Dude, finding a reason to scream OP after you start screaming is like the epitome of bullshit.

But the AR has a higher DPS than the mass driver. That AR is more powerful and requires just as little skill to use which is why it is so popular with noobs.

You guys call MDs OP, they nerf them, people like me are SOL, we say you nerfed them way to much please give us back some damage, they give us a buff back to about half of what they were before, we can kill you again, you get butt hurt, you scrape for a reason to scream OP.

Ah the wonderful cycle of trolling people who use weapons other than ARs by people who use ARs.

actually it requires ZERO skill and SP... mitlia BPO, toxin, DREN, recuter AR....

all with 425 dps

all of which can kill a heavy a speced out heavy in 2.3 seconds or less and a scout in .70 seconds or less


MD never was OP, isnt OP and never will be OP. ARs are OP

actually it requires ZERO skill and SP... mitlia BPO, toxin, DREN, recuter AR....

all with 425 dps

all of which can kill a heavy a speced out heavy in 2.3 seconds or less and a scout in .70 seconds or less


MD never was OP, isnt OP and never will be OP. ARs are OP

You know if this gets implemented, the MD would need a damage buff to compensate, right?

Like I said before it is too powerful and the ones who say it isn't have never used a shotgun

it might not have range of AR and ScR but those guns take more skill (ur a dumbass if u think different)

but the shotgun should kill if u get in close vs mass driver but it doesn't I always seem to destroy them on my logi with no effort

the balance is not there yet

You are misunderstanding Rich o. He is saying that the farther you are from the center of the blast the less damage the explosion should do.

But the AR has a higher DPS than the mass driver. That AR is more powerful and requires just as little skill to use which is why it is so popular with noobs.

I FOUND OUT WHY MD IS OP!!! it's because it deals full splash DMG even at max possible splash range (I heard from another duster that a freedom MD can get a total of 5.5 meter splash) so the best fix (well easiest 4 CCP)is to make it where explosives have 3 splash "ranges"

1. initial splash, the range it does current


2. dispersion 30-50% less dmg on splash


3. "endzone" 75% less dmg than current.

this way the MD (or any explosive) won't deal it's max splash dmg at 5.5 meters. It'll stop assaults Q.Qing on the fourums about the MD, but it'll possibly lead to them saying their grenades are UP.(we all know (except the QQing assaults) that the assaults will hate to need any skill with their grenades) this mechanic should have had been implemented originally so explosives won't be OP, but currently they are. (this could lead to seeing the flaylocks getting their old range back)

btw, I use scouts and Nova Knives.

[EDIT] this might need moved to the bugs section if it was originally designed to have less dmg over the distance.

The problem aint the gun, its how absolute trash any form of armor is, and how big the bonus' are to explosives.
Meanwhile only a flux can hold a candlelight to explosive damage multipliers.

Another reason right now, is all these "don't want to aim" nuggets just got their little toy broken, and they want explosions.

You guys call MDs OP, they nerf them, people like me are SOL, we say you nerfed them way to much please give us back some damage, they give us a buff back to about half of what they were before, we can kill you again, you get butt hurt, you scrape for a reason to scream OP.

Ah the wonderful cycle of trolling people who use weapons other than ARs by people who use ARs.

Like I said before it is too powerful and the ones who say it isn't have never used a shotgun

it might not have range of AR and ScR but those guns take more skill (ur a dumbass if u think different)

but the shotgun should kill if u get in close vs mass driver but it doesn't I always seem to destroy them on my logi with no effort

the balance is not there yet

But the AR has a higher DPS than the mass driver. That AR is more powerful and requires just as little skill to use which is why it is so popular with noobs.

DPS isn't everything.
Sniper rifles have around 150 DPS.
Forge guns even less.

The mass driver is harder to use than the assault rifle so that last statement is invalid. Its okay I'll chase you with my nova knives so you can cry op when I kill you.

actually it requires ZERO skill and SP... mitlia BPO, toxin, DREN, recuter AR....

all with 425 dps

all of which can kill a heavy a speced out heavy in 2.3 seconds or less and a scout in .70 seconds or less


MD never was OP, isnt OP and never will be OP. ARs are OP

The mass driver is harder to use than the assault rifle so that last statement is invalid. Its okay I'll chase you with my nova knives so you can cry op when I kill you.

For this weapon your proposed stats make no sense. The mass driver, from what I see fires a grenade, grenades don't lose damage over distance, they reach whatever destination packed wih same amount of explosives.

please. do not nerf the MD. It's my new satisfying knife kill of the month. aka the FKKOTM.

Already the shotty, the heavy, the duc tac caldari logi.. the caldari logi. the flaylocker.


all have fallen to the nerf I used to champion as an awesome badass muthfukn knife kill.

it's just getting too damn easy. even in my ADV minja scout.

please. preserve the MD as the last bastion of something challenging to kill.

Actually, the AR requires considerably less player skill to use.

or a blast radius buff

Yum!

/Sips on a big cup of D legendary hero's tears.

keep bringing that QQ bud. I thought I already got this explained to you in our last forum duel but clearly not. It isn't that the AR is OP it is that your HMG is UP.

BTW I like the idea of splash damage being reduced over distance (since this is as it should be). Perhaps if they did this the MD could get its original blast radius back (over 10m for the proto assault MD if I remember correctly). I miss those good old days.

