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Jason Pearson
Seraphim Auxiliaries
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Posted - 2013.08.02 00:28:00 -
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EVE/DUST: Bridging two games through PvE
As we all know, DUST and EVE really don't have that much of a connection, CCP can say it til they're blue in the face but nobody cares, it doesn't affect us, but there is a little bit of a connection and CCP are taking it slow and steadily, which makes sense, it's perfectly reasonable.
There's been some posts on PvE and some are brilliant idea, take Yagihige's post for example.
Yagihige wrote: I mentioned an idea i had in local chat and people seemed to like it so i'm wondering if there's more people that would support it.
First of all, i have to say that i never played EVE, so excuse me if i get some things wrong.
Now, most of us will be aware that Drone co-op is coming sometime in the future. CCP discussed it at Fanfest and showed the design for the drones and the drone installations from where they spawn. They also mentioned how it could be that districts in Planetary Conquest would randomly become infected so your Dust corp involved in PC would have a bit of cleaning up to do on the districts they owned which also would give people more things to do with their districts.
My idea was that the Drone co-op would be a perfect opportunity to get the Dust/EVE link a much needed overhaul. If these infestations that were hinted by CCP to happen in PC districts were to also happen in planets controlled by EVE corporations, it would open an intersting way to get EVE pilots invested in contracting Dust soldiers to work for them.
The system would be setup like this: - Districts have to be in place not only in the current planets but on nullsec planets too. - Ground drone infestations would occur randomly on any (temperate for now) planet containing districts. - Drone infestations in districts where Instant Battles take place would be available to all, designed for single players. - Drone infestations in FW districts would be available to squads made prior to entering battle. - Drone infestations in planets owned by EVE corps would temporarily affect negatively the benefits said corps get from owning that planet. They'd have two options: wait it out or contract mercenaries to clean up the infestation.
There would be a lot of specifics to iron out but this could open up some new interactions between both games. There could be EVE corps that would fully work side by side with the mercenaries they contract (i'd hope them to be able to contract specific players) or just open a contract that would appear in Dust for random players to fill and initiate. EVE corps would pay a sum of money to initiate a contract and a major part of that amount would act as a sink with only a fraction ending up getting to Dust players. For example, EVE corp pays 100M ISK, Dust mercs share 1M ISK of loot for the contract.
So, that's my idea. Suggestions are appreciated.
Overall the suggestion is solid, and I'd truly like to build on it, remember click the link above and give the man a +1 for a great idea.
So anyways, onto building the idea, Drones can be the proper tether to EVE side, giving us the ability to use it in building a bridge for DUST and EVE, it needs to start slow and needs to benefit both sides, provides an income for DUST Players and also creates an ISK "Sink" for both sides.
So Drone Infestation would involve High Sec, Low Sec and Null Sec, I don't know too much about the security statuses as I'm not an EVE Player, but High is where we pubstomp and where the Empires are, Low is where FW is and our little empires are and Null Sec is where the big boy EVE Alliances are.
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High Sec As High Sec is the home of our Pub PVP battles, it makes sense to start PvE there. These battles are constantly generated, being automatically "scanned" by the various groups that inhabit High Sec (NPCs), this means that if you ever want to que up for a Coop PVE fight, it doesn't mean you have to sit around.
Low Sec In Low Sec, the only thing I'm looking at is Molden Heath as I don't know enough about it EVE side. In Molden Heath, District Owners are able to scan their district whenever they want, this will notify them that the district is clear or has hostile Drones on it. An EVE Player can also scan planets and it will notify the CEO/Directors automatically that the district has been scanned and Drones are detected.
Fighting them is simple, you would have to use your clones to kill the Drones but as a result would get higher payments than a public PvE battle as well as better salvage. You'd set a time for the attack and the battle would appear in the Corporation Battle tab similar to if attacking a player district.
Null Sec As Null Sec isn't accessible to DUST Mercs at this moment in time, EVE Players can scan their planets to find a drone hive, if there is one, they have two options, Public or Private battle. If they don't really care, they select public and pay the fee required, this would mirror the Public battles and would give the same payout, but better salvage. You would randomly join the battle like a pub match.
If however, they wish to hire privately, they put in their ISK payment(CCP would need to work out numbers here, as to not destroy economy) into the box, so if they want to pay 1,000,000 ISK, they just put that number in, then they type in the name of the Corporation they want to receive the Contract, this creates a new way of working with DUST Corporations to ensure their planets stay drone free.
