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Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.08.07 17:52:00 -
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you didnt think it was worth it
either that or your a jerk whose just trolling a community/Dev.
I believe that the people are afking because they believe it is worth it, that DUST will eventually flower, and these people don't want to be left behind should that happen.
I really really hope that this event is indeed a sign that CCP has proactively set up a situation where AFKers now have to enter twice as many matches to cap out, and that this was done to gather empiric evidence before a mass SP wipe or forced character biomass of repeat offender AFKer's
LIVING IN OPTIMISM!!!!!
its not wrong to want to be positive about these things is it? |
Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
2607
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Posted - 2013.08.07 17:53:00 -
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My optimism slowly fades and then only troll shall remain... |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
561
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Posted - 2013.08.07 17:59:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:
I believe that the people are afking because they believe it is worth it, that DUST will eventually flower, and these people don't want to be left behind should that happen.
Yes, however more likely its people who actually play the game and don't have the time to cap out, and would rather save their focused play time for when their friends or on. Or because a lot of their play time is sucked up by Dust-related activities that don't net them SP. Also, have you tried playing on the US servers? is it bad? i know you're in oceania.
Quote:I really really hope that this event is indeed a sign that CCP has proactively set up a situation where AFKers now have to enter twice as many matches to cap out, and that this was done to gather empiric evidence before a mass SP wipe or forced character biomass of repeat offender AFKer'?
When such an exploit is being massively abused, and without retribution, then if CCP decides to start cracking down, they will do so with a tiered warning system. Its been very effective for them in the past. AFKers won't wake up with removed SP or lose their characters. A "repeat offender" is classified as such by not responding to warnings, not by carrying out a behavior over a long period of time without intervention.
Also, this event encourages AFK farming, because it doubles the cap but only increases the SP gain of non-afkers by a 20-40% or something. To meet the cap it requires significantly more grinding no matter what your method. |
Touchy McHealz
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2013.08.07 17:59:00 -
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I sometimes afk for a day because I just can't be bothered to deal with the nonsense that day.
The SP gain is too slow even with active and passive boosters running constantly. The required SP to get adv suit, weapon, mods is too high. Even being decently skilled at shooters, having 150 armor/shield and firing basic AR is going to be nothing but an exercise in frustration.
Wanna make me play more? Don't force me to grind out 12+ hours of constant matches per week to hit cap. Increase SP for WP by 5x before hitting cap.
Getting 2-4k SP for an ambush match, before boosters, out of the 190k cap isn't going to make me want to play more and more, it is going to make me resent HAVING to play more and more.
So when I get pubstomped by the 6x team of PC protodudes with core grenades, DAU forge guns, and thales snipers, I just AFK for a few hours in skirmish while I clean my apartment or play an actual "FUN" game.
But that is just me. |
Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
246
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Posted - 2013.08.07 17:59:00 -
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The AFKing will cease when Dust becomes fun to play and delivers on some of its promises. People are sick of the same BS 16 v 16 lobby shooter on the same few maps with only a few cosmetic differences. But, I guess many people still believe Dust will make good on its potential someday and want to be skilled up for then. Personally, unless I am really AFK to eat or something I would rather just play something else rather than AFK. On the other hand I just got a game I never played before on the 360 so maybe I'll AFK out some SP while playing XBOX this week. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3513
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:00:00 -
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At least with this new double-SP event the only SP that will be doubled are the SP from active warpoints. According to the recent CCP dev blog, the passive warpoints (when converted to SP) that you get for just being in the match stay the same while everything else gets doubled for this week. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
416
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:01:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:My optimism slowly fades and then only troll shall remain...
Dune? |
Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
216
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:06:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:At least with this new double-SP event the only SP that will be doubled are the SP from active warpoints. According to the recent CCP dev blog, the passive warpoints (when converted to SP) that you get for just being in the match stay the same while everything else gets doubled for this week.
as said above and elsewhere, the increase for playing matches is minimal, the double cap is the nice part of this deal. Interestingly enough, people were warning CCP in the announcements section where this event was called, that the afkers were going to benefit from this more than actual players- well in an around about manner any way >.< |
Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
217
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:10:00 -
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Oso Peresoso wrote:Billi Gene wrote:
I believe that the people are afking because they believe it is worth it, that DUST will eventually flower, and these people don't want to be left behind should that happen.
