DUST Search - I FOUND OUT WHY MD IS OP!!!

Lightning Bolt2 wrote:

I FOUND OUT WHY MD IS OP!!! it's because it deals full splash DMG even at max possible splash range (I heard from another duster that a freedom MD can get a total of 5.5 meter splash) so the best fix (well easiest 4 CCP)is to make it where explosives have 3 splash "ranges"

initial splash, the range it does current

dispersion 30-50% less dmg on splash

"endzone" 75% less dmg than current.

this way the MD (or any explosive) won't deal it's max splash dmg at 5.5 meters. It'll stop assaults Q.Qing on the fourums about the MD, but it'll possibly lead to them saying their grenades are UP.(we all know (except the QQing assaults) that the assaults will hate to need any skill with their grenades) this mechanic should have had been implemented originally so explosives won't be OP, but currently they are. (this could lead to seeing the flaylocks getting their old range back)

btw, I use scouts and Nova Knives.

[EDIT] this might need moved to the bugs section if it was originally designed to have less dmg over the distance.

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Lightning Bolt2 DUST University Ivy League 79	Posted - 2013.08.03 03:56:00 - [1] - Quote I FOUND OUT WHY MD IS OP!!! it's because it deals full splash DMG even at max possible splash range (I heard from another duster that a freedom MD can get a total of 5.5 meter splash) so the best fix (well easiest 4 CCP)is to make it where explosives have 3 splash "ranges" initial splash, the range it does current dispersion 30-50% less dmg on splash "endzone" 75% less dmg than current. this way the MD (or any explosive) won't deal it's max splash dmg at 5.5 meters. It'll stop assaults Q.Qing on the fourums about the MD, but it'll possibly lead to them saying their grenades are UP.(we all know (except the QQing assaults) that the assaults will hate to need any skill with their grenades) this mechanic should have had been implemented originally so explosives won't be OP, but currently they are. (this could lead to seeing the flaylocks getting their old range back) btw, I use scouts and Nova Knives.
Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 58	Posted - 2013.08.03 04:27:00 - [2] - Quote Dude, finding a reason to scream OP after you start screaming is like the epitome of bullshit.
Charlotte O'Dell 0uter.Heaven EoN. 823	Posted - 2013.08.03 04:50:00 - [3] - Quote But the AR has a higher DPS than the mass driver. That AR is more powerful and requires just as little skill to use which is why it is so popular with noobs.
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 321	Posted - 2013.08.03 04:51:00 - [4] - Quote Beeeees wrote: Dude, finding a reason to scream OP after you start screaming is like the epitome of bullshit. That was funny, +1
843 nerfnut96 BurgezzE.T.F 33	Posted - 2013.08.03 05:31:00 - [5] - Quote You guys call MDs OP, they nerf them, people like me are SOL, we say you nerfed them way to much please give us back some damage, they give us a buff back to about half of what they were before, we can kill you again, you get butt hurt, you scrape for a reason to scream OP. Ah the wonderful cycle of trolling people who use weapons other than ARs by people who use ARs.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 900	Posted - 2013.08.03 05:56:00 - [6] - Quote Ugh, the MD is far from OP you turkey. Geez, if CCP listens to these people and nerfs the MD, it will be beyond useless.
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 522	Posted - 2013.08.03 06:14:00 - [7] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: But the AR has a higher DPS than the mass driver. That AR is more powerful and requires just as little skill to use which is why it is so popular with noobs. actually it requires ZERO skill and SP... mitlia BPO, toxin, DREN, recuter AR.... all with 425 dps
Captain Wontubulous Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 69	Posted - 2013.08.03 08:00:00 - [8] - Quote 843 nerfnut96 wrote: You guys call MDs OP, they nerf them, people like me are SOL, we say you nerfed them way to much please give us back some damage, they give us a buff back to about half of what they were before, we can kill you again, you get butt hurt, you scrape for a reason to scream OP. Ah the wonderful cycle of trolling people who use weapons other than ARs by people who use ARs. I'm starting to think we need to seperate the forums in this manner. AR users get one forum that the devs can ignore completely and everyone else gets to post on the real forum. The skilled players seem to gravitate to weapons that do some great killing in skilled hands. The AR users then try these weapons (or just scream OP) and end up killing themselves or not being able to do anything with them (and still scream OP). We call this the great circle of DUST.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1041	Posted - 2013.08.03 09:23:00 - [9] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: But the AR has a higher DPS than the mass driver. That AR is more powerful and requires just as little skill to use which is why it is so popular with noobs. actually it requires ZERO skill and SP... mitlia BPO, toxin, DREN, recuter AR.... all with 425 dps all of which can kill a heavy a speced out heavy in 2.3 seconds or less and a scout in .70 seconds or less MD never was OP, isnt OP and never will be OP. ARs are OP stop using math and logic, your making to much sense
KingBlade82 The Phoenix Federation 152	Posted - 2013.08.03 09:24:00 - [10] - Quote Like I said before it is too powerful and the ones who say it isn't have never used a shotgun it might not have range of AR and ScR but those guns take more skill (ur a dumbass if u think different) but the shotgun should kill if u get in close vs mass driver but it doesn't I always seem to destroy them on my logi with no effort the balance is not there yet

ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 204	Posted - 2013.08.03 10:12:00 - [11] - Quote Yea this idea would really be a good thing. I hate MD and other explosives but giving them a buff after implementing this wouldn't really bug me all that much. Hell I would be completely fine with the flay lock going back to pre 1.3 stats(either way I feel the direct damage nerf was a bit much as it can be really hard to pull off a direct hit). +1 as this truly should've been in-game already. `Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST .
xSir Campsalotx D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 64	Posted - 2013.08.03 10:53:00 - [12] - Quote im a heavy and MDs mess me up but i dont think theyre overpowered, if my shields are up it wont hurt me but thats why md users usually run fluxes. I just think the extra armor damage explosives do is insane across the board. They might have to big of a splash though.
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. League of Infamy 403	Posted - 2013.08.03 11:01:00 - [13] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: But the AR has a higher DPS than the mass driver. That AR is more powerful and requires just as little skill to use which is why it is so popular with noobs. actually it requires ZERO skill and SP... mitlia BPO, toxin, DREN, recuter AR.... all with 425 dps all of which can kill a heavy a speced out heavy in 2.3 seconds or less and a scout in .70 seconds or less MD never was OP, isnt OP and never will be OP. ARs are OP Yum! /Sips on a big cup of D legendary hero's tears. keep bringing that QQ bud. I thought I already got this explained to you in our last forum duel but clearly not. It isn't that the AR is OP it is that your HMG is UP. BTW I like the idea of splash damage being reduced over distance (since this is as it should be). Perhaps if they did this the MD could get its original blast radius back (over 10m for the proto assault MD if I remember correctly). I miss those good old days.
Cosgar ParagonX 3851	Posted - 2013.08.03 11:01:00 - [14] - Quote You know if this gets implemented, the MD would need a damage buff to compensate, right?
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. League of Infamy 403	Posted - 2013.08.03 11:01:00 - [15] - Quote Cosgar wrote: You know if this gets implemented, the MD would need a damage buff to compensate, right? or a blast radius buff
Rich o United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 55	Posted - 2013.08.03 11:42:00 - [16] - Quote Lightning Bolt2 wrote: initial splash, the range it does current dispersion 30-50% less dmg on splash "endzone" 75% less dmg than current. to me this does not make any nense at all. why should explosive projectiles have a shorter blast radius the further they travel? if they explode it does not matter where they land as it is the projectile causing the splash damage. it may bring some balancing, but to me it sounds ridiculous. KingBlade82 wrote: Like I said before it is too powerful and the ones who say it isn't have never used a shotgun it might not have range of AR and ScR but those guns take more skill (ur a dumbass if u think different) but the shotgun should kill if u get in close vs mass driver but it doesn't I always seem to destroy them on my logi with no effort the balance is not there yet wow, that's confusing me. i use the shotgun, md and the ar. according to you i'm a dumbass with no skill who still has skill but only when using the ar? man, that's pretty pathetic. i'm no md-master, but the ar is by far easier to use. shotguns are broken right now because the hidt-detection is messed up. they should win within their effective range, if you manage to land some hits. if the shotgunner is a scout chances are hight that they get down with 1-3 md-hits so it's not only the wespon of choice but also the suit you are in that has to be taken into account
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. League of Infamy 404	Posted - 2013.08.03 11:49:00 - [17] - Quote You are misunderstanding Rich o. He is saying that the farther you are from the center of the blast the less damage the explosion should do.
Rich o United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 55	Posted - 2013.08.03 11:58:00 - [18] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: You are misunderstanding Rich o. He is saying that the farther you are from the center of the blast the less damage the explosion should do. ooooops - thanks for the clarification man. then i agree with the OP
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 49	Posted - 2013.08.03 15:24:00 - [19] - Quote Lol mass driver op? Ha funny. I'm tired of posting the same thing over and over. The mass driver is one of the few weapons that have these draw backs. It can take out it's user if used incorrectly (not the ar). You have to dry fire meaning one of the six shots will miss if it's for mid range because that one shot I used to see if you shot to far out or to far away. (Mainly for those who are still trying to understand how the arc works. Ars are just point and click) it its cqc you also have to be worried on where you place your shots because it can and will deplete some of your health (the ar users don't have to worry about that.) It has almost no ammo. Slow rof and did I mention the arc takes Time to get used to. Also has a slow reload, you have be aware of the following: Elevation: its harder if you're lower than the enemy. So just because of your position you can be at a major disadvantage. Surrounding: while you're shooting and moving behind cover you have to be careful not to miss fire into the wall. Or that team mates run ahead of your shooting area which will make you kill yourself Ammo: you barely have any ammo. So you usually have to rely on not only your own nano hive but team as well. Hmm not so OP.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1435	Posted - 2013.08.03 15:27:00 - [20] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: But the AR has a higher DPS than the mass driver. That AR is more powerful and requires just as little skill to use which is why it is so popular with noobs. Actually, the AR requires considerably less player skill to use.

