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Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2897	Posted - 2013.08.06 18:54:00 - [1] - Quote Start firing Release pressure just enough that you stop Squeeze again immediately Once you get the exact amount of pressure figured out, you can "feather" R1 to allow maximum rate of fire with little to no dispersion increase. There is no way that any adjustment of the Assault Rifle or any other weapon will have any real effect until they fix the fact that dispersion resets instantly upon releasing the trigger.
BLKDG ROYAL SQUAD Shadow of the Apocalypse 32	Posted - 2013.08.06 18:56:00 - [2] - Quote DUDE thats OP nerf fingures
Foley Jones Famous.OTF Only The Famous 151	Posted - 2013.08.06 18:57:00 - [3] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Start firing Release pressure just enough that you stop Squeeze again immediately Once you get the exact amount of pressure figured out, you can "feather" R1 to allow maximum rate of fire with little to no dispersion increase. There is no way that any adjustment of the Assault Rifle or any other weapon will have any real effect until they fix the fact that dispersion resets instantly upon releasing the trigger. excellent more AR murder for my "Exile" >:]
Princeps Marcellus Expert Intervention Caldari State 144	Posted - 2013.08.06 19:00:00 - [4] - Quote I noticed this when I was playing around with militia fits. Shame I'll never abuse it. I'm a laser rifleman and a tanker. AR just isn't my style.
Beren Hurin The Vanguardians 985	Posted - 2013.08.06 19:00:00 - [5] - Quote This is why they should go with my hybrids suggestion. Cause a deionization effect that is the opposite of overheating. The more you hold down the weapon the slower it's RoF or higher its dispersion or weaker it hits. STD weapons would go from 100% effectiveness to 75% full RoF at full spam level. ADV 100% to 85% PRO 100% to 90% The blaster turrets already basically have this mechanic built in. {[][] Friction and Ion Grenades: An Anti-Weapon EWAR System [][]}
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 689	Posted - 2013.08.06 19:01:00 - [6] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Start firing Release pressure just enough that you stop Squeeze again immediately Once you get the exact amount of pressure figured out, you can "feather" R1 to allow maximum rate of fire with little to no dispersion increase. There is no way that any adjustment of the Assault Rifle or any other weapon will have any real effect until they fix the fact that dispersion resets instantly upon releasing the trigger. Wrong again nub
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2898	Posted - 2013.08.06 19:01:00 - [7] - Quote BLKDG wrote: DUDE thats OP nerf fingures Most other games just have a kind of cooldown period on the dispersion reset, so you actually have to pause between bursts to make the dispersion or recoil go down. Since this is CCP's first shooter, it's not that surprising that they missed that. ReGnYuM wrote: Wrong again nub Done it myself, verified by 3 different sources.
Kinky Burrito A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 161	Posted - 2013.08.06 19:04:00 - [8] - Quote Secret to every weapon: Aim for the head.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2898	Posted - 2013.08.06 19:07:00 - [9] - Quote Kinky Burrito wrote: Secret to every weapon: Aim for the head. Easier when all your shots land right on it. To further clarify the OP, this is the exact same tactic I used in Halo 3 with the Assault Rifle to deal with the pesky Battle Rifle users at close range. Where you would normally have to go through an entire magazine to kill someone with the AR, I could down people in half that without reducing my rate of fire. Pretty much everyone that didn't ***** the BR all the time new that trick and used it. Obviously, Bungie fixed it for their future games, but like I said, this is CCPs first time at this. The issue can be easily overlooked in internal testing.
Beren Hurin The Vanguardians 985	Posted - 2013.08.06 19:08:00 - [10] - Quote So how fast is it? Is it like once a second, or less than that? Also this doesn't seem to work on the assault scrambler rifle.

Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2898	Posted - 2013.08.06 19:10:00 - [11] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: So how fast is it? Is it like once a second, or less than that? Once a second is fine, though you can widen the gap more than that without easily depending on how high your AR and Sharpshooter skills are. In order to not kill your fingers, you should aim for around 2 seconds unless you only have AR level 1 and no SS skill, or something. And hey, don't just take my word for it. Try it!