Yes, however more likely its people who actually play the game and don't have the time to cap out, and would rather save their focused play time for when their friends or on. Or because a lot of their play time is sucked up by Dust-related activities that don't net them SP. Also, have you tried playing on the US servers? is it bad? i know you're in oceania. Quote:I really really hope that this event is indeed a sign that CCP has proactively set up a situation where AFKers now have to enter twice as many matches to cap out, and that this was done to gather empiric evidence before a mass SP wipe or forced character biomass of repeat offender AFKer'? When such an exploit is being massively abused, and without retribution, then if CCP decides to start cracking down, they will do so with a tiered warning system. Its been very effective for them in the past. AFKers won't wake up with removed SP or lose their characters. A "repeat offender" is classified as such by not responding to warnings, not by carrying out a behavior over a long period of time without intervention. Also, this event encourages AFK farming, because it doubles the cap but only increases the SP gain of non-afkers by a 20-40% or something. To meet the cap it requires significantly more grinding no matter what your method.
yeh i play mostly on the US servers now, oceanic has become farmville.
and i'd doubt that CCP would punish without warning as well. Just seems like they are "unaware" of the scale of the problem (unlikely), ignoring it for now (more likely) or with an event like this (hopefully) being proactive in gathering user data for future reference when it comes down to making a few examples... like wiping high profile characters back to 500kSP |
Asirius Medaius
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
157
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:14:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote: I believe that the people are afking because they believe it is worth it, that DUST will eventually flower, and these people don't want to be left behind should that happen.
This right here is about half the reason (at the least) that people AFK, aside from obvious real-life occurences that take obvious priority.
The only problem with this is that I am slowly feeling more and more unconfident about the game's progression. As of now, when I see Triple or Double SP events, I interpret it as an emergency financial/social event that occurs once a month to at least make a decent cash flow for the month for CCP and to furthermore remind everyone on the forums that this game isn't dead yet... |
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XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
838
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:21:00 -
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I wouldn't AFK if CCP buffed the AI that they are trying to pass off as real human players. I refuse to believe they are this brainless. Earlier today I was soloing and witnessed one Logi LAV taking out my entire smurf army. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5660
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:38:00 -
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I think people AFK because the game is boring and the only reason to play it is to gain SP.
I don't AFK cuz I'm not a pansy, and consequently I miss my SP cap fairly often. |
mollerz
Minja Scouts
824
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:38:00 -
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I think basically every single person who AFKs cares about the game. They care enough to want to have their hat in it at least.
I wouldn't AFK if my SP gains weren't capped. As it is, if I play, I can cap pretty quickly. Most of the week when I am playing I am already capped and lose out on a lot of potential SP gains... but I am actually playing. I AFK for the SP, but I play for fun of it or with a friend or two.
It has nothing to do with trolling, or getting one over on CCP. It has nothing to do with perceived morals, or lack there of. It is just the most efficient way to play the game right now. Don't look at me. CCP designed it this way- be it inadvertent or not. The fact remains it is what is currently is. When CCP changes it so will the player base change their strategies.
It floors me that people project all this hatred based on personal perceptions running the gamut from entitlement to scumbag freeloaders, etc. You guys really need to realize your venom is solely on you and you are projecting that onto others who have no idea what you are talking about. To us, it's just you haven't played the same exact thing long enough to come around and see that until the game gets built up and out more. a lot more. there isn't much for some of us to do except remain steadfast in our belief this game will rock one day. and we'll have endured the dark ages of it.
nothing less and nothing more. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers Eon.
841
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:40:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I think people AFK because the game is boring and the only reason to play it is to gain SP.
I don't AFK cuz I'm not a pansy, and consequently I miss my SP cap fairly often.
Sorry, I mean this at all to be no disrespect. What you just said to me makes no sense at all. You miss your cap fairly often because you play the game? Rather you AFK or play the game you should be able to hit the cap. Even more so if playing the game. Playing the game gives more SP slightly than AFK. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5660
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:41:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:I think people AFK because the game is boring and the only reason to play it is to gain SP.
I don't AFK cuz I'm not a pansy, and consequently I miss my SP cap fairly often. Sorry, I mean this at all to be no disrespect. What you just said to me makes no sense at all. You miss your cap fairly often because you play the game? Rather you AFK or play the game you should be able to hit the cap. Even more so if playing the game. Playing the game gives more SP slightly than AFK. I don't play religiously, and I almost always play solo.
I constantly miss my cap because I don't find the game entertaining enough to keep me online long enough each week to cap (not always, but usually these days) and I refuse to AFK cuz E-bushido or some ****. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers Eon.
1518
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:43:00 -
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SP rollover system.
Although at this point im burning out anyways... so i'll probably stop afking soon. gonna use this double cap week to get proto rep tools to finish my sad attempt at being real logi in PC and then probably call it a day. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers Eon.