low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 247	Posted - 2013.08.03 17:53:00 - [21] - Quote Lightning Bolt2 wrote: I FOUND OUT WHY MD IS OP!!! it's because it deals full splash DMG even at max possible splash range (I heard from another duster that a freedom MD can get a total of 5.5 meter splash) so the best fix (well easiest 4 CCP)is to make it where explosives have 3 splash "ranges" initial splash, the range it does current dispersion 30-50% less dmg on splash "endzone" 75% less dmg than current. this way the MD (or any explosive) won't deal it's max splash dmg at 5.5 meters. It'll stop assaults Q.Qing on the fourums about the MD, but it'll possibly lead to them saying their grenades are UP.(we all know (except the QQing assaults) that the assaults will hate to need any skill with their grenades) this mechanic should have had been implemented originally so explosives won't be OP, but currently they are. (this could lead to seeing the flaylocks getting their old range back) btw, I use scouts and Nova Knives. [EDIT] this might need moved to the bugs section if it was originally designed to have less dmg over the distance. taking advice from dust uni (or eve uni for that matter) would be a stupid move on ccp's part.
Sgt Buttscratch G I A N T EoN. 580	Posted - 2013.08.03 19:39:00 - [22] - Quote The problem aint the gun, its how absolute trash any form of armor is, and how big the bonus' are to explosives. Meanwhile only a flux can hold a candlelight to explosive damage multipliers. Another reason right now, is all these "don't want to aim" nuggets just got their little toy broken, and they want explosions.
FLAYLOCK Steve Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 53	Posted - 2013.08.03 19:43:00 - [23] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: The problem aint the gun, its how absolute trash any form of armor is, and how big the bonus' are to explosives. Meanwhile only a flux can hold a candlelight to explosive damage multipliers. Another reason right now, is all these "don't want to aim" nuggets just got their little toy broken, and they want explosions. The mass driver is harder to use than the assault rifle so that last statement is invalid. Its okay I'll chase you with my nova knives so you can cry op when I kill you.
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 546	Posted - 2013.08.03 23:32:00 - [24] - Quote 843 nerfnut96 wrote: You guys call MDs OP, they nerf them, people like me are SOL, we say you nerfed them way to much please give us back some damage, they give us a buff back to about half of what they were before, we can kill you again, you get butt hurt, you scrape for a reason to scream OP. Ah the wonderful cycle of trolling people who use weapons other than ARs by people who use ARs. they can nerf the MD as much as they want and still lose, because you can't nerf skill (MD require SKILL) AR noobs always lose
D legendary hero THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND 546	Posted - 2013.08.03 23:36:00 - [25] - Quote KingBlade82 wrote: Like I said before it is too powerful and the ones who say it isn't have never used a shotgun it might not have range of AR and ScR but those guns take more skill (ur a dumbass if u think different) but the shotgun should kill if u get in close vs mass driver but it doesn't I always seem to destroy them on my logi with no effort the balance is not there yet if you can read, you would know that the MD is an area denial weapon. its meant to stop people from getting close. if you charge a MD with a shotgun, you desver to get butt raped. period
