Some people have to use those servers to get their best connection, you know.

Goes to Oceania to test.

Complains when people come to play.

Gonna need a fresh tear bucket.

How would they know you are testing? And like said some people do play there so you telling them that they "can't" doesn't feel super.

"Testing" is one round away from screwing others over for easy kills too lol This is New Eden after all, I'm sure lots would say "I'm testing" and then shoot them in the back.

Oceanic servers are the best option to test things out in a certain timezone, but it still stays a playing server and stuff like that will happen weter people are aware of your testing or not.

You're better of for lobbying for a test-server (or atleast a other server option where no WP,... can be gained or something like that) to CCP/CPM after all the results you already have posted on this forums that definitly has helped this game.

With that being said I think there is a chance you will only attract more douchebags with a post like this.

Calling a vehicle to FF kill them.

Was from your corporation so I can only imagine.

Alright, so - I'm throwing this out there to everyone.

There are easier ways to boost in this game than to fire one round and have someone repair the damage.

So, when you see three people on the Oceania server (because, yanno, we don't have a test server) why do you feel the need to be -that- kind of douchebag and actually infringe on testing? You made two easy kills on a server that has, at most, 8 players. Congratulations.

You know what I find sad? Not only did you have to get your kicks by killing a testing team - which it's pretty well known that I am, in fact, a legitimate tester by the feedback I've been posting on the forums, but you had to put a 5 man squad into an empty server to secure a victory - I'd say that's more along the lines of boosting than anything else.

So, without further adieu, here's a giant middle finger to the five man squad that feels the need to get their rocks off intereferring with the only legitimate test method in this game.

Edit: Oh, and dropping vehicles on friendlies? Nice move, you're doing your corporation a real service.

Bummer Aeon. All the toxic responses to the greifing you've received are so very Eve like.

If you want to seriously go about weapon tests I'd suggest hooking up with some Booster Squads.

how the **** do you switch servers? iv never seen an option for that before

Options menu system config tab server section, enjoy

oceanic has been dubbed the afker server.....

we see people that only come to oceanic to afk, is there any reason why you couldnt test on the American server?

I don't see a reason, perhaps you could enlighten us?


also, make sure your corpies are told they will get kicked from your corp if they afk, and that afking on oceanic is a big no-no... then maybe people will respect what you are trying to do... at which point my question still remains... any reason why testing on the american server is an unreasonable expectation? :P

Please don't over harass the testing crews, they're investigating the weirdest things Dust 514 that majority of has been unintended behavior.

Is the testing crew more important than the Oceanic-player base? There is no need to fingerpoint to these so called "anti-testers", point your fingers to CCP. Especially if you are in the CPM.

I sware dust is the only game where players are so self centerd that they are utterly incapable of seeing how there actions ruin others enjoyment of the game. Or if they do they don't care and I'm not sure which is worse.

And this only matched by ccp being one of the worst devs iv seen at policeing their own game. It's very discouraging when the servers are so empty as the norm that players log onto them just boost or look for more exploits

I already mentioned that the testing was a good thing for the game, but if he feels the need to complain about getting killed in a game that is meant to be played while I'm pretty sure that Oceanic players have also asked to solve all these issues than ruin the game for them then yes we are allowed to call him out for it. That's how it is and for the record he made the decision to make the smartass remark to say that it were people from my corp implying I'm a douchebag too :-). (It's always possible those guys were new to the game, don't know how to switch servers and all they see is AFKing and testing things out.....)

I can also start a thread where I State to test dropship in American servers and go cry me a river everytime I get shotted down!

It's not the Oceanic players fault that CCP made an error by releasing this game too soon.

As a CPM you should present both parties and go to CCP and tell to make a test-server or go back to beta or something like that.

I already mentioned that the testing was a good thing for the game, but if he feels the need to complain about getting killed in a game that is meant to be played while I'm pretty sure that Oceanic players have also asked to solve all these issues than ruin the game for them then yes we are allowed to call him out for it. That's how it is and for the record he made the decision to make the smartass remark to say that it were people from my corp implying I'm a douchebag too :-). (It's always possible those guys were new to the game, don't know how to switch servers and all they see is AFKing and testing things out.....)