The payment is then paid directly into the Corporation's Coffers, players receive their salvage, this means CEOs will pay out to the guys who've fought in the battle. (It can always be split otherwise, just throwing ideas out there)
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Jason Pearson
Seraphim Auxiliaries
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Posted - 2013.08.02 00:28:00 -
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Now, theres a question, why bother fighting? Well I believe Drones should slowly destroy a district/planets income, along with this I also believe that Infestation should spread across the planet, and then across to other planets, system by system. Left undestroyed they would ravage systems and players would need to stop them.
What happens when they are on a district?
Well, when an Infestation appears, it's a basic level Installation, not hard to destroy, but over time it will grow, I would visually show this through an Infestation percentage, the higher the percentage, the higher the difficulty of the infestation.
Level I - 1%-20% Level II - 21%-40% Level III - 41%-60% Level IV - 61%-80% Level V - 81%-100%
So, if a district is left alone, the infestation will increase, raising its difficulty level. There will be more drones and they will be harder to kill.
Not only this, the higher the percentage, the more they take away resources, let's use clones as a current example with the idea that each percentage of infestation will take away the same percentage of clone production.
Your district has a level 3 Infestation, the scan shows it's infested 65% of your district, you usually produce 80 clones, now you produce 28 clones. Make sense? So obviously the key here is to kill the drones because that's cutting into your income, massively.
Similar thing for EVE Players, their resources will begin to get ravaged by Drones and would need to be fixed.
How does Infestation happen?
Infestation will occur randomly, it won't happen repeatedly on your districts unless a nearby district is a "hive" district, so once you've cleared it out once, it will be a little bit till they come back.
Now I mentioned "Hive" Districts, these are districts that have 100% infestation, this concept comes to me from Slay, I'm sure many of you have played it (If you haven't, check out the DUST 514 space on Playstation Home, you're able to play Slay there), whilst battling your enemies for territory, Terrorists will spring up and begin spreading across your hexes, this then makes it so the hex, whilst still yours, does not give out any income for that turn.
You must move your units on to the hexes to take them back, but this can be a pain especially when trying to maintain defense of your borders. Left alone, these terrorists spread until it reaches a point where it's dominated not only your territory but others as well.
Back to DUST, if you leave your territory to be overrun by the Drones (Or you're really bad at killing drones..) then once they've reached 100% they'll begin to start attacking other districts, starting the process on the districts on your planet. This will begin to spiral out of control because if they do manage to build hives on every single district, they'll begin to spread to the next planet, then the next system and then sure enough you've got an epidemic.
Now, whilst the bad thing is you make no money, and can't regenerate clones from attacks, it's possible that if you defend your hive valliantly, these drones can attack other districts, and begin to stop other districts production, meaning not only have you screwed yourself over, but you've helped screw over everyone else. I love this Universe.
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This idea adds PvE for public matches, adds it to Districts, allowing more fun and strategy to take place but also helps connect us to EVE just a little bit more. I know this was a long read but thanks if you did read it, and again +1 Yagihige's post, and then +1 more of his posts, Thanks! |
sly Bandit
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.08.02 00:39:00 -
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Instead of instant public matches make them so they appear in the mercenary tab. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Auxiliaries
2337
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Posted - 2013.08.02 00:41:00 -
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sly Bandit wrote:Instead of instant public matches make them so they appear in the mercenary tab.
Which ones, the high sec or the Null Sec ones? Null Sec ones would make sense, but High Sec ones should just be a mode called Drone Infestation or whatever. |
EternalRMG
ZionTCD
508
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Posted - 2013.08.02 00:43:00 -
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Make Null Sec infestation Spread faster. Also make so, that as a corporation if you Manage to win a Fight in a Hive (lvl V infestation) you win lets say 100 Drones, that you can send to any other planet to infest (enemy planets for example) thus making people actually have districts full of drones just for this. Other wise, big corps would just attack the district as soon as they spot drones |
sly Bandit
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
18
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Posted - 2013.08.02 00:44:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:sly Bandit wrote:Instead of instant public matches make them so they appear in the mercenary tab. Which ones, the high sec or the Null Sec ones? Null Sec ones would make sense, but High Sec ones should just be a mode called Drone Infestation or whatever.
