Get out of your murder taxi before you give me an aneurism.

Removing proto AV temporarily will be a temporary hotfix for the imbalance between vehicles and AV.

We are using STD vehicles that get two-shotted by proto AV. How is this fair? It isn't. I'm not even asking for the removal of ADV AV. If AV vs vehicles is still imbalanced, remove ADV AV next. But for now just remove proto AV.

How would you proto dropsuits like it if a militia AR can two-shot you? That's how we feel.

No. simple as that.

Removing proto AV temporarily will be a temporary hotfix for the imbalance between vehicles and AV.

We are using STD vehicles that get two-shotted by proto AV. How is this fair? It isn't. I'm not even asking for the removal of ADV AV. If AV vs vehicles is still imbalanced, remove ADV AV next. But for now just remove proto AV.

How would you proto dropsuits like it if a militia AR can two-shot you? That's how we feel.

My IA FG takes 3 shots to take out a Logi LAV and usually 2 to take out a BR Saga. That seems more than generous to LAV drivers. It took me several million SP to get where I am with my FG. I put time into being able to use it. Stop crying and wait for 1.5 to complain. Nothing is changing til then anyways.

Just get a better vehicle that simple and improve your vehicle maneuvering skills. Not that hard

My IA FG takes 3 shots to take out a Logi LAV and usually 2 to take out a BR Saga. That seems more than generous to LAV drivers. It took me several million SP to get where I am with my FG. I put time into being able to use it. Stop crying and wait for 1.5 to complain. Nothing is changing til then anyways.

We've been waiting for over a YEAR! You only have a few million SP, I have over 8!

Also, LAvs are OP. Don't use them as an example, and you know it. HAVs are easier to destroy than LAVs

Nope, just get rid of everything with the PROTO and ADV tag. Tiercide FTMFW!

I actually have 15 mil SP with around 10 in FGs. I know what I'm talking about.

Your post said vehicles. LAVs are vehicles. As I said before, vehicles are being reworked in 1.5. Crying now won't do anything. They know about the issues. Besides, if I 2 shot your tank, you need a better tank. I have great battles with tankers every day. People assume tanks should be auto-win. Nope. If you don't wanna lose it, don't use it. Especially against me.

How would you proto dropsuits like it if a militia AR can two-shot you? That's how we feel.

How many times do I have to say that there is NO better tank?

I can do nothing about OP forge guns. Especially the breach. You never see it charging, so the forger gets 4.5 seconds for free. Then another 4.5s while you are wondering what just hit you and BOOM!

Get out of your murder taxi before you give me an aneurism.

My IA FG takes 3 shots to take out a Logi LAV and usually 2 to take out a BR Saga. That seems more than generous to LAV drivers. It took me several million SP to get where I am with my FG. I put time into being able to use it. Stop crying and wait for 1.5 to complain. Nothing is changing til then anyways.

Just get a better vehicle that simple and improve your vehicle maneuvering skills. Not that hard

Removing proto AV temporarily will be a temporary hotfix for the imbalance between vehicles and AV.

We are using STD vehicles that get two-shotted by proto AV. How is this fair? It isn't. I'm not even asking for the removal of ADV AV. If AV vs vehicles is still imbalanced, remove ADV AV next. But for now just remove proto AV.

How would you proto dropsuits like it if a militia AR can two-shot you? That's how we feel.

This will never happen because using teamwork is too hard for infantry

I actually have 15 mil SP with around 10 in FGs. I know what I'm talking about.

Your post said vehicles. LAVs are vehicles. As I said before, vehicles are being reworked in 1.5. Crying now won't do anything. They know about the issues. Besides, if I 2 shot your tank, you need a better tank. I have great battles with tankers every day. People assume tanks should be auto-win. Nope. If you don't wanna lose it, don't use it. Especially against me.

Do you fail to bring the necessary tools for the job?

We've been waiting for over a YEAR! You only have a few million SP, I have over 8!

Also, LAvs are OP. Don't use them as an example, and you know it. HAVs are easier to destroy than LAVs

Yes. Simple as that. Then watch all the vehicles stop QQing

Removing proto AV temporarily will be a temporary hotfix for the imbalance between vehicles and AV.

We are using STD vehicles that get two-shotted by proto AV. How is this fair? It isn't. I'm not even asking for the removal of ADV AV. If AV vs vehicles is still imbalanced, remove ADV AV next. But for now just remove proto AV.

How would you proto dropsuits like it if a militia AR can two-shot you? That's how we feel.