I can also start a thread where I State to test dropship in American servers and go cry me a river everytime I get shotted down!

It's not the Oceanic players fault that CCP made an error by releasing this game too soon.

As a CPM you should present both parties and go to CCP and tell to make a test-server or go back to beta or something like that.

CPM already knows why there isn't a test server yet. Read the AMA. First post https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97190&find=unread

And the rest of my post?
OK, no test servers....let's be creative....maybe another server that only specific people can enter or something like academy games but then for testers,.....

What don't you understand about the fact that I was killed by a five man squad on my team who encircled my player model so that I couldn't move and then called in a ******* vehicle?

There's a big difference between getting killed by an enemy team through outside interference and having a squad realize what you're doing and actually -go out of their way- to ensure that you can't perform what you're trying to accomplish.

Let me get something straight - this was an Ambush match and we were -WELL- out of the normal combat zone on the border of the red line some 400m away from normal combat area. This wasn't something that just happened because we were too close to legitimate players who were playing legitimately.

You didn't read or understood what you read and until consented battles come back in we're not going to see aeon be able to test in peace and unfortunately its not part of the roadmap.

What you don't undstand is that I'm not a mindreader and that there are players not happy with what people are doing in Oceanic games in a game that is supposed to be "released"...I say it is fair game.

Oooooh I'm scared now...I'm sorry I called you out on your bullshit.

Atleast we'll get players on Oceanic then...where are you going to test then?

BTW: IWS just said CCP said it doesn't want you to test in peace yet...deal with it.

Regardless of which server you're on, it is still an "active" game, and not a test server. To think that everyone will just leave you be to do your own thing seems a little nieve (seriously, have you never played an online game before?).

The ONLY way you'll avoid this is if you can somehow manage to fill the match with only people who are in on the testing and who you can trust not to interfere. Good luck with that.

Otherswise, unless they introduce either a test server or private matches, you'll just have to test at your own risk.

Yeah, american servers are full pretty much 24/7, but the oceanic rooms are usually open, making it a great place to "test", but, Southern Legion, (an australian corp i believe) definitely has the right to protest your nuclear testing or whatever you are doing on their hometurf....... so to speak.

See, the best part is that with this post you just outed your corporation for what they are and the community will see that as such

Say hi to your public relations team for me!

And how I'm a merc and I'm just an individual.

And how you try to hide your immature complaining about getting killed behind someone elses corporation, so I get kicked from my corp...then what?

And how CCP doesn't care about a specific playerbase.

Best explanation I've gotten so far that wasn't just mindless trolling and "deal with it".

But, like I said in a previous post. I now know who to look for and who to avoid.

Had a really good joke but... Nah....

Deal with it.

Does CCP not have their own guys that test for bugs and glitches?

True cavman, but there seems to be a lot of emotion invested in this topic when it seems to me this testing thing should be CCP's purview, not one of their paying (hopefully) customers lol.

Testing is done by CCP, but it seems they are too small of a team/got too much on their hands.

Testing is done by CCP, but it seems they are too small of a team/got too much on their hands.

Testing from the community is a great addition to providing feedback like Aeon is doing. Unfortunately, there is always some douches who prefer to kill team mates because they feel butthurt for loosing a game, or they are bored to play.

And then you come on the forum and there is those forum warrior who stick on a single word and try to crash down a post or prove you wrong.

And by the way, I don't know you RKKR, but from your post here, I would say Aeon was right on with is assumption.

I got to admit though, You wont see any good outcome from this topic Aeon, just keep going with your stuff in other games.

The thing here, RK, may I call you RK?


RK, the thing here is that by interfering with them, you are actually hurting yourself. Aeon is providing a service, much like the Egyptian Plover. An example I might also use that might strike closer to home is the Bluestreak Cleaner Wrasse.

These are symbiotic animals that clean the mouths of deadlier predators. They get a food chain pass due to the service they provide. Kind of one of those cool unwritten rules of nature.


So I assume you see where I am going with this?

This is like that show "Whale Wars" where the Japanese Whaling Fleet hides under the guise of being scientific research vessels.

