frost
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:11:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Because proto vs militia is unfair. Or maybe not idk you decide.
They can make an all militia mode if they want fairness. I think that battles in Dust are like battles in Eve. If its a fair fight you're doing it wrong. I want every advantage I can get. I mean, if you want to handicap yourself to test your skills that's fine too, but that's not everyone's playstyle. Maybe when I can go 30-2 like some of these guys I may want more of a challenge and will use weaker gear. |
TEBOW BAGGINS
Rebel Raiders Inc.
870
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:15:00 -
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because ther butthurt they can';t afford proto themselves but rest assured when they can they will use it. so if you can't afford proto your option is to jump on a vocal QQ bandwagon and hate on the ppl who can. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
2928
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:18:00 -
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What bugs me about protobears is that they still run proto despite it being a poor way to get ISK. In pub matches, it's a lose-lose situation when someone brings out proto: the proto user doesn't profit as much as they might with cheaper gear, while the other team doesn't have fun.
I can understand using it in merc battles or PC, but using it in instant battles is just obnoxious. |
Ripcord19981
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
37
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Posted - 2013.08.11 23:43:00 -
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as long as u could outstrafe a proto, u should be fine and able to kill em even with militia |
Nirwanda Vaughns
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
75
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Posted - 2013.08.12 04:19:00 -
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Well from checking the response i think its mainly down to general misery b***h whining.
I use my proto setup in both pub and pc, i admit i'm not the best fps gamer out there and it has made me a better gamer but i also think that is down to running with a select few peopel in a squad, there is probably 10 of us who all run together and we're becoming a great balanced team, we have a mass driver guy, a mid range sniper with a tac rifle, myself who is logi av, couple heavies and several of us are runnin proto logi suits too. we stick together, we communicate and we're winning. sometimes the other guys use their proto or advanced suits, sometimes if isk is low they run militia, most are better gunners than myself so they can run basic stuff and still be efective. I've been killed by militia, adv and proto in pib matches. personally i believe no matter what suits you're using you're still open to luck and chance.
Also in EVE i use my Sleip more than my Mach, such a far better ship. guess i'll just use my proto gear for the forseeable future seeing as i can afford to lose it atm :D and for those of you who either cant use it or cant afford to well, sucks to be you lol |
Ld Collins
The Phalanx Inc
21
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Posted - 2013.08.12 05:07:00 -
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Polishing your KDR on players with less SP does nothing but raise your KDR you're probably just as bummy as the people you kill or worse. You just happened to have more SP this is what I don't get you wast time fudging numbers but if you met someone with similar Sp you'd probably get a hole stomped into you. It's like when your a high level player on an MMO and all you do is pk newbies then those newbies level past you and own you. Those noobs you steam roll the ones who don't quit they are gaining far more experience than you and once they bridge the SP gap your KDR will drop and you'll eventually quit. I'd take WPG over KDR any day if you have the skills that your KDR says you have then why do you need protogear to protect you in a pub match? You don't have better skills then the people you face, you just have better gear I'm pretty sure you could run an advanced suit in a pub and still do very well.
Id only use protogear in merc battles because you could sync squads its more likely you'd run into a like minded squad and have a fierce battle without needing to setup a PC match. You could pretty much run scrimmage matches or tryouts for corps. |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
418
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Posted - 2013.08.12 05:17:00 -
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Reasons why I hate proto bears in pub matches.
1) Owning potential players
2) Most of them need proto gear to keep a good KDR
I don't mind proto players its just that, my militia/ standard gear teammates ate going 0/11, 1/16 etc. Most likely quit the game to play a better and a more fair game then this. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
4111
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Posted - 2013.08.12 05:56:00 -
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Back in Chromosome prototype meant something. The suits were so goddamned expensive that if you died at least once, you knew you were going to be in the red. Wearing that black suit with the red "eyes" put a target on your chest to red dots and if you didn't have the SP invested into core skills, that target was twice as big. If you were smart, you'd run with trusted corp mates that had needles and reppers just to make sure you didn't lose that expensive fitting. That black suit struck fear in the hearts of newberries, but it gave everyone else an incentive to hunt you down to fatten their wallet.
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