Well then learn to fly them so you don't go through them like firewood. If I drop 1,000,000 ISK into an aircraft so I can have decent countermeasures and Jovian Fusion Cores to be able to move the damn thing, I don't want to be sharing the airspace with some bozo who is just going to TRY to land on the top of a building, but will probably just end up doing a backflip before making love to the ground with his thrusters.

To review:
1) Darn right they cost a lot, you need to pay for that power
2) Learn to fly. I can make an Assault ship last four matches if I am careful.
3) Last thing we need are more roof forge gunners

and I think I forgot

4) There is already a limit on dropships that can occupy an airspace, I don't want a mechanical illiterate to be denying me that spot.

Well then learn to fly them so you don't go through them like firewood. If I drop 1,000,000 ISK into an aircraft so I can have decent countermeasures and Jovian Fusion Cores to be able to move the damn thing, I don't want to be sharing the airspace with some bozo who is just going to TRY to land on the top of a building, but will probably just end up doing a backflip before making love to the ground with his thrusters.

To review:
1) Darn right they cost a lot, you need to pay for that power
2) Learn to fly. I can make an Assault ship last four matches if I am careful.
3) Last thing we need are more roof forge gunners

and I think I forgot

4) There is already a limit on dropships that can occupy an airspace, I don't want a mechanical illiterate to be denying me that spot.

over priced.

Reading the thread title for a sec I thought you had finally cracked Nguruthos. Whatever happened to the discount the Devs were talking about?

Good topic to bring back up. +1

Aside are those Jovian engines the ones people have to unlock with the dead weight Vehicle Maneuvering skill?

Reading the thread title for a sec I thought you had finally cracked Nguruthos. Whatever happened to the discount the Devs were talking about?

Good topic to bring back up. +1

Aside are those Jovian engines the ones people have to unlock with the dead weight Vehicle Maneuvering skill?

Well then learn to fly them so you don't go through them like firewood. If I drop 1,000,000 ISK into an aircraft so I can have decent countermeasures and Jovian Fusion Cores to be able to move the damn thing, I don't want to be sharing the airspace with some bozo who is just going to TRY to land on the top of a building, but will probably just end up doing a backflip before making love to the ground with his thrusters.

To review:
1) Darn right they cost a lot, you need to pay for that power
2) Learn to fly. I can make an Assault ship last four matches if I am careful.
3) Last thing we need are more roof forge gunners

and I think I forgot

4) There is already a limit on dropships that can occupy an airspace, I don't want a mechanical illiterate to be denying me that spot.

they take the least amount of skill to use thats why they cost so much,there is nothing to hit at MCC height.

well beside this comment being dumb since pilots who know for fact that this jibe is illogical I`ll just tag this as a fail comment, because at MCC height there are things to be hit by including all the AV, and for those embarrassing moments, the MCC itself. MCC eight is no where near out of range of AV.

You pay a lot to be 2-3 shot by forge guns :P

Buy afterburners. As soon as you come under fire, increase altitude and wave off until you can get someone in your squad to suppress and area, then follow up with a gun run.

This is the issue with the community, all of you want a one step fix to problems. Instead of planning out and coordinating attacks, the buck almost always stops at "MAH FLAYLOCK GOES BOOM!"

Useless.

Reading the thread title for a sec I thought you had finally cracked Nguruthos. Whatever happened to the discount the Devs were talking about?

Good topic to bring back up. +1

Aside are those Jovian engines the ones people have to unlock with the dead weight Vehicle Maneuvering skill?

So strange to hear a Darkstar down-playing ds pilot skill when one of the best pilots I've ever seen is in your corp. Ask Evolution-7 if piloting is easy, I'm sure he'll educate you.

they take the least amount of skill to use thats why they cost so much,there is nothing to hit at MCC height.

No good Dropship pilot would be at MCC height anyway, unless they are evading swarms or forge gunners. A real Aerial Support Dropship Pilot would be flying just above ground level, right through the city. P.S. This might be bragging, but i can do that.

I owe you a drink.

Again, my play-style is fitted more for the shock-and-awe factor, and there is no better feeling then ripping between two buildings five feet off the ground. Granted, I have a lot of respect for guys like you who can hover through a facility.

They said the reduction would be about 1/3. It was more like 1/4th off,but then most came back in the form of turrets and hulls lol.

What used to be a 1.5 million ISK dropship is now like... a 1.3 million isk dropship.

Except they're still terrible so...

Yeah.

you don't take damage from the MCC unless they patched that. and AV hits from the ground to the dropship not because it is that high, just wait bomber will make everyone scream reduce height ceiling. but im waiting on amarrian tech to come out.

How about we just ******* crucify the very idea of Bomber Dropships and then burn the remains in flaming nitric acid.

We have ENOUGH Dropship recolors already. Let's get some different air vehicles.

Oh, and maybe fix the WP gain for the current ones so you can actually get something for transporting and spawning people.

Quit making sense. Who is the opposite of you? we need them designing vehicles.

I have not lost one of my lovely +25 Prometheus' from the challenge
My attitude? I don't give a ****.
I will slowly circle the objective dropping guy's off, offering a gun platform to support an offensive and fly that sucker 2 foot off the ground at top speed (no afterburners or overdrives, just built like a brick)

Like its name suggests, Its bringing the fire

Edit - my new favourite game is squishing snipers

Any dropship is a good dropship, as long as its not getting shot at.