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 54	Posted - 2013.08.04 00:58:00 - [26] - Quote md needs its rof lowered.. just a little... and more ammo it needs that too...
Cat Merc BetaMax. 3807	Posted - 2013.08.04 01:06:00 - [27] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: But the AR has a higher DPS than the mass driver. That AR is more powerful and requires just as little skill to use which is why it is so popular with noobs. DPS isn't everything. Sniper rifles have around 150 DPS. Forge guns even less.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1437	Posted - 2013.08.04 01:54:00 - [28] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: But the AR has a higher DPS than the mass driver. That AR is more powerful and requires just as little skill to use which is why it is so popular with noobs. DPS isn't everything. Sniper rifles have around 150 DPS. Forge guns even less. Yes. Even more reason to bring the AR into some level of reasonable performance. It's clearly superior to far too many weapons in far too many instances.
Sgt Buttscratch G I A N T EoN. 581	Posted - 2013.08.04 03:04:00 - [29] - Quote FLAYLOCK Steve wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: The problem aint the gun, its how absolute trash any form of armor is, and how big the bonus' are to explosives. Meanwhile only a flux can hold a candlelight to explosive damage multipliers. Another reason right now, is all these "don't want to aim" nuggets just got their little toy broken, and they want explosions. The mass driver is harder to use than the assault rifle so that last statement is invalid. Its okay I'll chase you with my nova knives so you can cry op when I kill you. Oh the harder to use arguement....where have I heard that. The fact that you just hav to hit within X amount of meters removes that arguement. I have been using one on my lil logi chick, aint all that harder, just different. Cry op? I started my blarb with "The problem aint the game"... As for the Nova knives, I have no problem with them, If someone sneaks in that close, then pulls butter knives out, they deserve the kill.
Defy Gravity Silver Talon Corporation 62	Posted - 2013.08.04 03:10:00 - [30] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: But the AR has a higher DPS than the mass driver. That AR is more powerful and requires just as little skill to use which is why it is so popular with noobs. actually it requires ZERO skill and SP... mitlia BPO, toxin, DREN, recuter AR.... all with 425 dps all of which can kill a heavy a speced out heavy in 2.3 seconds or less and a scout in .70 seconds or less MD never was OP, isnt OP and never will be OP. ARs are OP 2.3 Seconds??? are you mad? Your average dedicated AR will only hit 70% of his shots. Your talking about if the heavy is standing still and you get ALL headshots. Your statistics are wrong pal.



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