Dude, finding a reason to scream OP after you start screaming is like the epitome of bullshit.

But the AR has a higher DPS than the mass driver. That AR is more powerful and requires just as little skill to use which is why it is so popular with noobs.

true, but max damage at the edge of a 5.5 meter splash is bullshit no matter how you look at it.

Pretty sure there's nothing to worry about. Even with a bunch of people spamming MDs, I've yet to see someone going overboard with 30+ kills a match. Most I ever got was 23, but that was in a kill box situation- working as intended.

Thought this thread was about MDs, why are you guys not making a AR thread

Too bad this game is mainly pubmatches

Although MD is in the title I think the overall subject is explosives in general.
Reducing explosive damage the farther you are from the impact for ALL EXPLOSIVES isn't really a bad idea IMO. As for AR, I use SMG primarily and get killed by MD, Shotguns, and vehicles far more often then I do by AR. TBH I feel AR and HMG users are the only chance I get to rack up any kills.

Someone suggested that the blast range on the MD gets buffed if this gets implemented and TBH I actually don't mind if that happens as it would help with it's area of denial which is it's MO.

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`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST .

******* leave the MD alone. It is finally well balanced, and it took around a ******* year to get there.

Yes, I tend to agree with you. I encountered some good MD-users where I maked sure to avoid them since chromosome...nowadays you see more MD spammers that run up close and rely on splash-damage to get a kill, not so much for area denial.

Yes, I tend to agree with you. I encountered some good MD-users where I maked sure to avoid them since chromosome...nowadays you see more MD spammers that run up close and rely on splash-damage to get a kill, not so much for area denial.

actually it requires ZERO skill and SP... mitlia BPO, toxin, DREN, recuter AR....

all with 425 dps

all of which can kill a heavy a speced out heavy in 2.3 seconds or less and a scout in .70 seconds or less


MD never was OP, isnt OP and never will be OP. ARs are OP

Yes, the only difference is you have to aim with a AR. Such a unskillful weapon, having to aim directly at your target to hit it. CCP fix.

Is this still really going on? LOL Pathetic let me guess. CCP will nerf the MD AGAIN and make it UNUSEABLE AGAIN. It will be GÇ£fixedGÇ¥ AGAIN but worse than it is NOW than people WILL STILL CRY and call OP just because it CAN KILL YOU. WhatGÇÖs next? Nova Knifers beware you will be next on the fail CCP nerf train. This is really annoying me so much, everyone crying about OP just because they get killed by a weapon. ItGÇÖs pathetic as hell, leave the weapons the way they are. The way I see it is that people want to make to every other weapon less effective then there weapon. And at this rate everything that kills somebody will get nerfed. Nova knife, Mele, IGÇÖve even read that milita AV gear is GÇ£OPGÇ¥. Seriously leave the fking game alone. Quit acting like kids just because you got out smarted, and I swear if people say GÇ£it isnGÇÖt fairGÇ¥ they are so fking dumb. Is it fair when a tank spawns in a ambush full of people who didnGÇÖt have their AV suit on? No, is it OP no. Is it OP when people set uplinks above roofs? No, is it OP no, itGÇÖs called tactics. Is it fair when a scout suit gets killed by just about anything in the game and really have nothing to show for it? No, is it UP yea lol. So really quit crying, itGÇÖs pathetic. Most of the time when I use my Mass Driver people run in the same spot. IGÇÖve also been owned by Mass Drivers but mainly because insteads of moving in one direction I basically dance in the same spot when in fact I HAD TIME to GTFO. But ofcoruse you want the game fair right? Than make every gun have the range the AR, make every gun have the same skill requirements of a AR. Make every gun have the same ammo count of a AR. Maybe just maybe people wonGÇÖt cry OP. Seriously HTFU quit acting like bytches just because a gun did better in that given situation. People act like their ArGÇÖs are shotguns and they rush in like dumbazzes lol pretty sad. But eh I guess I'm OP because you think you have the right to call me OP. But IMO, the AR still holds a far greater advantage than the MD. I own a AR at lvl 4, I own these weapons as followed:
Assault Rifle level 4
Mass Driver level 3
Forge Gun level 4
Heavy Machine Gun level 4
Nova Knife level 2
Scrambler Rifle level 1
And everything else is from the elite pack, so you canGÇÖt say one gun is OP and expect me to keep quite because I use most of the common guns in Dust. I know them; I know theyGÇÖre advantages and disadvantages. Seriously, with mass driver you have to be more alert. You have to think about several things such as: Elevation, surroundings, range and positioning of the ARC. It isnGÇÖt a straight shot gun like the AR. I donGÇÖt care what these people say; they think itGÇÖs easier to use a Mass Driver than a Assault rifle? Pff, most of them are trolls who say that. Anyway no matter what people will bytch and CPP fail devs will go for it. Im tired of it and IGÇÖm not gonna spend anymore money on this game just because itGÇÖs pointless using anything that is not a Assault Rifle. Shyt itGÇÖs even more pointless to spec into anything other than the Assault Rifle. Why? Because everything is GÇ£OPGÇ¥, if it kills you and itGÇÖs not an Assault rifle itGÇÖs obviously OP according to half of this fail community filled with useless dumbfks. And I was going to buy a other elite pack but honestly IGÇÖm having my doubts about this game and the community itself. Anyway let the troll begin I guess?

Thought this thread was about MDs, why are you guys not making a AR thread