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Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7023	Posted - 2013.08.07 01:28:00 - [1] - Quote We could delete battle academy and go back to the days of not having it :P
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7023	Posted - 2013.08.07 01:40:00 - [2] - Quote SoTah Pawp wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: We could delete battle academy and go back to the days of not having it :P Either way the original 20k was apparently too much as well having new unique players quitting during that period. This a joke? So CCP estimates people will quit less when they go 0/15 like 3 people do every game? Also - you're now letting in even bigger scrubs into our games - so you're hurting vets enjoyment too. Just - wow. I am not the one with the numbers so I don't know what exactly CCP is doing but leaving it as was not working from the looks of it. BA shouldn't be causing people to leave verses the days before we had it, most unfortunately none of those people who have left are here to talk. They quit after all. I do remember extensive dev blogs from other studios over the subject of the first 2-5 minutes, hell Extra Credits did a peice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFU4tjMndi4 and there are plenty of development studios that know about this and try to make the first 5 minutes epic, though the worst MMOs on market make the mistake that the first 5 minutes where more epic than the entire rest of the game combined. I also remember when Battle Academy first game out there was a crap ton of complaints of not was it only TOO long but when people got out of it the illusion shattered of how the rest of the game is. I also shortly remembered a bunch of braggers posting on how they were purposely rolling alts to pwn noobs. To which 400 wps would see them out of the BA in one match. As another poster stated what difference is 50k sp going to make? Let alone the wall slam that happens regardless as soon as they leave? This wall slam is only experienced one time more by most regular players when they first go into PC matches. Should there be a PC Battle Academy as well?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7023	Posted - 2013.08.07 01:53:00 - [3] - Quote Either way. Current NPE is not cutting it. There needs to be entirely new things installed completely as an entirely new feature not resorting to using Server Magic to set up these matches. In other respect let's do take my Removal of the Battle Academy suggestion seriously. and replace it with a training room tutorial (in which this room becomes accessible for the future for trying things out) and put in then put in the true skill based matchmaking where new players are pitted against like players and those who excel in skills will be accelerated out of it into ever more increasing challenges provided by other players. Would that be more effective?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7025	Posted - 2013.08.07 04:24:00 - [4] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: AP Grasshopper wrote: Where are those Drones CCP? The same place they put procedurally generated persistent planets: Back in the bowl. Nope PVE is on the shelf for safe keeping Procedurally generated persistent planets have been thrown on the floor due to various limitations. If they ever decide to do this again they will have to start on it from scrap.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7054	Posted - 2013.08.08 09:02:00 - [5] - Quote I dunno how does !@#holes who constantly roll alts to pwn noobs in BA justified either? The current system testing means they're out of the BA in one fight most of the time. Making BA much longer helps these jerks much more than the rookies. There is a theory in Eve and its going to hold true here, anything designed to purposely help new or smaller groups of players is going to ultimately massively benefit the veteran and larger groups of players more so. Between the two empty character slots and how long it took a good player to burn though the 20k wp with the 10 hour cool down you can do this near endlessly. Currently there are three things players use to progress: Actual Skill Skill Level Gear BA barely provides enough training in Gear, or Skill Levels and in my honest opinion NEVER should be used as such. We can do this by well eliminating the use of Basic, Advanced, Prototype gear in BA. This will make the noob gankers less effective as well since they don't have access to the ability to widen the gap massively between themselves and new players, and lets face it, there is nearly absolutely to hand hold a player into increasing actual skill without pitting them against better players. The tutorials can only arm that player with the knowledge they need to improve but the player will have to do the improving himself in the wild, this is not something you can gain entirely by sitting at a desk writing about it. BA should be used ultimately as an evaluation period for placement inside the matchmaking system Similar to the 5 placement fights Star Craft II uses. It shouldn't be used as a means of teaching players basics of the game, it should be a place of applying what they have been taught so far for the first time. We need better NPE overall and something before the Academy, and a means of flagging an entire account of doing the BA before and skipping over it entirely so they would have to make new PSN alts to troll players at least. As for the experiment and the sorts CCP needs to verify their theories, yes its bad to do this but then again the first BA was also an experiment and was supposed to be temporary. As for what next week's experiment is I don't know but this is all stuff to that can get done while waiting for the new stuff to make it in planned patch soon.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7123	Posted - 2013.08.10 08:01:00 - [6] - Quote RydogV wrote: From 20k to 400 War Points. That is a pretty big pendulum swing IMO. The could have just dropped it down to 10k and reevaluated from there. Massive change is never the answer when you are trying to "fine-tune" something. And something tells me the massive exodus of new players probably had little to do with how much time they spent in Academy. Especially when you could still be invited to standard matches via friends who graduated already. Some wacky theories here. Thing is the 'wall slam' experienced at 20k is exactly the same wall 'slam experienced' at amount of wall slam at 400 WP or (or 0 WP) even 10 million SP going into PC the first time.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7124	Posted - 2013.08.10 08:20:00 - [7] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Thing is the 'wall slam' experienced at 20k is exactly the same wall 'slam experienced' at amount of wall slam at 400 WP or (or 0 WP) even 10 million SP going into PC the first time. Hardly. There's a huge difference in being released for pub stomping after 1-2 matches or 50 matches. Sure you won't have much SP either way, but with 20k WP as the limit you would have a lot of battle experience before being released. You can also be fairly competitive in PC with 10 million SP. I "only" have 14 million and I can be pretty competitive in PC. Do you even know anything about PC anyway? I only know by proxy I don't ringer into those fights because they're at odd times I am unable to use the PS3 mostly. Few folks who I have talked with going into PC for the first time said its a world's difference in facing a coherent team.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7124	Posted - 2013.08.10 08:22:00 - [8] - Quote Mad Mav wrote: So how was reducing the WP an improvement then? Oh yea, CCP is "experimenting". If they would do less experimenting and actually listen to our feedback then they would know that reducing the WP was not the way to go. Well what are you suggestions and since you're so smart care to guess the numbers of people who graduated (earned enough war points to leave) the first iteration of the Battle Academy?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7127	Posted - 2013.08.10 20:01:00 - [9] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Well what are you suggestions and since you're so smart care to guess the numbers of people who graduated (earned enough war points to leave) the first iteration of the Battle Academy? Ahh, that makes things a little clearer, thanks. So I'm guessing the main problem was that the majority of genuinely new players (I'm assuming CCP can distinguish between new alts and new accounts in BA) were getting bored of BA and quitting before they got to 10K WP, and therefore not experiencing the full game. A secondary problem is the "wall-slam" when moving from BA to general matches. CCP decided there is no easy fix to the wall-slam, but they can easily fix the "quitting before experiencing the full game" problem by dropping the limit to 400WP. I'm further assuming CCP are hoping that the new matchmaking system they are working on will solve the wall-slam. This man deserves a plate of internet cookies. He is able to step back and not think like a player.

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