CCP address this problem; The sooner the better.

CCP address this problem; The sooner the better.

Shields r scary to massholes. Hint hint.hint.

I know this is a strange concept, but you could always try retreating and attacking from a different direction. That's what the MD is designed for- area denial.

I know this is a strange concept, but you could always try retreating and attacking from a different direction. That's what the MD is designed for- area denial.

Or spamming noob tubes, which ever you fancy.

Yeah, MDs can only shoot in one area and can't turn and fire in a new direction!


MDs are a problem (not too noticeable yet but lets give it a few more weeks of SP accrual). Why? because they are an explosive... and CCP can't figure out armor.

FYP

no, they can't figure out explosives.

I'm a shield tanker and MDs destroy me. Why? because of lulz flux grenades which are halfway to unavoidable in any sort of CQC near an objective.

You can't even run because an allotek with strip 100% of shields off of anything within 7.2m. Its a cheap iwin tactic akin to flaylock spam, taking advantage of explosives in CQC situations where non-explosive weaponry suffers from poor hit detection.

Shields r scary to massholes. Hint hint.hint.

So a weapon that requires a certain grenade is OP now? That's called synergy, just like people that use ScRs and SMGs.

CCP address this problem; The sooner the better.

Sure I'm for complimentary weaponry and synergy but weapons that can kill anything within 7.2m with almost no effort is bad mechanics. Explosives are done poorly in this game and are not balanced, period.

This applies to MDs, Flaylocks, Missile Turrets, grenades, and REs.

Some are nerfed into uselessness and others are OP, but in the end explosives are not balanced.

CCP address this problem; The sooner the better.

Then how would you go about fixing explosives?

Logarithmic damage fall off throughout the blast radius, removing this so called 'direct damage' and adjusting profiles and splash radius as necessary.

At the edge of the 7.2m blast radius grenades should be doing minimal damage, not almost full.

Also, flux grenades should have their values lowered around 60% or so.

If an anti shield AV grenade is truly needed, then one should be put into the game and more suited to the task.

I can agree with all of this, and it'd be cool if it was implemented. Unfortunately it seems like this is more in depth/time consuming of a fix than CCP is willing to do, as they make quick passes on things racing to fix the multitude of problems in the game.

Logarithmic damage fall off throughout the blast radius, removing this so called 'direct damage' and adjusting profiles and splash radius as necessary.

At the edge of the 7.2m blast radius grenades should be doing minimal damage, not almost full.

Also, flux grenades should have their values lowered around 60% or so.

If an anti shield AV grenade is truly needed, then one should be put into the game and more suited to the task.

Even though it'd be a PITA to code, I would agree with the splash scaling. But splash radius would need a buff for the sake of things like missiles, rails, and of course the MD. Damage or splash, but something to compensate. If you nerf fluxes, shields aren't going to have a real hard counter outside of the ScR and SP, you have to be careful with that. Shields are already OP already. You don't want to widen the shield > armor gap more than it already is.

It shouldn't be that hard to code, they have damage profiles for hitscan weaponry, its the same principle.

Also... Im talking about lowering fluxes from 1800 damage to 800 damage... there is no 'overnerf' here. They would still counter shields just fine, but you wouldn't see and immediate striping of all shields from unavoidable precooked flux nades.

Same goes for the 7.2m radius of 1 shot death that the core locus does, how people aren't complaining about that yet is still surprising.

from my ARMOR tankin heavy/logi point of view, that's a thing i found funny: Shield tankers say every thread " OHOHOHO shield tank is not OP, you must use flux" or "use flux!!!!ONE!!!1!!!!!1!"

And when people start to use them, they start complain -----________________-----

It shouldn't be that hard to code, they have damage profiles for hitscan weaponry, its the same principle.

Also... Im talking about lowering fluxes from 1800 damage to 800 damage... there is no 'overnerf' here. They would still counter shields just fine, but you wouldn't see and immediate striping of all shields from unavoidable precooked flux nades.

Same goes for the 7.2m radius of 1 shot death that the core locus does, how people aren't complaining about that yet is still surprising.

