DUST Search - Friendly Neighborhood Amarr Scout Possibilities

Lillica Foster wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Lillica Foster wrote:

Howdy fellas.
This is me throwing around ideas on Amarr scout skill bonuses based on existing scout suits.
The first idea is giving an increase to scrambler pistol headshot damage per each level. This is like the damage bonus for nova knives on the min. scout. It makes potent sidearm damage for a weapon resembling the race of the suit. Surely, someone wants to shout "OP! Needs a nerf! just look at shotgunners!" Heres the thing, this damage bonus only affects headshots, which are certainly hard to get with a scrambler pistol when doing the standard scout sidestep and hop.
A second nifty idea would be bonuses to drop uplinks, either max active or spawn time. Drop uplinks feel very Amarr style. On account of I'm no mathemagician anyone feeling frisky can throw down suitable numbers/stats, rave about the Amarr scouts hopefully bright future, or reject the idea altogether.
I just want to see some General Discussion on Amarr scout possibilities!

Would make sense to see an Uplink Bonus since all uplinks are currently of amarrian make.

Exactly. Also you sir, get a like.

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Lillica Foster XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 0	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:14:00 - [1] - Quote Howdy fellas. This is me throwing around ideas on Amarr scout skill bonuses based on existing scout suits. The first idea is giving an increase to scrambler pistol headshot damage per each level. This is like the damage bonus for nova knives on the min. scout. It makes potent sidearm damage for a weapon resembling the race of the suit. Surely, someone wants to shout "OP! Needs a nerf! just look at shotgunners!" Heres the thing, this damage bonus only affects headshots, which are certainly hard to get with a scrambler pistol when doing the standard scout sidestep and hop. A second nifty idea would be bonuses to drop uplinks, either max active or spawn time. Drop uplinks feel very Amarr style. On account of I'm no mathemagician anyone feeling frisky can throw down suitable numbers/stats, rave about the Amarr scouts hopefully bright future, or reject the idea altogether. I just want to see some General Discussion on Amarr scout possibilities!
Decasor The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 35	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:16:00 - [2] - Quote Lillica Foster wrote: Howdy fellas. This is me throwing around ideas on Amarr scout skill bonuses based on existing scout suits. The first idea is giving an increase to scrambler pistol headshot damage per each level. This is like the damage bonus for nova knives on the min. scout. It makes potent sidearm damage for a weapon resembling the race of the suit. Surely, someone wants to shout "OP! Needs a nerf! just look at shotgunners!" Heres the thing, this damage bonus only affects headshots, which are certainly hard to get with a scrambler pistol when doing the standard scout sidestep and hop. A second nifty idea would be bonuses to drop uplinks, either max active or spawn time. Drop uplinks feel very Amarr style. On account of I'm no mathemagician anyone feeling frisky can throw down suitable numbers/stats, rave about the Amarr scouts hopefully bright future, or reject the idea altogether. I just want to see some General Discussion on Amarr scout possibilities! Active scanner bonus might be interesting. Edit for clarification: I'm thinking range and speed of reuse here rather than signal strength.
Lillica Foster XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 0	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:18:00 - [3] - Quote Active scanner would be pretty nifty, but I feel that plays to the gallente more than the Amarr. Looking at existing Amarr stuff, they're fairly combat oriented. Assault bonus is to their weapons, logi suit is the only with a sidearm, and we have yet to see another heavy frame in the game.
Nix Vulken Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 58	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:19:00 - [4] - Quote would it matter? who uses active scanners? i mean really..?
Lillica Foster XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 0	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:21:00 - [5] - Quote Thats also true. When you light up an area you feel proud, but without rewards its not worth much. Until maps are so large you'd benefit from knowing ahead of time if the area you want to breach is full of hostiles or not, rather than being able to guess there'll be a confrontation anyways, the scanner will not shine.
Decasor The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 35	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:21:00 - [6] - Quote Lillica Foster wrote: Active scanner would be pretty nifty, but I feel that plays to the gallente more than the Amarr. Looking at existing Amarr stuff, they're fairly combat oriented. Assault bonus is to their weapons, logi suit is the only with a sidearm, and we have yet to see another heavy frame in the game. True enough, however as a Gall scout user at present, the whole stealth/scan strength situation at present is far from satisfactory. Maybe CCP needs to consider an extra dedicated equipment slot for scouts, with Gallente getting scanners and Amarr uplinks, as an example.
Decasor The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 35	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:23:00 - [7] - Quote Nix Vulken wrote: would it matter? who uses active scanners? i mean really..? Yeah, I trained in a few levels before realizing it was basically useless for what I wanted it for (and not enough equipment slots). However it looks like the scanner may be getting a new lease of life with some of the tacnet changes, amongst other things.
Starshine Etherium Greywolf Syndicate 26	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:25:00 - [8] - Quote Its not prudent to think of the unreleased Amarr scouts possible bonuses when we don't have all the Amarr tech to work with such as, Amarr shotty variant, sniper variant, general Amarr variants.
Aisha Ctarl The Generals EoN. 874	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:26:00 - [9] - Quote Armor rep bonus like the logi
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1560	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:28:00 - [10] - Quote Amarr scout bonus huh When they overheat an energy weapon it explodes killing them instantly and heavily damaging those around them with the skill bonus increasing damage or radius Yes Im encouraging suicide bombing

