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Billi Gene
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Posted - 2013.08.07 17:52:00 -
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you didnt think it was worth it
either that or your a jerk whose just trolling a community/Dev.
I believe that the people are afking because they believe it is worth it, that DUST will eventually flower, and these people don't want to be left behind should that happen.
I really really hope that this event is indeed a sign that CCP has proactively set up a situation where AFKers now have to enter twice as many matches to cap out, and that this was done to gather empiric evidence before a mass SP wipe or forced character biomass of repeat offender AFKer's
LIVING IN OPTIMISM!!!!!
its not wrong to want to be positive about these things is it? |
Billi Gene
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:06:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:At least with this new double-SP event the only SP that will be doubled are the SP from active warpoints. According to the recent CCP dev blog, the passive warpoints (when converted to SP) that you get for just being in the match stay the same while everything else gets doubled for this week.
as said above and elsewhere, the increase for playing matches is minimal, the double cap is the nice part of this deal. Interestingly enough, people were warning CCP in the announcements section where this event was called, that the afkers were going to benefit from this more than actual players- well in an around about manner any way >.< |
Billi Gene
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:10:00 -
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Oso Peresoso wrote:Billi Gene wrote:
I believe that the people are afking because they believe it is worth it, that DUST will eventually flower, and these people don't want to be left behind should that happen.
Yes, however more likely its people who actually play the game and don't have the time to cap out, and would rather save their focused play time for when their friends or on. Or because a lot of their play time is sucked up by Dust-related activities that don't net them SP. Also, have you tried playing on the US servers? is it bad? i know you're in oceania. Quote:I really really hope that this event is indeed a sign that CCP has proactively set up a situation where AFKers now have to enter twice as many matches to cap out, and that this was done to gather empiric evidence before a mass SP wipe or forced character biomass of repeat offender AFKer'? When such an exploit is being massively abused, and without retribution, then if CCP decides to start cracking down, they will do so with a tiered warning system. Its been very effective for them in the past. AFKers won't wake up with removed SP or lose their characters. A "repeat offender" is classified as such by not responding to warnings, not by carrying out a behavior over a long period of time without intervention. Also, this event encourages AFK farming, because it doubles the cap but only increases the SP gain of non-afkers by a 20-40% or something. To meet the cap it requires significantly more grinding no matter what your method.
yeh i play mostly on the US servers now, oceanic has become farmville.
and i'd doubt that CCP would punish without warning as well. Just seems like they are "unaware" of the scale of the problem (unlikely), ignoring it for now (more likely) or with an event like this (hopefully) being proactive in gathering user data for future reference when it comes down to making a few examples... like wiping high profile characters back to 500kSP |
Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.08.07 18:47:00 -
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mollerz wrote:I think basically every single person who AFKs cares about the game. They care enough to want to have their hat in it at least.
I wouldn't AFK if my SP gains weren't capped. As it is, if I play, I can cap pretty quickly. Most of the week when I am playing I am already capped and lose out on a lot of potential SP gains... but I am actually playing. I AFK for the SP, but I play for fun of it or with a friend or two.
It has nothing to do with trolling, or getting one over on CCP. It has nothing to do with perceived morals, or lack there of. It is just the most efficient way to play the game right now. Don't look at me. CCP designed it this way- be it inadvertent or not. The fact remains it is what is currently is. When CCP changes it so will the player base change their strategies.
It floors me that people project all this hatred based on personal perceptions running the gamut from entitlement to scumbag freeloaders, etc. You guys really need to realize your venom is solely on you and you are projecting that onto others who have no idea what you are talking about. To us, it's just you haven't played the same exact thing long enough to come around and see that until the game gets built up and out more. a lot more. there isn't much for some of us to do except remain steadfast in our belief this game will rock one day. and we'll have endured the dark ages of it.
nothing less and nothing more.
I don't hate you Mollerz, i find hate hard to maintain in the best of circumstances
if i seem venomous, it is hyperbole
but you are wrong.
If the SP cap were removed, you would still afk, and still try on any excuse that fits when confronted about it. Point of fact is, afk farming is limited by the SP cap as it stands, the current double cap and what will be an epic AFK farm will testify to this.
Its really great that you can be positive about a game that you are helping to ruin by the way .. if and when DUST does start to realise its potential... just remember, it had little to KITTEN all to do with the contributions of the AFK farmers.
You can't provide weapon and map data from the MCC :P
once again :) no hate, but dude... get over yourself :) |
Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.08.07 19:15:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Billi Gene wrote:Its really great that you can be positive about a game that you are helping to ruin by the way .. if and when DUST does start to realise its potential... just remember, it had little to KITTEN all to do with the contributions of the AFK farmers. As sad as this may seem, unfortunately afkers are probably helping the game more than they are hurting it. Simply because, without the ability to afk many players would probably just play less. the individual battles themselves are meaningless, and winning or losing a pub match means, literally, nothing. However having hundreds of people afking each evening is boosting the player counts for dust, allowing some justification for continued funding and keeping CCPs stock up due to an increased perception of player activity.
i feel like i have to disagree with all of your points,
AFK'ing less would mean people were playing more. Computer games in general are fairly meaningless, outside of the odd personal epiphany. Something something something...that old saying "its not whether you win or lose its how you play the game..."
