We're also adjusting the War Point total you need to accumulate in order to graduate from the Academy, down to 400 War Points. This didn't seem like a very large number to most of us here, but our metrics suggest the median new player is scoring about 100 WP per battle, so this has them graduating from the Academy after probably 3-5 battles (with better players graduating sooner and less able ones staying longer, of course). Once graduated, players are free to join any of the normal game modes.

CCP just keeps making the wrong decisions on developing Dust 514.

Just scratch the entire game and rebuild it ffs... it is going to die anyway on December/January!

Why do adult like to pick on children alot

We could delete battle academy and go back to the days of not having it :P

Either way the original 20k was apparently too much as well having new unique players quitting during that period.

We could delete battle academy and go back to the days of not having it :P

Either way the original 20k was apparently too much as well having new unique players quitting during that period.

This a joke? So CCP estimates people will quit less when they go 0/15 like 3 people do every game? Also - you're now letting in even bigger scrubs into our games - so you're hurting vets enjoyment too.

Just - wow.

Should there be a PC Battle Academy as well?

I am not the one with the numbers so I don't know what exactly CCP is doing but leaving it as was not working from the looks of it. BA shouldn't be causing people to leave verses the days before we had it, most unfortunately none of those people who have left are here to talk. They quit after all.

I do remember extensive dev blogs from other studios over the subject of the first 2-5 minutes, hell Extra Credits did a peice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFU4tjMndi4 and there are plenty of development studios that know about this and try to make the first 5 minutes epic, though the worst MMOs on market make the mistake that the first 5 minutes where more epic than the entire rest of the game combined.

I also remember when Battle Academy first game out there was a crap ton of complaints of not was it only TOO long but when people got out of it the illusion shattered of how the rest of the game is. I also shortly remembered a bunch of braggers posting on how they were purposely rolling alts to pwn noobs. To which 400 wps would see them out of the BA in one match.

As another poster stated what difference is 50k sp going to make? Let alone the wall slam that happens regardless as soon as they leave? This wall slam is only experienced one time more by most regular players when they first go into PC matches. Should there be a PC Battle Academy as well?

Why do adult like to pick on children alot

Either way. Current NPE is not cutting it. There needs to be entirely new things installed completely as an entirely new feature not resorting to using Server Magic to set up these matches.

In other respect let's do take my Removal of the Battle Academy suggestion seriously.

and replace it with a training room tutorial (in which this room becomes accessible for the future for trying things out) and put in then put in the true skill based matchmaking where new players are pitted against like players and those who excel in skills will be accelerated out of it into ever more increasing challenges provided by other players.

Would that be more effective?

Either way. Current NPE is not cutting it.

Maybe. The problem you'd encounter with that is at the upper end, it'd just be never-ending PC battles, but without the pay-out. (And that would effectively kill off a portion of your advanced player-base, since not all of us want to go broke, ISK or AUR-wise, playing this game.) Why not just go with the earlier suggestion of having battles with standard or militia gear? Vets are already creating alts for Academy just to make money. Oh wait, this would mess with CCP's AUR scheme. My bad.

Removing Academy is not going to prevent people from leaving, It will accelerate it. I've been trying to get a friend into the game for several months. He's been getting on lately. On his own in Academy, he goes even. He was surprised by it. He goes into a game with me, and goes 0/something. And this is a guy with good gun game in other FPS games. The absolute frustration of being murdered by high level users is killing off any new players. And the thing is, they know why they're being killed, and it's not always because their skills are terrible.

Essentially, you have a fairness issue. And rather than create a mode that can at least give an illusion of fairness (and one that would mess with the AUR selling), you remove what little 'fairness' existed at all. Give us PvE at least. >_O

I guarantee you the old NPE was at least better than 400 point Domination. The fact that anyone actually thought this might be an improvement enough to actually implement the change is beyond me.

To make them htfu, get good, and teach them to adapt or else...

We could delete battle academy and go back to the days of not having it :P

Either way the original 20k was apparently too much as well having new unique players quitting during that period.

Unable to understand simple things or take legitimate advice from others, CCP just keeps making the wrong decisions on developing Dust 514. Some may find this familiar:



This right here, is by far the most extraordinary thing CCP has done and it's proof that they don't know how properly make a FPS for the PS3 crowd. With 1 year in Beta and several months passed after release, I expect to see similar actions to be taken in the near future if CCP doesn't improve.




P.S. Don't expect CCP to admit their failures and do something about it.