CCP address this problem; The sooner the better.

Honestly, Flux grenades take away a very large amount of shield (1200 the basic one) x3 and at the same time without begin necessarily a dedicated AV. It's comparable to an AV grenade. So, if armor tankers do complain about av nades, shield tankers have the right to complain about flux nades.

IMO

Flux nades are truly OP cause they're good the vast majority of times (good against heavy shielded infantry/tanks) while AV grenades are only good against armor tanks.

Only noob tubes I've seen are contact grenades. We don't have a M203 attachment for the AR. At least not since early alpha...

Oh armor tankers complain a lot from core locus :)


Zdub the problem in what you say is the " Shield tanking bug" otherwise your idea could be correct.

from my ARMOR tankin heavy/logi point of view, that's a thing i found funny: Shield tankers say every thread " OHOHOHO shield tank is not OP, you must use flux" or "use flux!!!!ONE!!!1!!!!!1!"

And when people start to use them, they start complain -----________________-----

Sigh a other thread. Well I guess it will get nerfed pathetic lol. Well at least I still have my assault rifle. That won't ever get nerfed. Or if I use my nova knife hmm. That could get nerfed. Shall I raise the level of my laser rifle? Hmmm nah would get nerfed too.

You aren't good with AR tho...

I like how being good with a hitscan weapon in a video game is something people like to hold over other people's heads. If your aim is so good, try using the Allotek burst AR. It's the only other AR variant that doesn't suck, but you need "good aim" for it.

I am good with MD too. You make it out like this crappy I win button gun takes skill


The proof is there scrub.

I don't know what the 'shield tanking bug' is.

But anyways, you guys can call me re tarded and saying I have no clue and all I want is for non-ARs to be nerfed into the ground blah blah, but these things are real issues to gameplay. These are things that a lot of high level PC players know are OP and abuse like crazy in order to 'get the win'.

We all noticed the flaylock as an immediate problem in PC and sure enough it eventually trickled into pubs as time went on.

I'm not a complete idiot, I can just see these imbalanced weapons before most others do due to the nature of the game mode I play. I was told I was an idiot when I first called out the Flaylock with Xero and not two weeks later the forums were flooded with tears about how flaylocks made it into pubs and they were clearly imbalanced. I can see the beginnings of this exact same cycle with the MD, and here we have people calling me an idiot who has no clue what he's talking about.

The shield tanking bug is as simple as deadly. If you try Hitting a shield tanker the "count" to make the shield come up start and dont reset from every shot taken.
So if you don't take dmg for a fraction shield start goin up again. The only way is to empty the shield bar and sometimes even that is not enough,because regen start faster.
in an old thread CCP say that every bullet that hit need to reset the counter. Right now this isn't working as intended

So a weapon that isn't an AR gets a bunch of kills and it's suddenly an "I win button?" Double standard?

No he's saying its a crappy iwin button through his personal experience. You asked people to try it before rendering judgement, he tried it, he pwned with it, and now he's telling you its still a crappy iwin button.

Mass driver is a noob-tube,you know what a noob-tube is right?

I write in the other post and re-write it here.

I can't that kill/death chart as objective: a Good player in a full squad of THE BEST CORP (right now) vs blueberries?

I think that even wielding a toxin SMG he could do a similar score.

lol Salo. But seriously these weapons require SKILL to use. They can be OP at times, but maybe you should try using them and find out why other people do.

We can change two things of the Mass

1) reduce spalsh radius of the ASS version,with dmg mod (always dog mod fault, hope CCP take them out) it get's to high for his enormus range.
2) change the Istantkill side effect of all explosive weap so you can be rezzed by needle. So explosive wont be the clone depleting weapon of PC battle.

I dont see a problem. I dodge and weave so the mass driver wont hit me. Im tellin' ya, the people that use mass drivers suck hard at aiming

Cos suggest was a really good suggestion

I am good with MD too. You make it out like this crappy I win button gun takes skill


The proof is there scrub.

You aren't good with AR tho...