I believe that the people are afking because they believe it is worth it, that DUST will eventually flower, and these people don't want to be left behind should that happen.

I really really hope that this event is indeed a sign that CCP has proactively set up a situation where AFKers now have to enter twice as many matches to cap out, and that this was done to gather empiric evidence before a mass SP wipe or forced character biomass of repeat offender AFKer'?

My optimism slowly fades and then only troll shall remain...

At least with this new double-SP event the only SP that will be doubled are the SP from active warpoints. According to the recent CCP dev blog, the passive warpoints (when converted to SP) that you get for just being in the match stay the same while everything else gets doubled for this week.

Yes, however more likely its people who actually play the game and don't have the time to cap out, and would rather save their focused play time for when their friends or on. Or because a lot of their play time is sucked up by Dust-related activities that don't net them SP. Also, have you tried playing on the US servers? is it bad? i know you're in oceania.



When such an exploit is being massively abused, and without retribution, then if CCP decides to start cracking down, they will do so with a tiered warning system. Its been very effective for them in the past. AFKers won't wake up with removed SP or lose their characters. A "repeat offender" is classified as such by not responding to warnings, not by carrying out a behavior over a long period of time without intervention.

Also, this event encourages AFK farming, because it doubles the cap but only increases the SP gain of non-afkers by a 20-40% or something. To meet the cap it requires significantly more grinding no matter what your method.

I believe that the people are afking because they believe it is worth it, that DUST will eventually flower, and these people don't want to be left behind should that happen.

I think people AFK because the game is boring and the only reason to play it is to gain SP.

I don't AFK cuz I'm not a pansy, and consequently I miss my SP cap fairly often.

Sorry, I mean this at all to be no disrespect. What you just said to me makes no sense at all. You miss your cap fairly often because you play the game? Rather you AFK or play the game you should be able to hit the cap. Even more so if playing the game. Playing the game gives more SP slightly than AFK.

I don't play religiously, and I almost always play solo.

I constantly miss my cap because I don't find the game entertaining enough to keep me online long enough each week to cap (not always, but usually these days) and I refuse to AFK cuz E-bushido or some ****.

SP rollover system.

Although at this point im burning out anyways... so i'll probably stop afking soon. gonna use this double cap week to get proto rep tools to finish my sad attempt at being real logi in PC and then probably call it a day.

This is a good idea +1! I don't know why they haven't already done roll over yet.

I think basically every single person who AFKs cares about the game. They care enough to want to have their hat in it at least.

I wouldn't AFK if my SP gains weren't capped. As it is, if I play, I can cap pretty quickly. Most of the week when I am playing I am already capped and lose out on a lot of potential SP gains... but I am actually playing. I AFK for the SP, but I play for fun of it or with a friend or two.

It has nothing to do with trolling, or getting one over on CCP. It has nothing to do with perceived morals, or lack there of. It is just the most efficient way to play the game right now. Don't look at me. CCP designed it this way- be it inadvertent or not. The fact remains it is what is currently is. When CCP changes it so will the player base change their strategies.

It floors me that people project all this hatred based on personal perceptions running the gamut from entitlement to scumbag freeloaders, etc. You guys really need to realize your venom is solely on you and you are projecting that onto others who have no idea what you are talking about. To us, it's just you haven't played the same exact thing long enough to come around and see that until the game gets built up and out more. a lot more. there isn't much for some of us to do except remain steadfast in our belief this game will rock one day. and we'll have endured the dark ages of it.

nothing less and nothing more.

That has nothing to do with AFK vs playing the game than.. You wouldn't hit the cap no matter what because like you said you don't find the game entertaining enough to play it enough to reach cap.

Cause they know we'd all quit playing if they did

But if I AFK'd I would never miss cap cuz I could just put on my PS3, enter a match, deploy to MCC, then swap my input back to my computer for 15 minutes.

Players are rewarded for not playing the game.

Period.

Its really great that you can be positive about a game that you are helping to ruin by the way .. if and when DUST does start to realise its potential... just remember, it had little to KITTEN all to do with the contributions of the AFK farmers.

As sad as this may seem, unfortunately afkers are probably helping the game more than they are hurting it.

Simply because, without the ability to afk many players would probably just play less. the individual battles themselves are meaningless, and winning or losing a pub match means, literally, nothing.

However having hundreds of people afking each evening is boosting the player counts for dust, allowing some justification for continued funding and keeping CCPs stock up due to an increased perception of player activity.

