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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.08.06 09:50:00 -
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Please don't over harass the testing crews, they're investigating the weirdest things Dust 514 that majority of has been unintended behavior.
Aeon Amandi and his crew has been invaluable lately. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.08.06 09:59:00 -
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RKKR wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Please don't over harass the testing crews, they're investigating the weirdest things Dust 514 that majority of has been unintended behavior.
Is the testing crew more important than the Oceanic-player base? There is no need to fingerpoint to these so called "anti-testers", point your fingers to CCP. Especially if you are in the CPM.
I asked nicely and done no such finger pointing.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1144833#post1144833
What is currently testing. Similar through testing has yielding other fixes such as 'dynamic' collision boxes which caused people to not squeeze through areas when running. The OB exploits in the past. War Point Exploits. PC horrific voice lag. Flux Grenade Killing, The list goes on and on.
If you got that big of a problem with it, work something out like ask Aeon nicely to participate in the match halfway through the match or help him test things out then go squadding a bit. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.08.06 10:13:00 -
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RKKR wrote:I already mentioned that the testing was a good thing for the game, but if he feels the need to complain about getting killed in a game that is meant to be played while I'm pretty sure that Oceanic players have also asked to solve all these issues than ruin the game for them then yes we are allowed to call him out for it. That's how it is and for the record he made the decision to make the smartass remark to say that it were people from my corp implying I'm a douchebag too :-). (It's always possible those guys were new to the game, don't know how to switch servers and all they see is AFKing and testing things out.....)
I can also start a thread where I State to test dropship in American servers and go cry me a river everytime I get shotted down!
It's not the Oceanic players fault that CCP made an error by releasing this game too soon.
As a CPM you should present both parties and go to CCP and tell to make a test-server or go back to beta or something like that.
CPM already knows why there isn't a test server yet. Read the AMA. First post https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97190&find=unread |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.08.06 10:20:00 -
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RKKR wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:RKKR wrote:I already mentioned that the testing was a good thing for the game, but if he feels the need to complain about getting killed in a game that is meant to be played while I'm pretty sure that Oceanic players have also asked to solve all these issues than ruin the game for them then yes we are allowed to call him out for it. That's how it is and for the record he made the decision to make the smartass remark to say that it were people from my corp implying I'm a douchebag too :-). (It's always possible those guys were new to the game, don't know how to switch servers and all they see is AFKing and testing things out.....)
I can also start a thread where I State to test dropship in American servers and go cry me a river everytime I get shotted down!
It's not the Oceanic players fault that CCP made an error by releasing this game too soon.
As a CPM you should present both parties and go to CCP and tell to make a test-server or go back to beta or something like that. CPM already knows why there isn't a test server yet. Read the AMA. First post https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97190&find=unread And the rest of my post? OK, no test servers....let's be creative....maybe another server that only specific people can enter or something like academy games but then for testers,.....
You didn't read or understood what you read and until consented battles come back in we're not going to see aeon be able to test in peace and unfortunately its not part of the roadmap. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.08.06 20:11:00 -
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Thing is though we don't have an ISD Bug Hunter division either. I also have a funny suspicion that even if they do make a test battle server like you suggested RKKR, you're justifications for screwing with a tester still applies there regardless.
And just wow RKKR just wow... I don't know what to say you're saying you want this game to fail and Oceania to remain the ghost town as it is? You seem driven towards that goal RKKR.
As for player based quality assurance name me one successful MMO that doesn't rely on people fishing and whining about the game being broken. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:04:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:KGB Sleep wrote:This is like that show "Whale Wars" where the Japanese Whaling Fleet hides under the guise of being scientific research vessels.
Whale Wars is about a bunch of assholes going around in a boat raising the japanese unemployment rates.
So if all the whale are gone would the situation be any different? There are some species of whale with less than 1000 members left and just the last year we just classified another one as functionally extinct.
Why if we had a 5 year world wide ban on fishing we'd be set for our generation on fish. Fishies need to start acting like farmers and allow the area to recover up a bit. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:25:00 -
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I am not sure how many of are familiar with Eve Test servers, but opening up a test server WON'T stop the behavior described, after all one could be doing an important physics test, and the other party involved non-consensually decides to test their 'latest' fit on bug hunters.