You're forgetting the near 10mil SP in vehicle upgrades to make them harder to kill. Then it's 1.8 to get the Logi LAV to lvl 5. The only reason I can see anyone using STD vehicles is to save on ISK.

It takes several million SP to not get one-shotted by ADV AV.

I keep seeing the Breach variant of FG being called in here.









You can't move while it charges, which is a nasty amount of time. Just saying.

Except it usually takes concentrated fire or a horrible driver to bust a tank quickly and if I remember right you guys also tend to drive away from your own blue dots as fast as you can since many tankers seem to rant and rave about guys manning their small turrets shooting things

So you have one guy actively avoiding back up from his teammates up against a few other guys working together to quickly take him out since his weaponry is a huge threat
And you say we are the ones that dont know how to use teamwork

Yes. Simple as that. Then watch all the vehicles stop QQing

In pub matches yes i drive away fast because lolbluedots dont know which end the bullets come out of

When i run with a group sometimes i may have a gunner, he jumps out now n again to deal with ppl if they are in range and not on the highest point of the map like most AV are, if its AV nades by the time he gets out all the nades are thrown and im driving away

The gunner is ther just to hit ppl in general and watch my back but essentially a sniper can do the same job

In PC its different, i dont run with a gunner and depending on whats happening i can rely on blue dots to get rid of most AV anyways

2 shots from a breech forge 12 seconds is a lifetime for a infantry man if u can not hide in that time u deserve to die

1. Except it usually takes concentrated fire or a horrible driver to bust a tank quickly

2. and if I remember right you guys also tend to drive away from your own blue dots as fast as you can since many tankers seem to rant and rave about guys manning their small turrets shooting things

So you have one guy actively avoiding back up from his teammates up against a few other guys working together to quickly take him out since his weaponry is a huge threat
And you say we are the ones that dont know how to use teamwork

I keep seeing the Breach variant of FG being called in here.

You can't move while it charges, which is a nasty amount of time. Just saying.

And you're forgetting that Vehicles can really only be taken out by AV, with the occasional lolturret and OB thrown in there. AV players can be taken out by anything an Assault or Logi or any other infantry can be killed by. It makes sense for vehicles to cost more SP.

1. lol No it doesn't take concentrated fire. One person with 4 Lai Dai depending on how much shield a Madrugar has, or if modules are cooling down, is more than enough to take out one armor tank. There's been more than one occasion when I got alpha'd, because the other team brought the tools for the job, and used them together. That's called insta-pop.

The problem a lot of lone AV people have is that they want to pop that tank by themselves, when odds are they just don't put out enough damage by themselves to do it, but by god they want CCP to nerf tanks to the point where they can.

2. Blue dots are stupid. Surprisingly stupid. If they were told to jump off a bridge because there's something they'd want under it, like a bottle of whiskey or a scantily clad blond, they'd do it. Every time some random jumps into my turret, they fire it right away. And every time, one second after they jump in, I have to deal with the "whoomp whoomp whoomp" of my cycled missile firing because they don't know which turret is which. Then, they do it again because they can't believe their good fortune to have found a turret that fires 3 missiles. I then proceed to stay right there hoping they'll jump out, because I don't want some trigger happy moron giving away my position, and firing at targets I'm not yet ready to engage. Then when they do jump out, they have the nerve to act indignant because I won't take them places, shooting or meleeing my tank then jumping back in. They're like a bad girlfriend, always wanting you to take her places and buy her things.

2 shots from a breech forge 12 seconds is a lifetime for a infantry man if u can not hide in that time u deserve to die

remove pro and adv AV, no **** they wont be QQing.. the infantry will again while tanks roll around scared of maybe 2% of community getting 40-0. How about they just release proto tanks and you tankers htfu like you told us to do so many times

Still doesnt really sound like team work to me, more like you go do your thing and the rest of the team does their thing and hope for the best but QQ when people decide to fight back
Hell, if I remember right back in the day tankers and such told people to spec into AV if they were tired of tanks rolling over them and now that we have you guys cant seem to handle it

Ill tell you where you lost credibility
It was when you said that a person needed more grenades then they are actually capable of carrying without a restock to blow up a tank
And then you follow it up by saying youve been insta popped by a team like that is somehow not fire being concentrated on you

QQ anymore and your toy tank will start to rust from the inside you guys

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL! Assault suits are capable of carrying nanohives. Logi suits are capable of carrying more than one nanohive. Did I really need to point this out before? I don't think I'm the one that lost any credibility.

