DUST Search - New Players and E-Bushido

Poplo Furuya wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

E-Bushido/E-Honor isn't something that belongs in Dust 514/Eve Online considering how ruthless it is.

However.... HOWEVER....

After playing a Domination match in which the ENTIRE enemy team (I was a sniper toward the end of the match so I could see this in the information panel on the bottom left) was running starter fits, I am hearby stating that until the Instant Battle Academy stops kicking people into the frying pan at 400 WP, I will -not- knowingly fire on the following suits:

Assault - Frontline
Assault - Medic
Assault - Sniper
Assault - Anti-Armor

The only exemption to this rule is that I will only knowingly fire on one of these suits in the event that you fire first.

I encourage those veterans who are interested to do the same.

This is a stupid idea and you are teaching new eden's new mercs to act like carebears in a competitive game.

Shame on you.

Competitive, huh. The kind of matches being talked about are anything but competitive. It's about having the grace to engage them in a fight where they can actually identify their assailant rather than just putting them down over and over with impersonal impunity.

To make an analogy, the Predator films: does the Predator indulging a duel instead of just shanking the low-tech primitives without much ado make it a carebear?

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Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2438	Posted - 2013.08.10 22:00:00 - [1] - Quote E-Bushido/E-Honor isn't something that belongs in Dust 514/Eve Online considering how ruthless it is. However.... HOWEVER.... After playing a Domination match in which the ENTIRE enemy team (I was a sniper toward the end of the match so I could see this in the information panel on the bottom left) was running starter fits, I am hearby stating that until the Instant Battle Academy stops kicking people into the frying pan at 400 WP, I will -not- knowingly fire on the following suits: Assault - Frontline Assault - Medic Assault - Sniper Assault - Anti-Armor The only exemption to this rule is that I will only knowingly fire on one of these suits in the event that you fire first. I encourage those veterans who are interested to do the same.
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 614	Posted - 2013.08.10 22:05:00 - [2] - Quote Aye. When trying to suppress an area with a FG for an allied force I tend to let those specific names pass freely, let them have a marginally fairer fight.
Bittersteel the Bastard WarRavens League of Infamy 107	Posted - 2013.08.10 22:07:00 - [3] - Quote I was thinking of just going solely after proto/adv suits for the salvage and for this anyways. +1
RKKR The Southern Legion 312	Posted - 2013.08.10 22:23:00 - [4] - Quote I use those and militia gear alot lately (unless I'm supporting my squad with proto-hives/resp) so I'm not sure if they are all new players that just got out of academy. ...and if they were...saving them wouldn't help CCP understand their call-out for "how to better the experience of new players"-thing...or they could always come to the official AFK servers to train offcourse.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1124	Posted - 2013.08.10 22:28:00 - [5] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: E-Bushido/E-Honor isn't something that belongs in Dust 514/Eve Online considering how ruthless it is. However.... HOWEVER.... After playing a Domination match in which the ENTIRE enemy team (I was a sniper toward the end of the match so I could see this in the information panel on the bottom left) was running starter fits, I am hearby stating that until the Instant Battle Academy stops kicking people into the frying pan at 400 WP, I will -not- knowingly fire on the following suits: Assault - Frontline Assault - Medic Assault - Sniper Assault - Anti-Armor The only exemption to this rule is that I will only knowingly fire on one of these suits in the event that you fire first. I encourage those veterans who are interested to do the same. E BUSHIDO means nothing, well nothing to this community. But the game is far more entertaining without such honour. Dark Souls taught me E BUSHIDO< Trolling Players as a Gravelord.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2438	Posted - 2013.08.10 23:03:00 - [6] - Quote RKKR wrote: I use those and militia gear alot lately (unless I'm supporting my squad with proto-hives/resp) so I'm not sure if they are all new players that just got out of academy. ...and if they were...saving them wouldn't help CCP understand their call-out for "how to better the experience of new players"-thing...or they could always come to the official AFK servers to train offcourse. Don't have to rely on CCP to give new players a half decent experience and giving them a fighting chance is a good start for the community to welcome them until they have something more feasible. I can only imagine what's going to happen when AFK camping is fixed.