Grats on playing a few games while being 100% ignored.

Once they pull out anything over militia AV and have any intent to kill you, you'll change your tune.

You presume much?
I'm often hit by AV, I either ignore it or circle round to boost depending on what caused it. If anything I seek AV to get the blueberries out.

What really confuses me is the flaylock kick that is outrageously exaggerated for the damage caused (how dare he scratch my paint!)

[I presume nothing.

militia FG does 1300-1400 base damage.

Assaults can hit 2200 and about 1.5x more if in the 'weak spot'.
I've made every conceivable drop ship fit and know too well their durability. Even with an AB, logi ships are slow. Their vertical acceleration is terrible. There is no fitting for any ship which can tank more than 3 assault forge hits without being dead.

There is no assault forge gunner is is bad enough to not take down a logi DS in a skirm/dom. If they got within 200-250 meters of you they could kill you faster than any defenses, reps or maneuver could save you. The math does not add up that you'd live if anyone tried to really kill you. Got lucky.

Yes the math isn't in the favour but it is a big (ok not really) battlefield and we're not the only players. All I can say is I wouldn't run a DS if we didn't have lots of active players who know what they're doing. If I take a forge hit I know my corp mates will prioritise to take it down if it means the built in CRU can stay near the objective to bring in more mercs.
Also why should I go up? I don't need climb when the cover is ground based. If I climb wouldn't I be presenting myself as an easier target?
We all need luck. If I'm going -¡-¡20-¦2 battles and no loss of DS then I don't mind being called lucky

PS if you're that lucky somehow then I want to ride with you next week.

I'll give it 3 games before an RDV knocks you outta the sky. And maybe 2 games before an assault forge will wreck any feeling of skill right out of you faster than you can do a thing.

Lol me and skill

Not saying it couldn't happen.

Just that it won't. Sometimes people hit the lotto.
You won't be so lucky with me as a witness. I'll put good money on that

Well I'd have to agree. Cus then the 'plan' would be to survive. and no plan survives contact with the enemy

:P

maybe that's my problem.
I'm usually trying to survive when an RDV decloaks inside of me : /

You pay a lot to be 2-3 shot by forge guns :P

Hey he can make it last 3 to 4 games at a push guys! Wow thats invincible!

I wish my logi LAV would last 2-3 games.... oh wait it does. 2-3 Dozen games heh!

I presume nothing.

militia FG does 1300-1400 base damage.

Assaults can hit 2200 and about 1.5x more if in the 'weak spot'.
I've made every conceivable drop ship fit and know too well their durability. Even with an AB, logi ships are slow. Their vertical acceleration is terrible. There is no fitting for any ship which can tank more than 3 assault forge hits without being dead.

There is no assault forge gunner is is bad enough to not take down a logi DS in a skirm/dom. If they got within 200-250 meters of you they could kill you faster than any defenses, reps or maneuver could save you. The math does not add up that you'd live if anyone tried to really kill you. Got lucky.

AV grenades should be able to fly 400 m into the air and kill those dropships.

Only then you can say tankers have way less problems.

Iv killed a proto AFG once, while in a ASD one proto missle right in his face, was a nice feling
Talking about DS being overpriced the main problem is the moduels
They have trippled their price since cromozone

no the turrets got the expensive sides of things, the modules were cheapened as well as DS and ADS, they will be cheapened (DS/ADS) again soon.

Well then learn to fly them so you don't go through them like firewood. If I drop 1,000,000 ISK into an aircraft so I can have decent countermeasures and Jovian Fusion Cores to be able to move the damn thing, I don't want to be sharing the airspace with some bozo who is just going to TRY to land on the top of a building, but will probably just end up doing a backflip before making love to the ground with his thrusters.

To review:
1) Darn right they cost a lot, you need to pay for that power
2) Learn to fly. I can make an Assault ship last four matches if I am careful.
3) Last thing we need are more roof forge gunners

and I think I forgot

4) There is already a limit on dropships that can occupy an airspace, I don't want a mechanical illiterate to be denying me that spot.

personal speculation

every time a dropship flies into the sun the second they get tapped by AV, it annoys the hell out of me, I don't know why it bugs me more then a tank or lav shrugging off AV like it was wet paper balls, but it really pisses me off.

it's like a mosquito just buzzing around....except it's armed with missle launchers and people with drop uplinks.

they may be over priced, but I know their are a few drop ships and pilots that make them work easy.

every time a dropship flies into the sun the second they get tapped by AV, it annoys the hell out of me, I don't know why it bugs me more then a tank or lav shrugging off AV like it was wet paper balls, but it really pisses me off.

it's like a mosquito just buzzing around....except it's armed with missle launchers and people with drop uplinks.

they may be over priced, but I know their are a few drop ships and pilots that make them work easy.

Yeah, and every helicopter in the world today can be shot down by a 2000 dollar RPG if the pilot is stupid or unlucky enough..., but that is not my point; the assault dropship needs is an advanced radar or lock on device, because its basically a flying shoe with guns.

Air superiority? Only thing the assault dropship in this game can do is to annoy tanks and pick of unlucky or terrorize weak infantry.