Get rid of murder taxis, then we can talk about proto AV removal.

Guess what, you drive into a situation that allows someone to have enough time and cover to restock and blow you up with just grenades then you are a bad driver, no two ways about it and every tanker that whines and moans and thinks sitting in their tin can should exempt them from thinking at even the most basic tactical level has zero credibility

Removing proto AV temporarily will be a temporary hotfix for the imbalance between vehicles and AV.

We are using STD vehicles that get two-shotted by proto AV. How is this fair? It isn't. I'm not even asking for the removal of ADV AV. If AV vs vehicles is still imbalanced, remove ADV AV next. But for now just remove proto AV.

How would you proto dropsuits like it if a militia AR can two-shot you? That's how we feel.

Tell you what, let's temporarily remove proto AV and as a fair trade, we also remove LAV tires while it's gone.

Read my OP again.

Get out of your murder taxi before you give me an aneurism.

Hey, don't be giving people the wrong idea.

Tiericide is about SUITS, not modules. Modules and weapons need to have meta levels to allow proper variety in fitting.

We tell you to HTFU? When? You've been telling that to us through consecutive tank nerfs.

Still doesnt really sound like team work to me, more like you go do your thing and the rest of the team does their thing and hope for the best but QQ when people decide to fight back
Hell, if I remember right back in the day tankers and such told people to spec into AV if they were tired of tanks rolling over them and now that we have you guys cant seem to handle it

Yes. Simple as that. Then watch all the vehicles stop QQing

False equivalency. Also, removing proto AV would make taking the other high-end vehicles out almost impossible without a full 6 man team of AV working in unison. Logi LAV's and logi DS's are already nearly impossible to drop due to their speed and maneuverability. So..... no.

Here's how to fix your dilemma. Get CCP to fix the kb/m speed buff to tanks, then you can request a tank (prolly Amarr) with 1.5x the EHP and half the speed of a maxed armor tank with additional passive damage resistance. It has almost no hill climbing torque and cannot be speed boosted, but will be a crawling fortress with the ability to transport up to 6 people (no vehicle kill assists for regular passengers). Then you tankers will have your speed tank, your balanced tank, and your tanky tank that can double as an APC. Then you'll have a vehicle that can absorb hits just like every other vehicle class.

NOW then, enough with the "remove proto" topics, it's not gonna happen so their's no point in trying

Removing proto AV temporarily will be a temporary hotfix for the imbalance between vehicles and AV.

We are using STD vehicles that get two-shotted by proto AV. How is this fair? It isn't. I'm not even asking for the removal of ADV AV. If AV vs vehicles is still imbalanced, remove ADV AV next. But for now just remove proto AV.

For clarification purposes as people seem to think I'm QQing that my Saga murder taxi gets two-shotted, this has nothing to do with LAVs! Nerf their health, I don't care what, but they are OP compared to HAVs and dropships... Well, the Scout LAV should be buffed somehow.

Removing proto AV temporarily will be a temporary hotfix for the imbalance between vehicles and AV.

We are using STD vehicles that get two-shotted by proto AV. How is this fair? It isn't. I'm not even asking for the removal of ADV AV. If AV vs vehicles is still imbalanced, remove ADV AV next. But for now just remove proto AV.

For clarification purposes as people seem to think I'm QQing that my Saga murder taxi gets two-shotted, this has nothing to do with LAVs! Nerf their health, I don't care what, but they are OP compared to HAVs and dropships... Well, the Scout LAV should be buffed somehow.

Look you little c**t.

As it is you cant destroy ANY vehicle with a MLT/STD Swarm launcher.
The Driver/Pilot must be a complete dumb f**k to even get killed by standard or advanced swarms or be running a MLT vehicle with No Mods on it.
Except proto , you really dont have a chance SOLO trying to destroy a vehicle with a half brained pilot/driver...

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The Forge gun is Highly effective vs dropships, Dont kill LAVs unless they stay still , and yeah, Tanks that wander too far into cities might get blown apart.

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Av nades. SERIOUSLY. You need to be at 9 or less mts to use them. NO infantry is going to RUN 100+ mts to use their nades and TRY to hit a vehicle with them. If you get killed by them, you were NOT supposed to be there.

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PE, dont work at all

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Get off your freakn LAV and use the weapons . YOu'll se they are not as OP as you say.

QQ about everything arent we....

logi DS's are already nearly impossible to drop due to their speed and maneuverability.

NOW then, enough with the "remove proto" topics, it's not gonna happen so their's no point in trying