841
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:43:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:I think people AFK because the game is boring and the only reason to play it is to gain SP.
I don't AFK cuz I'm not a pansy, and consequently I miss my SP cap fairly often. Sorry, I mean this at all to be no disrespect. What you just said to me makes no sense at all. You miss your cap fairly often because you play the game? Rather you AFK or play the game you should be able to hit the cap. Even more so if playing the game. Playing the game gives more SP slightly than AFK. I don't play religiously, and I almost always play solo. I constantly miss my cap because I don't find the game entertaining enough to keep me online long enough each week to cap (not always, but usually these days) and I refuse to AFK cuz E-bushido or some ****.
That has nothing to do with AFK vs playing the game than.. You wouldn't hit the cap no matter what because like you said you don't find the game entertaining enough to play it enough to reach cap. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers Eon.
841
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:44:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:SP rollover system.
Although at this point im burning out anyways... so i'll probably stop afking soon. gonna use this double cap week to get proto rep tools to finish my sad attempt at being real logi in PC and then probably call it a day.
This is a good idea +1! I don't know why they haven't already done roll over yet. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers Eon.
1518
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:46:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:SP rollover system.
Although at this point im burning out anyways... so i'll probably stop afking soon. gonna use this double cap week to get proto rep tools to finish my sad attempt at being real logi in PC and then probably call it a day. This is a good idea +1! I don't know why they haven't already done roll over yet.
Cause they know we'd all quit playing if they did |
Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
217
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:47:00 -
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mollerz wrote:I think basically every single person who AFKs cares about the game. They care enough to want to have their hat in it at least.
I wouldn't AFK if my SP gains weren't capped. As it is, if I play, I can cap pretty quickly. Most of the week when I am playing I am already capped and lose out on a lot of potential SP gains... but I am actually playing. I AFK for the SP, but I play for fun of it or with a friend or two.
It has nothing to do with trolling, or getting one over on CCP. It has nothing to do with perceived morals, or lack there of. It is just the most efficient way to play the game right now. Don't look at me. CCP designed it this way- be it inadvertent or not. The fact remains it is what is currently is. When CCP changes it so will the player base change their strategies.
It floors me that people project all this hatred based on personal perceptions running the gamut from entitlement to scumbag freeloaders, etc. You guys really need to realize your venom is solely on you and you are projecting that onto others who have no idea what you are talking about. To us, it's just you haven't played the same exact thing long enough to come around and see that until the game gets built up and out more. a lot more. there isn't much for some of us to do except remain steadfast in our belief this game will rock one day. and we'll have endured the dark ages of it.
nothing less and nothing more.
I don't hate you Mollerz, i find hate hard to maintain in the best of circumstances
if i seem venomous, it is hyperbole
but you are wrong.
If the SP cap were removed, you would still afk, and still try on any excuse that fits when confronted about it. Point of fact is, afk farming is limited by the SP cap as it stands, the current double cap and what will be an epic AFK farm will testify to this.
Its really great that you can be positive about a game that you are helping to ruin by the way .. if and when DUST does start to realise its potential... just remember, it had little to KITTEN all to do with the contributions of the AFK farmers.
You can't provide weapon and map data from the MCC :P
once again :) no hate, but dude... get over yourself :) |
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5662
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:49:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:That has nothing to do with AFK vs playing the game than.. You wouldn't hit the cap no matter what because like you said you don't find the game entertaining enough to play it enough to reach cap. But if I AFK'd I would never miss cap cuz I could just put on my PS3, enter a match, deploy to MCC, then swap my input back to my computer for 15 minutes.
Players are rewarded for not playing the game.
Period. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers Eon.
843
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:50:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:SP rollover system.
Although at this point im burning out anyways... so i'll probably stop afking soon. gonna use this double cap week to get proto rep tools to finish my sad attempt at being real logi in PC and then probably call it a day. This is a good idea +1! I don't know why they haven't already done roll over yet. Cause they know we'd all quit playing if they did
I don't see why. You could take breaks do whatever and still be able to grind your ass off and put in overtime to catch up to your friends and competition. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers Eon.
843
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:50:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:That has nothing to do with AFK vs playing the game than.. You wouldn't hit the cap no matter what because like you said you don't find the game entertaining enough to play it enough to reach cap. But if I AFK'd I would never miss cap cuz I could just put on my PS3, enter a match, deploy to MCC, then swap my input back to my computer for 15 minutes. Players are rewarded for not playing the game. Period.
That I cannot argue. Which is why I used to be against AFK farming and have decided if you can't beat em join em! It's much more rewarding to AFK than it is to play the game |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers Eon.
