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Mamertine Son
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Posted - 2013.08.11 18:56:00 -
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Probably because people hate dying against stuff that's going to take months to attain themselves.
Also I suspect the majority of people who stomp pub matches with their pro to gear are running and corp/sqaud that has a stake in PC. Now I don't really know but I've heard PC generates enough ISK for some people that they can basically run proto for an eternity.
That's a little frustrating for someone like me who has to continually alternate in order to manage a decent cash-flow. (I'm way too obsessed with KDR to run militia but I have considered AFKing as a viable income.) |
Mamertine Son
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Posted - 2013.08.11 19:05:00 -
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Aizen Intiki wrote:Mamertine Son wrote:
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That's a little frustrating for someone like me who has to continually alternate in order to manage a decent cash-flow. (I'm way too obsessed with KDR to run militia but I have considered AFKing as a viable income.)
8 mil a day per district, maybe more. Some corps/ alliances have several, so they can just **** out ISK to people.
And there you have it. This is where decent matchmaking, or tier-cide would fix a lot of angst pub matches currently generate.
My favorite idea was to create a tiered match system.
1- paid low isk
2-paid med isk
3- paid high isk
4- paid even higher (you get the point)
That essentially would force people to only bring their proto to the lvl 4 or higher matches because anything lower wouldn't be cost effective. That idea obviously will have its limitations but I don't really know them. |
Mamertine Son
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Posted - 2013.08.11 19:30:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:DUST Fiend wrote: this game already takes less overall skill than many other shooters
Yeah, like AV.
If I have to listen to another murder-hell-death-fire taxi QQ about AV I'm going to blow my own clone's brains out with a scrambler pistol.
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Mamertine Son
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Posted - 2013.08.11 19:54:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:I simply save my proto gear for PC matches only where the edge truly matters.
I don't see the logic behind using expensive proto gear in a pub match just to have an edge for a match that means NOTHING, you get the ISK and SP regardless.
KDR's
I love polishing my KDR and would use proto every chance if i had the funds.
EDIT: but I've played against you once or twice and admire your skill |
Mamertine Son
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:34:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:
Also in EVE i use my Sleip more than my Mach, such a far better ship. guess i'll just use my proto gear for the forseeable future seeing as i can afford to lose it atm :D and for those of you who either cant use it or cant afford to well, sucks to be you lol
that's exactly the kind of sentiment that's angering a lot of new players, and some mid aged one's. The proto spam is really more of a problem of the supreme ISK buildup some players can manage. Which is fine because if I had billions of ISK I'd run proto all day too. The game shouldn't have to account for players to follow some boshido honor code, if that were the case we'd all line up in a field and take turns firing at each other.
The main reason I even touch my proto is so that I can have fun because I have fun when I kill a lot of stuff. I imagine that's what a lot of players are thinking so when they can't kill a lot of stuff they get frustrated. |
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Posted - 2013.08.12 21:46:00 -
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proto gear makes me vote for tier-cide. |
Mamertine Son
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:03:00 -
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Aizen Intiki wrote:Mamertine Son wrote:
My favorite idea was to create a tiered match system.
1- paid low isk
2-paid med isk
3- paid high isk
4- paid even higher (you get the point)
That essentially would force people to only bring their proto to the lvl 4 or higher matches because anything lower wouldn't be cost effective. That idea obviously will have its limitations but I don't really know them.
tiercide means the act of murdering tiers, so what the heavenly **** are you talking about?
It was an idea I saw in the feedback/requests thread, I wanted to link it here but I couldn't find it and don't really want to invest time digging for it.
Anyway, if I confused you because I mentioned the word tier-cide a line above this idea, I apologize.
The two aren't related. The request thread was talking about revamping the entire joining match system, that is to say, instead of joining skirmish, ambush, dom, you would join one of a few leveled matches that define an ISK range payout after the match.
tiercide, as you probably already know, is all about demolishing the skill tree and I only mentioned it as an off hand comment about fixes people have suggested for limiting proto-stomping frustration.
Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote:
You can run proto and make a steady income. Even if you do it solo. To be honest - a suit doesn't matter, a gek with proficiency leveled to 5 is OK to kill a pro suit. Just because you see a guy wearing a proto suit doesn't mean he is good.
Yeah and knowing that people do manage to kill protos with their GEK's and adv assault suits still doesn't stop me from experiencing existential butt hurt every time a proto [*insert thing*] slaps me across the face especially when I pull out my own GEK and still can't kill him.
Also, I make, on average 200k per match and probably die 3 or four times (when I do really well). I think my proto is 125k so unless I have a epicly good game, which happens, I'm generally going to come out red in the match. |
Mamertine Son
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Posted - 2013.08.12 22:57:00 -
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SirManBoy wrote:Garbage play is tantamount to not being able to budget in this game. I run proto gear exclusively in every pub match I play because I am skilled enough and smart enough to minimize my clone losses. Most people can't accomplish this because their playstyle is wreckless and therefore extremely expensive. In my estimation, the jealousy this elicits is simply a projection of a player's own inadequacies.
Congratulations, your natural FPS skill allows you to effectively play in proto and still earn ISK, mine does not. I play in ADV gear and have just finished earning 7mil.
In BF3 I run decent stats, 15-4 on a good day, 9-12 (sometimes worse on a bad) but losing isn't really a problem because it has no impact other than a drop in KDR. I consider myself a mid level FPS player and that's not going to change. Some people will always be better than others at FPS and there simply is no avenue to raise a person's skill any higher.
If DUST wants to cater to high level players and further augment their power with items that far out-weight their lower variants that's fine. I'll play a different shooter, one that doesn't make me work as hard because when I come home from work all I want to do is relax and have a little fun.
I'm just recommending that DUST give the majority of the player base some slack because for me, a half decent FPS player who still runs with guys in a squad that think shooting the MCC will do them any good, dying 18 times in a match is neither relaxing nor fun.
The game needs to be a little less punishing to players who are either just learning the game's mechanics or who are only so good at shooters to begin with and CCP wouldn't even have to sacrifice the complexity of the game to do it
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