However going after the players who do has been shown to be more effective. I would like to see the results of crowd sourcing bad behavior on XBONE is going to do soon enough. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:48:00 -
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WhiskeyJack Otako wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Please don't over harass the testing crews, they're investigating the weirdest things Dust 514 that majority of has been unintended behavior.
Aeon Amandi and his crew has been invaluable lately. Then give them a test server. The CPM endorses cheating now? Saber you can **** right off. Test that.
Cheating? if you want to black and white everything, Killing an ally in a non-FF allowed game is considered cheating as well. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.08.07 00:59:00 -
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Jaqen Morghalis wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:WhiskeyJack Otako wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Please don't over harass the testing crews, they're investigating the weirdest things Dust 514 that majority of has been unintended behavior.
Aeon Amandi and his crew has been invaluable lately. Then give them a test server. The CPM endorses cheating now? Saber you can **** right off. Test that. Cheating? if you want to black and white everything, Killing an ally in a non-FF allowed game is considered cheating as well. To a random bystander, "testing" could look a lot like boosting. (and, conversely, boosters could easily claim that they are "testing")
I won't argue that but from what other people who 'tested' boosting its is a crap tonn of work for so little gains. The AFK system currently almost discourages boosting but soon as AFKing gets fixed I expect boosting to become a thing.
You can discourage bad behavior while encouraging good behavior, name and shame the boosters. After all he may wind up in a corp in the future that that sort of reputation does follow people. |
Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2013.08.07 09:17:00 -
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RKKR wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Thing is though we don't have an ISD Bug Hunter division either. I also have a funny suspicion that even if they do make a test battle server like you suggested RKKR, your justifications for screwing with a tester still applies there regardless.
And just wow RKKR just wow... I don't know what to say you're saying you want this game to fail and Oceania to remain the ghost town as it is? You seem driven towards that goal RKKR.
As for player based quality assurance name me one successful MMO that doesn't rely on people fishing and whining about the game being broken.
The absolute bottom line RKKR though is players is what gives CCP work, No players no work. Period. Don't put words in my mouth if I want to see this game fail I shouldn't be playing it. Suspicions work the same way as assumptions. It's also clear on whose side you are on and just want to paint a bad image over me, so you still think it's OK for a player to dictate how others need to play the game in a game that promoted a FREE world? Or are you just going to keep responding to PARTS of my post that favor your standpoint? I also want to make one thing clear: I never interrupted a testing crew and I never plan to, this is all about the attitude of this thread... If you want to be a testing crew then you have to be aware that it comes with risk and there is a chance to get killed, aeon seems to be aware of that judging from his post where he states that there is less risk on Oceanic servers. If he gets killed? So what? Charge it to the game...take a protective team with you....don't cry on the forums, crybabies get called out all the time on these forum but for some reason there are different rules for aeon? Again where is the FREE WORLD part that New Eden is sooo know for? yet I can't call it fair game? There was nothing wrong with my first post, but aeon just couldn't help himself to make a nasty remark and he then continued to threaten with bounties and such things...well he claims I ruined our corps image (too bad he doesn't realise I'm an individual) but I guess it's the same for his image. He is just a bigmouthed crybaby that happends to help the game by testing it in this thread. you fanboys only want to see the latter part. PS IWS: how hard is it for CCP to make a new gamemode with friendly fire (only 12 players to prevent interupters) with both teams physically seperated,...? With the exception of my last post (I guess I tried to paint it to black/white) I tried to give a solution for the testing team, but I'm sorry I'm not in CPM and aware of everything, I guess I must be a troll! I hope you think twice before trying to paint a negative picture on someone next time.
That is probably a massive waste of battle server space and bandwidth though which is STILL prone to people being holes even though there is nothing to gain from it, which again Test servers in Eve have proven this for 6 years. One of the reasons Corp vs Corp was taken out because of the lack of fights on any side for the 'results' that came out of it was not worth the enjoyment. There have been specific testing battles in the past with CCP support but CCP was at the controls of the servers and were able to spin up a battle in the mercenary tab for the testers volunteering for the task to join. In which even then losses are still real there and its still a physical place in tranquility. Tranquility has a weird sense of not liking virtual losses which is why (lossless) arenas was a canceled feature Eve side. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.08.07 09:42:00 -
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I think he was addressing me. |
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