1519
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:52:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:Its really great that you can be positive about a game that you are helping to ruin by the way .. if and when DUST does start to realise its potential... just remember, it had little to KITTEN all to do with the contributions of the AFK farmers.
As sad as this may seem, unfortunately afkers are probably helping the game more than they are hurting it.
Simply because, without the ability to afk many players would probably just play less. the individual battles themselves are meaningless, and winning or losing a pub match means, literally, nothing.
However having hundreds of people afking each evening is boosting the player counts for dust, allowing some justification for continued funding and keeping CCPs stock up due to an increased perception of player activity. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers Eon.
843
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:54:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Billi Gene wrote:Its really great that you can be positive about a game that you are helping to ruin by the way .. if and when DUST does start to realise its potential... just remember, it had little to KITTEN all to do with the contributions of the AFK farmers. As sad as this may seem, unfortunately afkers are probably helping the game more than they are hurting it. Simply because, without the ability to afk many players would probably just play less. the individual battles themselves are meaningless, and winning or losing a pub match means, literally, nothing. However having hundreds of people afking each evening is boosting the player counts for dust, allowing some justification for continued funding and keeping CCPs stock up due to an increased perception of player activity.
+1 again! |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
1828
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Posted - 2013.08.07 19:10:00 -
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You are still supporting the game if you are buying boosters and AFKing.
If CCP eliminated the one they may find that they eliminate the other.
I've been managing to just hit my cap each week by playing, but it's usually a very close thing. |
Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
218
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Posted - 2013.08.07 19:15:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Billi Gene wrote:Its really great that you can be positive about a game that you are helping to ruin by the way .. if and when DUST does start to realise its potential... just remember, it had little to KITTEN all to do with the contributions of the AFK farmers. As sad as this may seem, unfortunately afkers are probably helping the game more than they are hurting it. Simply because, without the ability to afk many players would probably just play less. the individual battles themselves are meaningless, and winning or losing a pub match means, literally, nothing. However having hundreds of people afking each evening is boosting the player counts for dust, allowing some justification for continued funding and keeping CCPs stock up due to an increased perception of player activity.
i feel like i have to disagree with all of your points,
AFK'ing less would mean people were playing more. Computer games in general are fairly meaningless, outside of the odd personal epiphany. Something something something...that old saying "its not whether you win or lose its how you play the game..."
AFKers providing false player counts does not help the game. CCP have stated they are invested into DUST, EvE is funding DUST and always has. With false player counts it is entirely possible to fool CCP into thinking everything is "fine, alright and as it should be". If we want to move away from being EvE funded, then the game needs to improve, fooling CCP into thinking it is fine does not achieve this end.
There really is no way to justify to others what is inherently selfish behavior. AFK'ing benefits no-one Except the AFK'er, so the less we have to hear about noble motivations for kicking puppies.. all the better....in my opinion.
Open to all opinions by the way, happy to talk. |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
564
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Posted - 2013.08.07 20:20:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:The AFKing will cease when Dust becomes fun to play and delivers on some of its promises.
Wrong, because people are AFKing who also think the game is fun and do play it actively. If Dust delivers on its promises like increased Eve-Dust interaction, market stuff, etc. that might result in people spending MORE time outside of battles without spending less time in Dust. AFKing is primarily motivated by the fact that it takes forever to hit the cap, and if you don't cap out, then it takes FOREVER to accrue enough SP to rank up skills. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1523
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Posted - 2013.08.07 20:23:00 -
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Oso Peresoso wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:The AFKing will cease when Dust becomes fun to play and delivers on some of its promises. Wrong, because people are AFKing who also think the game is fun and do play it actively. If Dust delivers on its promises like increased Eve-Dust interaction, market stuff, etc. that might result in people spending MORE time outside of battles without spending less time in Dust. AFKing is primarily motivated by the fact that it takes forever to hit the cap, and if you don't cap out, then it takes FOREVER to accrue enough SP to rank up skills.
I think AFKing primarily comes from the fact that you lose the SP if you don't cap each week. So if you can't play the full amount of hours you go ahead and afk whatever remains.
But then you get so frustrated when you do play, and you find AFKing is so much nicer that you just end up doing it more and more. |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
564
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Posted - 2013.08.07 20:23:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:However having hundreds of people afking each evening is boosting the player counts for dust, allowing some justification for continued funding and keeping CCPs stock up due to an increased perception of player activity.
There is no "CCP stock price" CCP is a privately owned company, there is no stock price associated with earnings reports or any such stuff. |
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