As sad as this may seem, unfortunately afkers are probably helping the game more than they are hurting it.

Simply because, without the ability to afk many players would probably just play less. the individual battles themselves are meaningless, and winning or losing a pub match means, literally, nothing.

However having hundreds of people afking each evening is boosting the player counts for dust, allowing some justification for continued funding and keeping CCPs stock up due to an increased perception of player activity.

The AFKing will cease when Dust becomes fun to play and delivers on some of its promises.

Wrong, because people are AFKing who also think the game is fun and do play it actively. If Dust delivers on its promises like increased Eve-Dust interaction, market stuff, etc. that might result in people spending MORE time outside of battles without spending less time in Dust. AFKing is primarily motivated by the fact that it takes forever to hit the cap, and if you don't cap out, then it takes FOREVER to accrue enough SP to rank up skills.

However having hundreds of people afking each evening is boosting the player counts for dust, allowing some justification for continued funding and keeping CCPs stock up due to an increased perception of player activity.

I don't hate you Mollerz, i find hate hard to maintain in the best of circumstances

if i seem venomous, it is hyperbole

but you are wrong.

If the SP cap were removed, you would still afk, and still try on any excuse that fits when confronted about it. Point of fact is, afk farming is limited by the SP cap as it stands, the current double cap and what will be an epic AFK farm will testify to this.

Its really great that you can be positive about a game that you are helping to ruin by the way .. if and when DUST does start to realise its potential... just remember, it had little to KITTEN all to do with the contributions of the AFK farmers.

You can't provide weapon and map data from the MCC :P

once again :) no hate, but dude... get over yourself :)

There is no "CCP stock price" CCP is a privately owned company, there is no stock price associated with earnings reports or any such stuff.

Were it just you ;)

If the skill cap was removed I wouldn't AFK simply because I could play like a beast when I wanted, and not according to a schedule with an expiration date. It really is that simple.

I have put about $300 USD into the game. Give or take. So it is not just being positive. I have also financially supported the development of the game as well. I am not ruining the game, my friend. I think, if the game were to be ruined, there's only one place to lay the blame. And it is not the player base.

I play far more games actively than I AFK. I've posted plenty of topics. Some I'd like to think have had a beneficial impact on the development of the game so far. Like I said, you already have these preconceptions you've made up in your mind, actively projected it onto AFKers and are going to continue on that way until it's a moot point. I get that. I can only point out all of that stops at your brain, and I assure you, you aren't putting all the pieces of a bigger picture together. You can do what you will with that information.

Why would I get over myself? I am a knifer scout OF COURSE I love glory. But that being said, again, the feeling that I need to get over myself is solely a projection based on a biased perception that is a foregone conclusion in your thought process. Thus, the irony here, is that you should probably get over yourself (:

lol i have no preconceived notions above generalised character archetypes. I think you are trying to imprint my responses for whatever benefit you might reap from such.

if you are afking now, then you are fine with such behavior, there is no reason to presume your behavior will change with a lifted SP cap.

Its nice that you post on the forums :D

but i'd still suggest that afking is not beneficial to either the game or its community, except as concerns the individual benefits of afking, for everyone around an afk'er it just means that that is one less person participating in a match, reducing team ratio's and in those matches with half a team afking, reducing morale and stealing any chance of a win from the team stuck with the AFKers.

if you think that isnt harming the game, i'd ask you to consider the people around you :P

You would have to ignore the fact that I just don't AFK, but actually play a lot as well. I wouldn't even know the stuff I post if I only AFK'd . so if I AFK 30% of my play time and the rest actively partake in battles, as well as financially contribute, as well as post on the forums, I am harming the community?

pfft. there's no way to come to that conclusion unless your personal feelings got in the way.

so the question is do i represent the behavior of most AFKers? We'd need to ask the crowd...

So how long have you been playing? I've been playing since closed beta. hard mode too.. scout. You might not know this, but we have been playing variations of the same themes down to the exact same matches and maps since then. not much has gone well since then, but here I am, still playing and contributing. so is that, again, harming the community?

I don't prefer to AFK, dude. CCP has developed a game where it has become the most efficient way to play the game. I know you want to put all kinds of emotions of grandeur and honor on the cake, but the cake itself is most efficiently made when you AFK till you cap and then play. mayhap sprinkle some pre-cap games in there with your friends/whatnot. I didn't make the cake sandbox, CCP did.

you should explore, for yourself, the reasons behind why I said that is the most efficient way to play dust. you might come to some jarring conclusions.