Whale Wars is about a bunch of assholes going around in a boat raising the japanese unemployment rates.

Less players = less danger of interference. It is entirely unreasonable on American servers when you have 16 v 16 players as opposed to 4 v 4 when trying to test something that requires testing players be on both sides.

Also, not sure why I should care about AFKing on Oceanic servers when the general response to testing on them is... well, this. It's largely the same response. You don't like what I'm doing, I don't like what you're doing. Agree to disagree.

Best explanation I've gotten so far that wasn't just mindless trolling and "deal with it".

But, like I said in a previous post. I now know who to look for and who to avoid.

Had a really good joke but... Nah....

Was from your corporation so I can only imagine.

Please don't over harass the testing crews, they're investigating the weirdest things Dust 514 that majority of has been unintended behavior.

Aeon Amandi and his crew has been invaluable lately.

Then give them a test server. The CPM endorses cheating now? Saber you can **** right off. Test that.

Cheating? if you want to black and white everything, Killing an ally in a non-FF allowed game is considered cheating as well.

You're so philosophical. please adorn me with more pearls of wisdom.

To a random bystander, "testing" could look a lot like boosting.

(and, conversely, boosters could easily claim that they are "testing")

I won't argue that but from what other people who 'tested' boosting its is a crap tonn of work for so little gains. The AFK system currently almost discourages boosting but soon as AFKing gets fixed I expect boosting to become a thing.

Alright, so - I'm throwing this out there to everyone.

There are easier ways to boost in this game than to fire one round and have someone repair the damage.

So, when you see three people on the Oceania server (because, yanno, we don't have a test server) why do you feel the need to be -that- kind of douchebag and actually infringe on testing? You made two easy kills on a server that has, at most, 8 players. Congratulations.

You know what I find sad? Not only did you have to get your kicks by killing a testing team - which it's pretty well known that I am, in fact, a legitimate tester by the feedback I've been posting on the forums, but you had to put a 5 man squad into an empty server to secure a victory - I'd say that's more along the lines of boosting than anything else.

So, without further adieu, here's a giant middle finger to the five man squad that feels the need to get their rocks off intereferring with the only legitimate test method in this game.

Edit: Oh, and dropping vehicles on friendlies? Nice move, you're doing your corporation a real service.

Cheating? if you want to black and white everything, Killing an ally in a non-FF allowed game is considered cheating as well.

Thing is though we don't have an ISD Bug Hunter division either. I also have a funny suspicion that even if they do make a test battle server like you suggested RKKR, your justifications for screwing with a tester still applies there regardless.

And just wow RKKR just wow... I don't know what to say you're saying you want this game to fail and Oceania to remain the ghost town as it is? You seem driven towards that goal RKKR.

As for player based quality assurance name me one successful MMO that doesn't rely on people fishing and whining about the game being broken.

The absolute bottom line RKKR though is players is what gives CCP work, No players no work. Period.

Don't put words in my mouth if I want to see this game fail I shouldn't be playing it. Suspicions work the same way as assumptions. It's also clear on whose side you are on and just want to paint a bad image over me, so you still think it's OK for a player to dictate how others need to play the game in a game that promoted a FREE world? Or are you just going to keep responding to PARTS of my post that favor your standpoint?

I also want to make one thing clear: I never interrupted a testing crew and I never plan to, this is all about the attitude of this thread...

If you want to be a testing crew then you have to be aware that it comes with risk and there is a chance to get killed, aeon seems to be aware of that judging from his post where he states that there is less risk on Oceanic servers.

If he gets killed? So what? Charge it to the game...take a protective team with you....don't cry on the forums, crybabies get called out all the time on these forum but for some reason there are different rules for aeon? Again where is the FREE WORLD part that New Eden is sooo know for? yet I can't call it fair game?

There was nothing wrong with my first post, but aeon just couldn't help himself to make a nasty remark and he then continued to threaten with bounties and such things...well he claims I ruined our corps image (too bad he doesn't realise I'm an individual) but I guess it's the same for his image. He is just a bigmouthed crybaby that happends to help the game by testing it in this thread. you fanboys only want to see the latter part.