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 689	Posted - 2013.08.06 19:12:00 - [12] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: BLKDG wrote: DUDE thats OP nerf fingures Most other games just have a kind of cooldown period on the dispersion reset, so you actually have to pause between bursts to make the dispersion or recoil go down. Since this is CCP's first shooter, it's not that surprising that they missed that. ReGnYuM wrote: Wrong again nub Done it myself, verified by 3 different sources. ADS or Hip
King Kobrah SyNergy Gaming EoN. 965	Posted - 2013.08.06 19:14:00 - [13] - Quote congratulations, you figured out something closed beta players have been doing since day one now if you could just figure out how to properly strafe and aim, you might be able to get a kill or two.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2898	Posted - 2013.08.06 19:15:00 - [14] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: BLKDG wrote: DUDE thats OP nerf fingures Most other games just have a kind of cooldown period on the dispersion reset, so you actually have to pause between bursts to make the dispersion or recoil go down. Since this is CCP's first shooter, it's not that surprising that they missed that. ReGnYuM wrote: Wrong again nub Done it myself, verified by 3 different sources. ADS or Hip I've only tried ADS myself. I think it would work for both, though. Worked for ADS like a charm. And, again, slap an AR on your fit and give it a shot!
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 689	Posted - 2013.08.06 19:22:00 - [15] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: BLKDG wrote: DUDE thats OP nerf fingures Most other games just have a kind of cooldown period on the dispersion reset, so you actually have to pause between bursts to make the dispersion or recoil go down. Since this is CCP's first shooter, it's not that surprising that they missed that. ReGnYuM wrote: Wrong again nub Done it myself, verified by 3 different sources. ADS or Hip I've only tried ADS myself. I think it would work for both, though. Worked for ADS like a charm. And, again, slap an AR on your fit and give it a shot! For ADS yes but not for hip lol I thought you were talking about hip This is not the case for Hip tho
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 952	Posted - 2013.08.06 19:22:00 - [16] - Quote You can do this in any FPS, its called firing in bursts it's just easier in Dust 514.
Rogatien Merc Red Star. EoN. 621	Posted - 2013.08.06 19:24:00 - [17] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: BLKDG wrote: DUDE thats OP nerf fingures Most other games just have a kind of cooldown period on the dispersion reset, so you actually have to pause between bursts to make the dispersion or recoil go down. Since this is CCP's first shooter, it's not that surprising that they missed that. ReGnYuM wrote: Wrong again nub Done it myself, verified by 3 different sources. ADS or Hip I've only tried ADS myself. I think it would work for both, though. Worked for ADS like a charm. And, again, slap an AR on your fit and give it a shot! Confirming ReGnYum should ... give ARs a shot...
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1493	Posted - 2013.08.06 19:31:00 - [18] - Quote Pretty sure regnyum is correct in this case. Recoil resets in ADS but recoil is not dispersion. When in ADS bullet dispersion is essentially zero. When hip firing, you can clearly see what your dispersion is doing based on the dynamic reticule.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2899	Posted - 2013.08.06 19:34:00 - [19] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Pretty sure regnyum is correct in this case. Recoil resets in ADS but recoil is not dispersion. When in ADS bullet dispersion is essentially zero. When hip firing, you can clearly see what your dispersion is doing based on the dynamic reticule. Semantics. I'm used to recoil being vertical, so what the AR does in ADS seems better described as dispersion to me. Regardless, if you hold down the trigger through the entire magazine, you'll see the dispersion will build even at the highest levels of the AR skill. However, feathering R1 allows you to maintain your full RoF in ADS without any dispersion build.
Bethhy Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 48	Posted - 2013.08.06 19:42:00 - [20] - Quote I was using a COLT-M4A1 Assault Rifle at the shooting range and something weird happened, when I let the trigger go and bursted my shots instead of holding it down my bullets where more accurate. True story.

hooc order Deep Space Republic Top Men. 803	Posted - 2013.08.06 19:54:00 - [21] - Quote Dispersion is crap game design anyway. Why would my bullets randomly not fire straight again? Is this an AR or a musket? It should all be in the kick.
semperfi1999 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 730	Posted - 2013.08.06 20:01:00 - [22] - Quote Negative.... We all know bullets come out of guns at 45 degree angles.