Epicsting pro Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 64	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:28:00 - [11] - Quote What about extra armor, armor rep per lvl. Because amarr armor tank and maybe more damage per lvl.
Lillica Foster XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 1	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:30:00 - [12] - Quote Delta, I'm almost having fun imagining this. Make it damage players in LAVs (murder taxis) and I'd accept it. At least then you can hurt them back when you're hit.
Lillica Foster XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 1	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:31:00 - [13] - Quote Epicsting pro wrote: What about extra armor, armor rep per lvl. Because amarr armor tank and maybe more damage per lvl. I'm feeling that an armor tanked scout won't be worth much, if you want to go hard use a heavy. Gallente also have four low slots as is, making them an option for armored scouts.
Lillica Foster XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 1	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:33:00 - [14] - Quote Decasor wrote: Lillica Foster wrote: Active scanner would be pretty nifty, but I feel that plays to the gallente more than the Amarr. Looking at existing Amarr stuff, they're fairly combat oriented. Assault bonus is to their weapons, logi suit is the only with a sidearm, and we have yet to see another heavy frame in the game. True enough, however as a Gall scout user at present, the whole stealth/scan strength situation at present is far from satisfactory. Maybe CCP needs to consider an extra dedicated equipment slot for scouts, with Gallente getting scanners and Amarr uplinks, as an example. This is actually a really good idea. Without extra equipment slots, going hard for uplinks isn't too viable because of their limitations. Perhaps trading some module slots for extra equipment slots on the Amarr scout with a bonus to drop uplink respawn time would be reasonable?
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1560	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:35:00 - [15] - Quote Lillica Foster wrote: Decasor wrote: Lillica Foster wrote: Active scanner would be pretty nifty, but I feel that plays to the gallente more than the Amarr. Looking at existing Amarr stuff, they're fairly combat oriented. Assault bonus is to their weapons, logi suit is the only with a sidearm, and we have yet to see another heavy frame in the game. True enough, however as a Gall scout user at present, the whole stealth/scan strength situation at present is far from satisfactory. Maybe CCP needs to consider an extra dedicated equipment slot for scouts, with Gallente getting scanners and Amarr uplinks, as an example. This is actually a really good idea. Without extra equipment slots, going hard for uplinks isn't too viable because of their limitations. Perhaps trading some module slots for extra equipment slots on the Amarr scout with a bonus to drop uplink respawn time would be reasonable? Chiming in real quick Scouts shouldnt get more equipment slots, thats what logis are for
Lillica Foster XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 1	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:37:00 - [16] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Lillica Foster wrote: Decasor wrote: Lillica Foster wrote: Active scanner would be pretty nifty, but I feel that plays to the gallente more than the Amarr. Looking at existing Amarr stuff, they're fairly combat oriented. Assault bonus is to their weapons, logi suit is the only with a sidearm, and we have yet to see another heavy frame in the game. True enough, however as a Gall scout user at present, the whole stealth/scan strength situation at present is far from satisfactory. Maybe CCP needs to consider an extra dedicated equipment slot for scouts, with Gallente getting scanners and Amarr uplinks, as an example. This is actually a really good idea. Without extra equipment slots, going hard for uplinks isn't too viable because of their limitations. Perhaps trading some module slots for extra equipment slots on the Amarr scout with a bonus to drop uplink respawn time would be reasonable? Chiming in real quick Scouts shouldnt get more equipment slots, thats what logis are for This is true... But not even one extra? What if you went with something similar to a fitting bonus in eve, so the skill reduced pg/cpu requirements of drop uplinks. This way the extra equipment slots can only be used for uplinks without making hefty sacrifices.