Niuvo The Phoenix Federation 324	Posted - 2013.08.10 23:05:00 - [7] - Quote This sounds cool, I'll try this.
King Kobrah SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1008	Posted - 2013.08.10 23:21:00 - [8] - Quote Give up free kills? You're out of your mind op.
RKKR The Southern Legion 312	Posted - 2013.08.10 23:21:00 - [9] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: RKKR wrote: I use those and militia gear alot lately (unless I'm supporting my squad with proto-hives/resp) so I'm not sure if they are all new players that just got out of academy. ...and if they were...saving them wouldn't help CCP understand their call-out for "how to better the experience of new players"-thing...or they could always come to the official AFK servers to train offcourse. Don't have to rely on CCP to give new players a half decent experience and giving them a fighting chance is a good start for the community to welcome them until they have something more feasible. I can only imagine what's going to happen when AFK camping is fixed. From what I heard they made their decision on numbers pre-academy only? Not sure if they also used post-academy data. One thing is certain...they didn't listen to the community on this case. I got a feeling that a lot of people won't continue to play this game if that's the developers take on their game. How much real players (not being alts of someone) do we have anyway? I want those new players have a good time too you know but for the longturn I think it's best to just be ruthless especially if CCP plans to use data as their main factor first ( then they should check their data for people leaving the game/post-academy,...without us messing their data-pool) Then again I don't have a clue what CCP is planning to do, maybe they did things in the wrong order, testing/monitoring things for further decisions....who knows...I don't think they communicated it yet? (I don't bother anymore to check for their supposebly better communication)
Bittersteel the Bastard WarRavens League of Infamy 107	Posted - 2013.08.11 00:01:00 - [10] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: Give up free kills? You're out of your mind op. He is so far inside his mind that it just looks like he's outside of it. :O
8213 Grade No.2 118	Posted - 2013.08.11 00:06:00 - [11] - Quote So, if a starter fit walks up to me, I have to let them kill me? I'm gonna start using starter fits if this takes effect :)
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 978	Posted - 2013.08.11 00:11:00 - [12] - Quote A can understand a sniper being able to do this, but honestly for anybody else on the frontline, trying to quickly differentiate which ones are using the militia suits based on the lack-luster intel implementation of this game, is completely impractical. I am not going to sit there and aim at a bunch of reds who are right in front of me and say "Ok, that ones using militia, so I will leave him alone, but the other two are Ok" Hell no, I see red I shoot. Who even has the time to look down to see what suit somebody is wearing in that split second it takes after aiming on somebody? I hate to say it, but those coming out of the academy need to do poorly, otherwise CCP will think\ their 400 WP graduation system works.
Sneaky Fletcher DUST University Ivy League 29	Posted - 2013.08.11 00:27:00 - [13] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: highnmightybullcr4p Spare the rod spoil the child Battle Academy is a bad idea and this is a worst idea Shoot their faces off Let them know a war with no quarters
Blazin Dank 420 Special Task Group 12	Posted - 2013.08.11 00:28:00 - [14] - Quote As a newer player (4m SP) please shoot at me because I sure as **** am shooting at you. I've been pub-stomped by Teamplayers, Unholy Legion of Darkness, Sver, Hellstorm Inc, Sver, and others. Losing is never fun but I've also been on squads that handed a couple of those Corp squads' their asses and sent em packing (no disrespect meant, all in fun). If you kill me you won't hear me crying because when I max that next skill or unlock that next item I'm that much closer to killing you. For other noobs you can ease off that trigger but if I'm in your crosshairs bring it, this is New Eden correct?
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 3065	Posted - 2013.08.11 00:31:00 - [15] - Quote E bushido? Yeah no, a basic level of respect for another person or at least some sense of sportsmanship? Yes that can be quite good for meeting new people.