The null sec ones should be in the merc tab. |
EternalRMG
ZionTCD
508
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Posted - 2013.08.02 00:46:00 -
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sly Bandit wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:sly Bandit wrote:Instead of instant public matches make them so they appear in the mercenary tab. Which ones, the high sec or the Null Sec ones? Null Sec ones would make sense, but High Sec ones should just be a mode called Drone Infestation or whatever. The null sec ones should be in the merc tab.
low sec ones.
leave Null secc for PC Planets |
EternalRMG
ZionTCD
508
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Posted - 2013.08.02 00:50:00 -
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High Sec: Weak Drones, Pub Matches Low Sec: Medium Drone, FW Null Sec: All kinds, Fast Spread, Fast level up, PC |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Auxiliaries
2337
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Posted - 2013.08.02 00:56:00 -
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EternalRMG wrote:Make Null Sec infestation Spread faster. Also make so, that as a corporation if you Manage to win a Fight in a Hive (lvl V infestation) you win lets say 100 Drones, that you can send to any other planet to infest (enemy planets for example) thus making people actually have districts full of drones just for this. Other wise, big corps would just attack the district as soon as they spot drones
Well it's to be expected, but you would have to scan your districts, not paying attention or not assigning someone to do it would be your downfall. Sucking at killing drones again, would be your downfall :P Rogue Drones kill all the things, they're not going to attack other places for you, but like I said, maintaining a Level V infestation on your district, these would automatically attack other districts anyways.
btw, inb4DroneRPerscreateacorp.
sly Bandit wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:sly Bandit wrote:Instead of instant public matches make them so they appear in the mercenary tab. Which ones, the high sec or the Null Sec ones? Null Sec ones would make sense, but High Sec ones should just be a mode called Drone Infestation or whatever. The null sec ones should be in the merc tab.
Makes sense
EternalRMG wrote:High Sec: Weak Drones, Pub Matches Low Sec: Medium Drone, FW Null Sec: All kinds, Fast Spread, Fast level up, PC
High Sec by default would be level 1/2 Drones Hives, nothing higher than that. Low Sec is where our PC is aswell as FW Null Sec is where hardcore EVE players are.
Low Sec and Null Sec should have the same level of infestation, Null Sec generates more ISK for EVE Players so even at the same rate, they take a bigger hit. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Auxiliaries
2337
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Posted - 2013.08.02 01:04:00 -
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Edited OP, included some things. |
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low genius
the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance
241
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Posted - 2013.08.02 01:28:00 -
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i am an eve player, and while i think you're right, that pve would increase the depth of the game...
i think that it's eve carebears in the cpm right now holding the game back.
vote pirate in the next (first) cpm election. |
Arx Ardashir
Imperium Aeternum
163
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Posted - 2013.08.02 02:08:00 -
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I like this idea, it's basically incursions for DUST.
I would add, however, that the infestation percentage is also the chance for rogue drones to show up in any match in the district, so if you've got a rather high level infestation, there's a good chance that rogue drones will show up and agress both sides. This will open up another cost/benefit aspect on whether or not to quell an infestation or to let it linger. |
Terry Webber
Turalyon 514
290
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Posted - 2013.08.02 02:22:00 -
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A very well thought out thread, Jason. +1 |
sly Bandit
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
18
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Posted - 2013.08.02 02:59:00 -
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Arx Ardashir wrote:I like this idea, it's basically incursions for DUST.
I would add, however, that the infestation percentage is also the chance for rogue drones to show up in any match in the district, so if you've got a rather high level infestation, there's a good chance that rogue drones will show up and agress both sides. This will open up another cost/benefit aspect on whether or not to quell an infestation or to let it linger.
Hehe... Running around randomly when suddenly! Drones fall out of the sky and start killing everyone.. |
Starscream 12
Demon's Forge
0
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Posted - 2013.08.02 03:27:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:EVE/DUST: Bridging two games through PvE As we all know, DUST and EVE really don't have that much of a connection, CCP can say it til they're blue in the face but nobody cares, it doesn't affect us, but there is a little bit of a connection and CCP are taking it slow and steadily, which makes sense, it's perfectly reasonable. There's been some posts on PvE and some are brilliant idea, take Yagihige's post for example. Yagihige wrote: I mentioned an idea i had in local chat and people seemed to like it so i'm wondering if there's more people that would support it.
First of all, i have to say that i never played EVE, so excuse me if i get some things wrong.
Now, most of us will be aware that Drone co-op is coming sometime in the future. CCP discussed it at Fanfest and showed the design for the drones and the drone installations from where they spawn. They also mentioned how it could be that districts in Planetary Conquest would randomly become infected so your Dust corp involved in PC would have a bit of cleaning up to do on the districts they owned which also would give people more things to do with their districts.