PS IWS: how hard is it for CCP to make a new gamemode with friendly fire (only 12 players to prevent interupters) with both teams physically seperated,...?

With the exception of my last post (I guess I tried to paint it to black/white) I tried to give a solution for the testing team, but I'm sorry I'm not in CPM and aware of everything, I guess I must be a troll! I hope you think twice before trying to paint a negative picture on someone next time.

Sorry Aeon, but I have to point out some thing here. This was the first reply you got that wasn't 'mindless trolling', yet you had to reply to it as if it was, and mind you, in a trolling fashion too:

That's not really what I meant.

If I was in a game, and I happened upon two opposing players, one allowing the other to shoot him repeatedly, my first thought would probably be that they were boosting or cheating, not that they were testing weapon damage (as a hypothetical example).

At the same time, two players who actually were boosting could easily claim that they were simply "testing", in order to continue their cheating unabated.

Personally, I've always been big on testing, myself. I'm curious that way and like to know how things work. Unfortunately, testing in a live game environment is not without it's challenges and difficulties, and interferrence from other players is inevitable and should be expected.

This is EXACTLY why test servers exist in the first place, so testers can do their thing, free from interruptions such as these.

If you want to be a testing crew then you have to be aware that it comes with risk and there is a chance to get killed, aeon seems to be aware of that judging from his post where he states that there is less risk on Oceanic servers.

If he gets killed? So what? Charge it to the game...take a protective team with you....don't cry on the forums, crybabies get called out all the time on these forum but for some reason there are different rules for aeon? Again where is the FREE WORLD part that New Eden is sooo know for? yet I can't call it fair game?

Thanks for answering a PART of my post.

If only 6 persons are allowed on one side (and the opposite team seperated due to map-design), it isn't that hard to find 6 people to test with you without interruption of players aware or not-aware of your testing activities? Anyway it's seems it's no use to suggest a creative solution but I could also ignore all the other parts of your post and say you're wrong.

Yet somehow you still refuse to acknowledge that this wasn't just a coincidental killing it was an outright assault that even went so far as to commit to friendly fire. What do you -not- understand about that? Testing servers wouldn't fix that issue they'd just have a quaint area to commit to the griefing - imagine that for a second, a server where I know people will be that I could personally **** with.

Free world though, right?

And why should six players have to be pried away from actually playing the game to ensure the safety of a test crew on a -TEST SERVER-? Dude, your idea is flawed and you're just throwing ideas out there without even thinking of the outside variables, that's why I'm only answering part of your post.

That and the rest of your post consisted of calling me a cry-baby so I can only assume that you want me to respond to your trolling so you can get a rise.

-Jazz hands and magical fackin fairy dust-

It was a response to IWS.

Isn't that what you do now? grab some people and not actually play the game to test things out? but then complain about getting killed while in such a game-mode you could do all the testing you want without getting disturbed?

I call you a cry-baby because well...you are crying.

I wonder why you made this thread then?

I guess we are done here.

Regardless of which server you're on, it is still an "active" game, and not a test server. To think that everyone will just leave you be to do your own thing seems a little nieve (seriously, have you never played an online game before?).

The ONLY way you'll avoid this is if you can somehow manage to fill the match with only people who are in on the testing and who you can trust not to interfere. Good luck with that.

Otherswise, unless they introduce either a test server or private matches, you'll just have to test at your own risk.

Or he forms up two full squads and sincs on Oceana inside Skirmish matches during peak North America hours. Highest provability of getting AFK-ers, long matches, big maps, and one third of the potential risks are removed.

Of the few times I've hung out on Oceana all the combat action was in Domination and Ambushes. Even those didn't always fill up.

Read this thread again and try to figure out how the Oceanic player base feels.

Complaining isn't going to help. New Eden is a free world, bring a protective team.

Done.

Yes, because I'm sure 12 people want to drop everything their doing and stand around for 20-30 minutes, lol.. It's just no feasible, nor practical, unfortunately.

Did I just get compared to a toothbrush or a fish?

Not sure if honored or insulted

I was just talking in terms he'd understand.