AFKers providing false player counts does not help the game. CCP have stated they are invested into DUST, EvE is funding DUST and always has. With false player counts it is entirely possible to fool CCP into thinking everything is "fine, alright and as it should be". If we want to move away from being EvE funded, then the game needs to improve, fooling CCP into thinking it is fine does not achieve this end.
There really is no way to justify to others what is inherently selfish behavior. AFK'ing benefits no-one Except the AFK'er, so the less we have to hear about noble motivations for kicking puppies.. all the better....in my opinion.
Open to all opinions by the way, happy to talk. |
Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.08.07 23:02:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Billi Gene wrote:I don't hate you Mollerz, i find hate hard to maintain in the best of circumstances if i seem venomous, it is hyperbole but you are wrong. If the SP cap were removed, you would still afk, and still try on any excuse that fits when confronted about it. Point of fact is, afk farming is limited by the SP cap as it stands, the current double cap and what will be an epic AFK farm will testify to this. Its really great that you can be positive about a game that you are helping to ruin by the way .. if and when DUST does start to realise its potential... just remember, it had little to KITTEN all to do with the contributions of the AFK farmers. You can't provide weapon and map data from the MCC :P once again :) no hate, but dude... get over yourself :) Were it just you ;) If the skill cap was removed I wouldn't AFK simply because I could play like a beast when I wanted, and not according to a schedule with an expiration date. It really is that simple. I have put about $300 USD into the game. Give or take. So it is not just being positive. I have also financially supported the development of the game as well. I am not ruining the game, my friend. I think, if the game were to be ruined, there's only one place to lay the blame. And it is not the player base. I play far more games actively than I AFK. I've posted plenty of topics. Some I'd like to think have had a beneficial impact on the development of the game so far. Like I said, you already have these preconceptions you've made up in your mind, actively projected it onto AFKers and are going to continue on that way until it's a moot point. I get that. I can only point out all of that stops at your brain, and I assure you, you aren't putting all the pieces of a bigger picture together. You can do what you will with that information. Why would I get over myself? I am a knifer scout OF COURSE I love glory. But that being said, again, the feeling that I need to get over myself is solely a projection based on a biased perception that is a foregone conclusion in your thought process. Thus, the irony here, is that you should probably get over yourself (:
lol i have no preconceived notions above generalised character archetypes. I think you are trying to imprint my responses for whatever benefit you might reap from such.
if you are afking now, then you are fine with such behavior, there is no reason to presume your behavior will change with a lifted SP cap.
Its nice that you post on the forums :D
but i'd still suggest that afking is not beneficial to either the game or its community, except as concerns the individual benefits of afking, for everyone around an afk'er it just means that that is one less person participating in a match, reducing team ratio's and in those matches with half a team afking, reducing morale and stealing any chance of a win from the team stuck with the AFKers.
if you think that isnt harming the game, i'd ask you to consider the people around you :P |
Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.08.08 00:11:00 -
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mollerz wrote:Billi Gene wrote:
lol i have no preconceived notions above generalised character archetypes. I think you are trying to imprint my responses for whatever benefit you might reap from such.
if you are afking now, then you are fine with such behavior, there is no reason to presume your behavior will change with a lifted SP cap.
Its nice that you post on the forums :D
but i'd still suggest that afking is not beneficial to either the game or its community, except as concerns the individual benefits of afking, for everyone around an afk'er it just means that that is one less person participating in a match, reducing team ratio's and in those matches with half a team afking, reducing morale and stealing any chance of a win from the team stuck with the AFKers.
if you think that isnt harming the game, i'd ask you to consider the people around you :P
You would have to ignore the fact that I just don't AFK, but actually play a lot as well. I wouldn't even know the stuff I post if I only AFK'd . so if I AFK 30% of my play time and the rest actively partake in battles, as well as financially contribute, as well as post on the forums, I am harming the community? pfft. there's no way to come to that conclusion unless your personal feelings got in the way. so the question is do i represent the behavior of most AFKers? We'd need to ask the crowd... So how long have you been playing? I've been playing since closed beta. hard mode too.. scout. You might not know this, but we have been playing variations of the same themes down to the exact same matches and maps since then. not much has gone well since then, but here I am, still playing and contributing. so is that, again, harming the community? I don't prefer to AFK, dude. CCP has developed a game where it has become the most efficient way to play the game. I know you want to put all kinds of emotions of grandeur and honor on the cake, but the cake itself is most efficiently made when you AFK till you cap and then play. mayhap sprinkle some pre-cap games in there with your friends/whatnot. I didn't make the cake sandbox, CCP did. you should explore, for yourself, the reasons behind why I said that is the most efficient way to play dust. you might come to some jarring conclusions.
what does how long i have been playing have to do with it? =/
the ratio that you "play the game" as opposed to any other activity is telling don't you think? buying aurum item/packs does not entitle you to behave badly >.< posting on the forums is great! but has little bearing on whether your in game behavior is acceptable?
also you seem to have some preconceived notion that i know very little about the game.
I'm also closed beta :)
and your reasoning is a bit funny.... you seem to think that playing the game is afking. The most efficient way to PLAY the game is to actually play it. yah knooow??
edit (because I'm doing this between matches :P): the most efficient manner to play this game that I have found... is to have alt accounts. When one is capped i use another account. In this manner i get to explore alot of different niche as well as have my generalist main =o
but hey.. you do what you feel is best for you :)
play how you prefer otherwise, its not up to me to say either way, it is indeed CCP's game.
I have nothing against you nor any one =o this is a discussion is it not?
EvE invite btw >.< |
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