E-Bushido/E-Honor isn't something that belongs in Dust 514/Eve Online considering how ruthless it is.

However.... HOWEVER....

After playing a Domination match in which the ENTIRE enemy team (I was a sniper toward the end of the match so I could see this in the information panel on the bottom left) was running starter fits, I am hearby stating that until the Instant Battle Academy stops kicking people into the frying pan at 400 WP, I will -not- knowingly fire on the following suits:

Assault - Frontline
Assault - Medic
Assault - Sniper
Assault - Anti-Armor

The only exemption to this rule is that I will only knowingly fire on one of these suits in the event that you fire first.

I encourage those veterans who are interested to do the same.

I use those and militia gear alot lately (unless I'm supporting my squad with proto-hives/resp) so I'm not sure if they are all new players that just got out of academy.

...and if they were...saving them wouldn't help CCP understand their call-out for "how to better the experience of new players"-thing...or they could always come to the official AFK servers to train offcourse.

Don't have to rely on CCP to give new players a half decent experience and giving them a fighting chance is a good start for the community to welcome them until they have something more feasible. I can only imagine what's going to happen when AFK camping is fixed.

Give up free kills? You're out of your mind op.

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E-Bushido/E-Honor isn't something that belongs in Dust 514/Eve Online considering how ruthless it is.

However.... HOWEVER....

After playing a Domination match in which the ENTIRE enemy team (I was a sniper toward the end of the match so I could see this in the information panel on the bottom left) was running starter fits, I am hearby stating that until the Instant Battle Academy stops kicking people into the frying pan at 400 WP, I will -not- knowingly fire on the following suits:

Assault - Frontline
Assault - Medic
Assault - Sniper
Assault - Anti-Armor

The only exemption to this rule is that I will only knowingly fire on one of these suits in the event that you fire first.

I encourage those veterans who are interested to do the same.

This is a stupid idea and you are teaching new eden's new mercs to act like carebears in a competitive game.

Shame on you.

i shot a Sniper, same guy, 6 times because he kept going back to the same spot ?

you want me to go down and hold his hand like a school crossing guard next time to get him to a new spot ?

Competitive, huh. The kind of matches being talked about are anything but competitive. It's about having the grace to engage them in a fight where they can actually identify their assailant rather than just putting them down over and over with impersonal impunity.

To make an analogy, the Predator films: does the Predator indulging a duel instead of just shanking the low-tech primitives without much ado make it a carebear?

So, if a starter fit walks up to me, I have to let them kill me?

I'm gonna start using starter fits if this takes effect :)

Some people run the Militia gear to save up ISK for their special suits. I know I don't wanna use my Assault all the time. I'll use my militia gear, not only does it not cost ISK, you'be learned from playing the game from awhile so you can play just as good w/ a Militia as you would with a Adv. or Proto.

Running, Ducking and Covering are you're friends. Use them!
Besides you can't tell a noob from am experienced player when they're shooting at you.

Any noobs on should try to trick their enemy. **** if I have to run around a CRU so I don't get killed, I'll do it then go in the oyher direction and shoot them. Sometimes, people just ssy **** and walk off giving you a chance to shoot them in thr back and killing them.

The battlefield is no place for duels.

You are teaching them bad habits and investing into a weaker generation of players.

But the game is far more entertaining without such honour. Dark Souls taught me E BUSHIDO< Trolling Players as a Gravelord.

(I was a sniper toward the end of the match so I could see this in the information panel on the bottom left)

Give up free kills? You're out of your mind op.

Players are never going to get better unless they face others doing their best, and continually seeking more challenging opponents. Taking it easy on others, regardless of gear is doing them a disservice by teaching them bad habits.

How about instead of being a ***** you lead from the front as an example of how to win a match, so many domination's get to 1/4 shield dmg on the mcc and vets like you lead the charge on sitting back in the redline and sniping instead of getting into the fray and dropping uplinks where the nublets can spawn and fight on.

If you run around with a sniper rifle i'd probably sneer in your direction and forget you exist a few seconds later, only good sniper is one on comms doing anti AV overwatch for my tank or ADS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea6UuRTjkKs

As the video says, there is a difference between Difficult and Punishing. New players don't have the skills and tools they need when they're being thrown into the public matches at 400 WP. It's not "good or bad habits" it's the accessibility and ease of execution - there's no barrier between an Assault - Frontline and a Prototype Assault with a Duvolle Assault Rifle. The only way the new player can win that fight is by sheer luck, there's no tools that he can just pick up to make a sizable defense that is going to win against a higher Tier.

And that's not even taking into account skills affecting things like Damage, Weapon Dispersion/Recoil, Reload time, etc.

I hardly think that not shooting at a new player until they fire first teaches them bad habits - what the hell is he going to learn from that that could even remotely be sized as bad? Not walking out of the red line?

Edit: In the video, this quote says it best: "Don't ignore difficult curve. Just because a game is difficult doesn't mean that it's difficulty can just fluctuate wildly all over the place, have huge spikes or be unreasonably difficult up front."

Later: "You don't want to set something before them that causes them to walk away because they hit a challenge which is too tough too early."

Another important video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EitZRLt2G3w

There's evidence that overcoming a series of small challenges of increasing difficulty is the most effective way to build both skill and confidence. Increasingly difficult sports leagues as children get older is an institutionalized example. DUST 514 doesn't have the player base -- and may lack the instrumentation -- to create that kind of levelling. Going easy on less skilled players, however, might help.

Another possibility is deliberately inviting new players -- even in pick-up games -- into a squad to help them along and protect them a bit. It has lots of benefits, won't slow you down too much and lets you beat the snot out of people while feeling you are helping out the new guys. It supports your recruiting as well and isn't limited to just elite players -- anyone can help out a less experienced player.

I would do that but anyone and eve1 fores at me anyways so I fire back, but as a rule I tend to look for adv or proto guys anyways as I like the challenge (one of these days I will kill 13ear) but if someone in miltia gets in my way, they go down, not like its costing them ISK

I hardly think that not shooting at a new player until they fire first teaches them bad habits - what the hell is he going to learn from that that could even remotely be sized as bad? Not walking out of the red line?

I cut out the EC crap, cause that's all it is pretentious crap.

If you want to help new players squad with and inform them. Not shooting at them until first fired upon, creates disconnect as to why. They could have been running down the middle of the road in the complete open, and if no one ever fired on them they might start to think it was a good idea.

What's wrong with starter fits? 100% profit.

I wouldn't consider what we have to be tiers, since more powerful suits, modules, and weapons cost more. You just need to find the sweet-spot that causes you to profit. No point in getting 300,000 ISK in a battle if you lost 275,000 worth of gear.

I cut out the EC crap, cause that's all it is pretentious crap.

If you want to help new players squad with and inform them. Not shooting at them until first fired upon, creates disconnect as to why. They could have been running down the middle of the road in the complete open, and if no one ever fired on them they might start to think it was a good idea.