My idea was that the Drone co-op would be a perfect opportunity to get the Dust/EVE link a much needed overhaul. If these infestations that were hinted by CCP to happen in PC districts were to also happen in planets controlled by EVE corporations, it would open an intersting way to get EVE pilots invested in contracting Dust soldiers to work for them.
The system would be setup like this: - Districts have to be in place not only in the current planets but on nullsec planets too. - Ground drone infestations would occur randomly on any (temperate for now) planet containing districts. - Drone infestations in districts where Instant Battles take place would be available to all, designed for single players. - Drone infestations in FW districts would be available to squads made prior to entering battle. - Drone infestations in planets owned by EVE corps would temporarily affect negatively the benefits said corps get from owning that planet. They'd have two options: wait it out or contract mercenaries to clean up the infestation.
There would be a lot of specifics to iron out but this could open up some new interactions between both games. There could be EVE corps that would fully work side by side with the mercenaries they contract (i'd hope them to be able to contract specific players) or just open a contract that would appear in Dust for random players to fill and initiate. EVE corps would pay a sum of money to initiate a contract and a major part of that amount would act as a sink with only a fraction ending up getting to Dust players. For example, EVE corp pays 100M ISK, Dust mercs share 1M ISK of loot for the contract.
So, that's my idea. Suggestions are appreciated.
Overall the suggestion is solid, and I'd truly like to build on it, remember click the link above and give the man a +1 for a great idea. So anyways, onto building the idea, Drones can be the proper tether to EVE side, giving us the ability to use it in building a bridge for DUST and EVE, it needs to start slow and needs to benefit both sides, provides an income for DUST Players and also creates an ISK "Sink" for both sides. So Drone Infestation would involve High Sec, Low Sec and Null Sec, I don't know too much about the security statuses as I'm not an EVE Player, but High is where we pubstomp and where the Empires are, Low is where FW is and our little empires are and Null Sec is where the big boy EVE Alliances are. - High Sec As High Sec is the home of our Pub PVP battles, it makes sense to start PvE there. These battles are constantly generated, being automatically "scanned" by the various groups that inhabit High Sec (NPCs), this means that if you ever want to que up for a Coop PVE fight, it doesn't mean you have to sit around. Low Sec In Low Sec, the only thing I'm looking at is Molden Heath as I don't know enough about it EVE side. In Molden Heath, District Owners are able to scan their district whenever they want, this will notify them that the district is clear or has hostile Drones on it. An EVE Player can also scan planets and it will notify the CEO/Directors automatically that the district has been scanned and Drones are detected. Fighting them is simple, you would have to use your clones to kill the Drones but as a result would get higher payments than a public PvE battle as well as better salvage. You'd set a time for the attack and the battle would appear in the Corporation Battle tab similar to if attacking a player district. 10/10 would not bang |
rrune
Fenrir's Wolves RUST415
3
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Posted - 2013.08.02 03:35:00 -
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I absolutely love this ! Development on this idea should be at full attention. It could change DUST 514 forever and promote so many future plans. |
Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
50
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Posted - 2013.08.02 04:40:00 -
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We've got some pretty solid PvE/PVP interaction ideas growing between these couple of post, lets keep it rolling into a Threadnought so we get some BLUE POST attention shall we?
+1, injects much needed depth and life into the bridging of the games. |
Wolverine Canus
Seraphim Auxiliaries
58
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Posted - 2013.08.02 05:01:00 -
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+1 CCP DO THIS dang it |
Alena Ventrallis
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
34
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Posted - 2013.08.02 05:41:00 -
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There is nothing in this that I have issue with. +1
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
2228
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Posted - 2013.08.02 06:49:00 -
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High quality thread. +1.