Nelo Angel0 The Nommo Insurance Fraud. 154	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:37:00 - [17] - Quote If CCP makes the charge sniper an amarr racial variant. Bonus could look like. 5% decrease to charge time for charge weapons 2% increase DMG to snipers. or tinfoil 10% to headshots xD. If the snipers stay as is. 5% increase to sniper zoom/range (hard choice) 3% to DMG. These IMO would make the most sense. But this IS CCP were talking about
Lillica Foster XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 1	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:41:00 - [18] - Quote Nelo Angel0 wrote: If CCP makes the charge sniper an amarr racial variant. Bonus could look like. 5% decrease to charge time for charge weapons 2% increase DMG to snipers. or tinfoil 10% to headshots xD. If the snipers stay as is. 5% increase to sniper zoom/range (hard choice) 3% to DMG. These IMO would make the most sense. But this IS CCP were talking about Oooh, you make bring up an interesting thought. Charge sniper rifle as a placeholder for Amarr sniper rifle? This intrigues me. The super sniper idea does fit with Amarr's perceived combat focus. Also I like the idea for headshot bonuses, but applied specifically to sniper or pistol. EDIT: but we can't forget that there is already an existing scout role bonus to profile dampening. The skill in question is the Amarr scout racial bonus (min. is nova knife/melee damage, gallente is scan radius)
Beren Hurin The Vanguardians 931	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:54:00 - [19] - Quote I really could see the Amarr scout getting an extra equipment slot, maybe at the expense of grenade or something. I really think the Amarr weapon/suit doctine/meta is oriented around that mid to long range gunplay at >30m. At this range situational awareness and signature detection is very big as your suits won't be picking anything up. So, I believe that scanners are more important with this longer range game play, and therefore perhaps having a scanner fitting bonus for Amarr scouts would make sense. It would sort of also make sense as a sort of bonus if they DID have 2 equipment slots as they would be wasting their racial bonus if they did not fit a scanner, thereby evening out the advantage of 2 equipment slots. Also, there was no laser sniper mentioned in the weapon ranges devblog interestingly, and the fact that the laser is the longest range laser weapon at about 85m is strange. It makes me wonder if there could be a laser rifle variant that can hit at longer ranges, or if the heavy laser will make up for distance holes in the traditionally long range weapon system of lasers.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 989	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:58:00 - [20] - Quote Lillica Foster wrote: Howdy fellas. This is me throwing around ideas on Amarr scout skill bonuses based on existing scout suits. The first idea is giving an increase to scrambler pistol headshot damage per each level. This is like the damage bonus for nova knives on the min. scout. It makes potent sidearm damage for a weapon resembling the race of the suit. Surely, someone wants to shout "OP! Needs a nerf! just look at shotgunners!" Heres the thing, this damage bonus only affects headshots, which are certainly hard to get with a scrambler pistol when doing the standard scout sidestep and hop. A second nifty idea would be bonuses to drop uplinks, either max active or spawn time. Drop uplinks feel very Amarr style. On account of I'm no mathemagician anyone feeling frisky can throw down suitable numbers/stats, rave about the Amarr scouts hopefully bright future, or reject the idea altogether. I just want to see some General Discussion on Amarr scout possibilities! Would make sense to see an Uplink Bonus since all uplinks are currently of amarrian make.