Kalante Schiffer damn i suck 384	Posted - 2013.08.06 20:03:00 - [23] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Start firing Release pressure just enough that you stop Squeeze again immediately Once you get the exact amount of pressure figured out, you can "feather" R1 to allow maximum rate of fire with little to no dispersion increase. There is no way that any adjustment of the Assault Rifle or any other weapon will have any real effect until they fix the fact that dispersion resets instantly upon releasing the trigger. damn almost 3k likes you must sit on the forums all day. also good job on not telling how to strafe, maneuver, aim for the head and all that jazz because obviously thats not what we do in order to win against another skilled ar player, we shoot each other on the D.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 88	Posted - 2013.08.06 20:09:00 - [24] - Quote I like how AR-apologists almost exclusively behave like agressive douchebags. Now then to the gun nut from the other page: Its not burst firing if you fire as fast as full auto. This is clearly not a feature but a glitch. Strafing and bunnyhopping is not a valid counter vs glitching.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2901	Posted - 2013.08.06 20:37:00 - [25] - Quote Beeeees wrote: I like how AR-apologists almost exclusively behave like agressive douchebags. Now then to the gun nut from the other page: Its not burst firing if you fire as fast as full auto. This is clearly not a feature but a glitch. Strafing and bunnyhopping is not a valid counter vs glitching. And that is exactly my point. If anyone is coming in here thinking I'm calling them a hacker or something, I'm not. As much as pretty much all of us detested the state of the old Caldari Logistics suit, it was people gravitating toward what was most successful. Nobody is hacking the game or anything here, as the issue is based in the game design itself. All that needs to be done is the issue needs to be corrected. No need to be trying to tear people down over this or anything.
King Kobrah SyNergy Gaming EoN. 970	Posted - 2013.08.06 20:44:00 - [26] - Quote spoiler: it works that way for every single gun, not just the AR spoiler: you should be burst firing ADS and hipfire anyways
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2901	Posted - 2013.08.06 20:47:00 - [27] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: spoiler: it works that way for every single gun, not just the AR spoiler: you should be burst firing ADS and hipfire anyways That's what I did actually. I didn't even know what I posted about was possible until Cat Merc informed me of it, and then I tried it for myself. And yeah, I'm aware it works for the SMG as well, for instance.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions 2904	Posted - 2013.08.06 21:25:00 - [28] - Quote hooc order wrote: Dispersion is crap game design anyway. Why would my bullets randomly not fire straight again? Is this an AR or a musket? It should all be in the kick. Well, see, that relates to the point on semantics I made earlier. When I say dispersion, what I'm talking about is the kick. You know, that builds slowly as you fire? I just think of kick as being synonymous with recoil, so what the AR does seems better described as dispersion to me.
Ninjanomyx One Who Bears Fangs At GOD 139	Posted - 2013.08.06 22:27:00 - [29] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: BLKDG wrote: DUDE thats OP nerf fingures Most other games just have a kind of cooldown period on the dispersion reset, so you actually have to pause between bursts to make the dispersion or recoil go down. Since this is CCP's first shooter, it's not that surprising that they missed that. ReGnYuM wrote: Wrong again nub Done it myself, verified by 3 different sources. ADS or Hip I've only tried ADS myself. I think it would work for both, though. Worked for ADS like a charm. And, again, slap an AR on your fit and give it a shot! You are telling ReGnYuM to give the AR a Shot??? WTF IS THIS WORLD COMING TO!!!!!!!!!???????????
ReGnYuM TeamPlayers EoN. 691	Posted - 2013.08.06 23:11:00 - [30] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Pretty sure regnyum is correct in this case. Recoil resets in ADS but recoil is not dispersion. When in ADS bullet dispersion is essentially zero. When hip firing, you can clearly see what your dispersion is doing based on the dynamic reticule. Semantics. I'm used to recoil being vertical, so what the AR does in ADS seems better described as dispersion to me. Regardless, if you hold down the trigger through the entire magazine, you'll see the dispersion will build even at the highest levels of the AR skill. However, feathering R1 allows you to maintain your full RoF in ADS without any dispersion build. Standing still maybe



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