Aria Gomes DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY 4	Posted - 2013.08.11 00:34:00 - [16] - Quote Some people run the Militia gear to save up IDK for their special suits. I know I don't wanna use my Assault all the time. I'll use my militia gear, not only does it not cost ISK, you'be learned from playing the game from awhile so you can play just as good w/ a Militia as you would with a Adv. or Proto. Running, Ducking and Covering are you're friends. Use them! Besides you can't tell a noob from am experienced player when they're shooting at you. Any noobs on should try to trick their enemy. ** if I have to run around a CRU so I don't get killed, I'll do it then go in the oyher direction and shoot them. Sometimes, people just ssy ** and walk off giving you a chance to shoot them in thr back and killing them.
Spectre-M The Generals EoN. 34	Posted - 2013.08.11 01:46:00 - [17] - Quote Maybe not honor but all the other facets of Bushido apply.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1210	Posted - 2013.08.11 03:02:00 - [18] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: E-Bushido/E-Honor isn't something that belongs in Dust 514/Eve Online considering how ruthless it is. However.... HOWEVER.... After playing a Domination match in which the ENTIRE enemy team (I was a sniper toward the end of the match so I could see this in the information panel on the bottom left) was running starter fits, I am hearby stating that until the Instant Battle Academy stops kicking people into the frying pan at 400 WP, I will -not- knowingly fire on the following suits: Assault - Frontline Assault - Medic Assault - Sniper Assault - Anti-Armor The only exemption to this rule is that I will only knowingly fire on one of these suits in the event that you fire first. I encourage those veterans who are interested to do the same. This is a stupid idea and you are teaching new eden's new mercs to act like carebears in a competitive game. Shame on you.
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 620	Posted - 2013.08.11 03:12:00 - [19] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: E-Bushido/E-Honor isn't something that belongs in Dust 514/Eve Online considering how ruthless it is. However.... HOWEVER.... After playing a Domination match in which the ENTIRE enemy team (I was a sniper toward the end of the match so I could see this in the information panel on the bottom left) was running starter fits, I am hearby stating that until the Instant Battle Academy stops kicking people into the frying pan at 400 WP, I will -not- knowingly fire on the following suits: Assault - Frontline Assault - Medic Assault - Sniper Assault - Anti-Armor The only exemption to this rule is that I will only knowingly fire on one of these suits in the event that you fire first. I encourage those veterans who are interested to do the same. This is a stupid idea and you are teaching new eden's new mercs to act like carebears in a competitive game. Shame on you. Competitive, huh. The kind of matches being talked about are anything but competitive. It's about having the grace to engage them in a fight where they can actually identify their assailant rather than just putting them down over and over with impersonal impunity. To make an analogy, the Predator films: does the Predator indulging a duel instead of just shanking the low-tech primitives without much ado make it a carebear?
Cpl Foster USMC Uncle Sams Merc Clones 95	Posted - 2013.08.11 04:13:00 - [20] - Quote i shot a Sniper, same guy, 6 times because he kept going back to the same spot ? you want me to go down and hold his hand like a school crossing guard next time to get him to a new spot ?
Viktor Zokas 187. 185	Posted - 2013.08.11 04:50:00 - [21] - Quote My laser only burns unworthy heretics.
Poonmunch Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises 173	Posted - 2013.08.11 04:57:00 - [22] - Quote Cpl Foster USMC wrote: i shot a Sniper, same guy, 6 times because he kept going back to the same spot ? you want me to go down and hold his hand like a school crossing guard next time to get him to a new spot ? Was that you? Please feel free to point me to a new spot. Munch
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 245	Posted - 2013.08.11 05:20:00 - [23] - Quote The only carebears in Dust are those that stay in the MCC the entire match. +1 to the OP for having morals. A difficult thing to hold onto when dealing with the Eve Online universe.