Lillica Foster XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 1	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:59:00 - [21] - Quote Yeah, I agree with you about equipment. The thing is paper-thin scouts won't have much purpose at medium-long range gunplay besides scanning if thats their skill bonus. And speaking the the heavy laser, I think it was said its a scrambler type heavy weapon. Meaning pulse lasers. Meaning I need to spec a heavy suit immediately for when I can use it!
Lillica Foster XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 1	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:59:00 - [22] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Lillica Foster wrote: Howdy fellas. This is me throwing around ideas on Amarr scout skill bonuses based on existing scout suits. The first idea is giving an increase to scrambler pistol headshot damage per each level. This is like the damage bonus for nova knives on the min. scout. It makes potent sidearm damage for a weapon resembling the race of the suit. Surely, someone wants to shout "OP! Needs a nerf! just look at shotgunners!" Heres the thing, this damage bonus only affects headshots, which are certainly hard to get with a scrambler pistol when doing the standard scout sidestep and hop. A second nifty idea would be bonuses to drop uplinks, either max active or spawn time. Drop uplinks feel very Amarr style. On account of I'm no mathemagician anyone feeling frisky can throw down suitable numbers/stats, rave about the Amarr scouts hopefully bright future, or reject the idea altogether. I just want to see some General Discussion on Amarr scout possibilities! Would make sense to see an Uplink Bonus since all uplinks are currently of amarrian make. Exactly. Also you sir, get a like.
Beren Hurin The Vanguardians 932	Posted - 2013.08.04 05:01:00 - [23] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Lillica Foster wrote: Decasor wrote: Lillica Foster wrote: Active scanner would be pretty nifty, but I feel that plays to the gallente more than the Amarr. Looking at existing Amarr stuff, they're fairly combat oriented. Assault bonus is to their weapons, logi suit is the only with a sidearm, and we have yet to see another heavy frame in the game. True enough, however as a Gall scout user at present, the whole stealth/scan strength situation at present is far from satisfactory. Maybe CCP needs to consider an extra dedicated equipment slot for scouts, with Gallente getting scanners and Amarr uplinks, as an example. This is actually a really good idea. Without extra equipment slots, going hard for uplinks isn't too viable because of their limitations. Perhaps trading some module slots for extra equipment slots on the Amarr scout with a bonus to drop uplink respawn time would be reasonable? Chiming in real quick Scouts shouldnt get more equipment slots, thats what logis are for Amarr and Caldari logis have 1 fewer equipment slot as other logis. I could see both of them having scouts with unique/interesting support related bonuses. I could also see a justification from a racial-team aspect that taking an equipment slot and giving it to a scout could be seen somewhat as balanced.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 990	Posted - 2013.08.04 05:01:00 - [24] - Quote [quote=Beren Hurin]I really think the Amarr weapon/suit doctine/meta is oriented around that mid to long range gunplay at >30m. At this range situational awareness and signature detection is very big as your suits won't be picking anything up. [quote] The Amarrian meta as I see it, and have discussed amongst other amarrian players and eve pilots is about being able to dictate the range of an engagement, and at the distance effectively combat the threat.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 990	Posted - 2013.08.04 05:02:00 - [25] - Quote Lillica Foster wrote: True Adamance wrote: Lillica Foster wrote: Howdy fellas. This is me throwing around ideas on Amarr scout skill bonuses based on existing scout suits. The first idea is giving an increase to scrambler pistol headshot damage per each level. This is like the damage bonus for nova knives on the min. scout. It makes potent sidearm damage for a weapon resembling the race of the suit. Surely, someone wants to shout "OP! Needs a nerf! just look at shotgunners!" Heres the thing, this damage bonus only affects headshots, which are certainly hard to get with a scrambler pistol when doing the standard scout sidestep and hop. A second nifty idea would be bonuses to drop uplinks, either max active or spawn time. Drop uplinks feel very Amarr style. On account of I'm no mathemagician anyone feeling frisky can throw down suitable numbers/stats, rave about the Amarr scouts hopefully bright future, or reject the idea altogether. I just want to see some General Discussion on Amarr scout possibilities! Would make sense to see an Uplink Bonus since all uplinks are currently of amarrian make. Exactly. Also you sir, get a like. I am Amarrian to the core, I use uplinks to best represent the amarrian combat doctrine as best I can.
Lillica Foster XERCORE E X T E R M I N A T U S 1	Posted - 2013.08.04 05:05:00 - [26] - Quote [quote=True Adamance][quote=Beren Hurin]I really think the Amarr weapon/suit doctine/meta is oriented around that mid to long range gunplay at >30m. At this range situational awareness and signature detection is very big as your suits won't be picking anything up. Quote: The Amarrian meta as I see it, and have discussed amongst other amarrian players and eve pilots is about being able to dictate the range of an engagement, and at the distance effectively combat the threat. I understand what you mean by this. In both Eve and Dust, especially with the scrambler rifle and pistol, choosing range has been top priority during combat. Keeping this in mind I feel an uplink bonus is another way to dictate range of engagement, by choosing where you spawn in the first place and positioning yourself and your team at an advantage from the get go.


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