PvE is one of the things that's keeping me interested in this game. If it was an enjoyable gamemode and it was implemented like this, I'd be playing a lot lot more. |
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Demon Buddah
The Phoenix Federation
47
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Posted - 2013.08.02 07:02:00 -
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PVE is a growing topic, I'd say it's the main topic right now. CCP needs to put this in now. Balance is good in the game and it's needed. What's the point if the game is boring though?. Don't get me wrong love the game, just get's boring after doing the same things over and over again. We have some glitches and bugs. We want that fixed, but with PVE implemented that might not be such a BIG issue as it is now. Maybe. Would definitely make the game a hell of a lot more interesting and fun. Been waiting for this game for years and years, since it was first announced. And I want this game to succeed. |
sly Bandit
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
18
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Posted - 2013.08.02 11:42:00 -
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Bump |
Robert JD Niewiadomski
NULLIMPEX INC
414
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Posted - 2013.08.02 12:59:00 -
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+1
Following could be a temporary placeholder for fully fledged and delivered OP idea. Until we get the real deal:
If CCP lacks actual working models for PvE drones, they can be made "quickly" by using existing game assets. Thought some work needs to be done. Anyway, "drones" can be made by fitting RDV with turret installations. Both turrets and RDVs can sense and follow players. They could be made with different sizes, HP and DPS. Maybe their AI needs some more aggressive tweak? If not it could be made up for with increased number of RDV drones per level. Or HP or DPS.
Instead of delivering a vehicle RDV would deliver a new RDV drone. If somebody called a vehicle, there could be some risk of RDV delivering it, being captured by drones and turned into the drone. With a message: Delivery canceled. RDV captured by drones. This would elongate wait time for another vehicle.
It could be then used to generate (at random, controlled by CCP, intervals) 16v16 (16 clones v 16(max) drones ) corp Ambush battles (no MCC, 15 minutes long or no clones/drones left) by "infestating" owned districts with RDV drones. Clones for battle would be taken from district and would deplete with every merc's respawn. The Ambush corp battle could be entered instantly. And would stay there as long as there are drones left. Any drone left would replicate at some fixed rate. Meaning new drones to fight next battle. If the rate is less than 15 minutes, drones could replicate during battle too. Next battle could start immediately or at later time. Have no idea what max number of drones could a district hold. 100? 200? Or just 16 badass killer machines...
If drones are undefeated for too long (say, for 1-2 days - 1st Phase) counting from the first day of infestation, the district would become locked and not producing clones - 2nd Phase. As if attacked. If a district looses all clones during drone battles or drones are not defeated in 3 days, it becomes owned by RDV drones and corp looses the district, clones and biomass ISK. New owner would need to fight drones first with new, 36 mill ISK, 120 clones pack. During the 1st Phase of infestation district could be attacked by other corps. Drones would shoot at both teams.
If a district gets attacked by other corp during 1st Phase of infestation there would be two battle queues in corp battles for a given district. One instant Ambush battle - for battling drones, and another scheduled PC battle for battling drones and other corp. Ambush queue could be entered independently of PC, even at the same time (in parallel universe ) and helping to lower drone count in district and in PC battle in real time. With 1-2 drones limit per PC battle. But if there are more than 1-2 drones in a district, another arrive to replace destroyed drones.
Some indicator in corp tab of star map would be necessary to monitor progress of district infestation.
Maybe new corps would be more eager to enter PC just to get the chance to fight RDV drones
It almost seems to me (but i might be wrong ) like using existing Lego bricks to make new combination... If it would take 1-2 man-weeks of work for CCP, would it be worth of interrupting core improvements efforts just to deliver this for our pleasure? And most importantly would we be pleased? Would we accept such a stopgap? I would |
EternalRMG
ZionTCD
514
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Posted - 2013.08.02 14:13:00 -
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EternalRMG
ZionTCD
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Posted - 2013.08.03 17:28:00 -
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EternalRMG
ZionTCD
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EternalRMG
ZionTCD
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Posted - 2013.08.04 04:16:00 -
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Devs TAKE A LOOK AT THIS or..... i will take Wolfman-¦s lamb away |
sammus420
Goonfeet Top Men.
245
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Posted - 2013.08.04 04:35:00 -
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I feel like PVE should incorporate mining into it. Your districts would be always open for your corp to walk around in, and with proper modules on your vehicles or with hand scanners, you could uncover resources. Once resources are discovered, players with certain "mining weapons" could go out and acquire these minerals. While players are busy mining, drones would come in and try to take the minerals away, killing all that oppose them. To keep the miners safe, other members of the corp would have to fight them off, or the miners could take the risky route and drive them off in between mining.
While all this is going on, small groups of other players should be able to drop into the planet and attempt to kill the miners and take the minerals for themself. All of this would take place outside of the lobby shooter mechanics, there would be no match queuing, the miners would mine at their leisure, drones would always be a thing trying to steal resources, and players could raid whenever they wanted. |
EternalRMG
ZionTCD
534
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Posted - 2013.08.04 16:43:00 -
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EternalRMG
ZionTCD
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