Himiko Kuronaga SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1211	Posted - 2013.08.11 05:44:00 - [24] - Quote Poplo Furuya wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: E-Bushido/E-Honor isn't something that belongs in Dust 514/Eve Online considering how ruthless it is. However.... HOWEVER.... After playing a Domination match in which the ENTIRE enemy team (I was a sniper toward the end of the match so I could see this in the information panel on the bottom left) was running starter fits, I am hearby stating that until the Instant Battle Academy stops kicking people into the frying pan at 400 WP, I will -not- knowingly fire on the following suits: Assault - Frontline Assault - Medic Assault - Sniper Assault - Anti-Armor The only exemption to this rule is that I will only knowingly fire on one of these suits in the event that you fire first. I encourage those veterans who are interested to do the same. This is a stupid idea and you are teaching new eden's new mercs to act like carebears in a competitive game. Shame on you. Competitive, huh. The kind of matches being talked about are anything but competitive. It's about having the grace to engage them in a fight where they can actually identify their assailant rather than just putting them down over and over with impersonal impunity. To make an analogy, the Predator films: does the Predator indulging a duel instead of just shanking the low-tech primitives without much ado make it a carebear? The battlefield is no place for duels. You are teaching them bad habits and investing into a weaker generation of players.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 2445	Posted - 2013.08.11 08:56:00 - [25] - Quote 8213 wrote: So, if a starter fit walks up to me, I have to let them kill me? I'm gonna start using starter fits if this takes effect :) You didn't read the post if you didn't see the bit about firing on them only if they fire first. Aria Gomes wrote: Some people run the Militia gear to save up ISK for their special suits. I know I don't wanna use my Assault all the time. I'll use my militia gear, not only does it not cost ISK, you'be learned from playing the game from awhile so you can play just as good w/ a Militia as you would with a Adv. or Proto. Running, Ducking and Covering are you're friends. Use them! Besides you can't tell a noob from am experienced player when they're shooting at you. Any noobs on should try to trick their enemy. ** if I have to run around a CRU so I don't get killed, I'll do it then go in the oyher direction and shoot them. Sometimes, people just ssy and walk off giving you a chance to shoot them in thr back and killing them. Militia gear and Starter fits are two completely different things. Again, read the post - if they're firing at you then it's free game. Himiko Kuronaga wrote:** The battlefield is no place for duels. You are teaching them bad habits and investing into a weaker generation of players. I find it intensely interesting the only people saying this are from PC Capable corporations.
dday3six Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 181	Posted - 2013.08.11 09:55:00 - [26] - Quote Players are never going to get better unless they face others doing their best, and continually seek more challenging opponents. Taking it easy on others, regardless of gear is doing them a disservice by teaching them bad habits.
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster 98	Posted - 2013.08.11 10:21:00 - [27] - Quote True Adamance wrote: But the game is far more entertaining without such honour. Dark Souls taught me E BUSHIDO< Trolling Players as a Gravelord. Gravelords are a bunch of pansies, Darkwraith's ruin your day and troll you like no other
Beld Errmon D3M3NT3D M1NDZ 776	Posted - 2013.08.11 11:24:00 - [28] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: (I was a sniper toward the end of the match so I could see this in the information panel on the bottom left) How about instead of being a ***** you lead from the front as an example of how to win a match, so many domination's get to 1/4 shield dmg on the mcc and vets like you lead the charge on sitting back in the redline and sniping instead of getting into the fray and dropping uplinks where the nublets can spawn and fight on.
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 670	Posted - 2013.08.11 11:29:00 - [29] - Quote I'm all for honor but I'm more for shooting red dots. Carry on though, you've got my support but not my participation.
Panther Alpha DarkWingsss 905	Posted - 2013.08.11 11:31:00 - [30] - Quote Yeah.. nice idea.. except when you try to do that, and you realize that the other guy is using an ADV basic suit with Proto weapons and ADV modules.... What you suggesting is impossible to implement .... realistically.

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