DUST Search - EVE/DUST: Bridging two games through PvE

Yagihige wrote:

I mentioned an idea i had in local chat and people seemed to like it so i'm wondering if there's more people that would support it.

First of all, i have to say that i never played EVE, so excuse me if i get some things wrong.

Now, most of us will be aware that Drone co-op is coming sometime in the future. CCP discussed it at Fanfest and showed the design for the drones and the drone installations from where they spawn. They also mentioned how it could be that districts in Planetary Conquest would randomly become infected so your Dust corp involved in PC would have a bit of cleaning up to do on the districts they owned which also would give people more things to do with their districts.

My idea was that the Drone co-op would be a perfect opportunity to get the Dust/EVE link a much needed overhaul. If these infestations that were hinted by CCP to happen in PC districts were to also happen in planets controlled by EVE corporations, it would open an intersting way to get EVE pilots invested in contracting Dust soldiers to work for them.

The system would be setup like this:
- Districts have to be in place not only in the current planets but on nullsec planets too.
- Ground drone infestations would occur randomly on any (temperate for now) planet containing districts.
- Drone infestations in districts where Instant Battles take place would be available to all, designed for single players.
- Drone infestations in FW districts would be available to squads made prior to entering battle.
- Drone infestations in planets owned by EVE corps would temporarily affect negatively the benefits said corps get from owning that planet. They'd have two options: wait it out or contract mercenaries to clean up the infestation.

There would be a lot of specifics to iron out but this could open up some new interactions between both games. There could be EVE corps that would fully work side by side with the mercenaries they contract (i'd hope them to be able to contract specific players) or just open a contract that would appear in Dust for random players to fill and initiate. EVE corps would pay a sum of money to initiate a contract and a major part of that amount would act as a sink with only a fraction ending up getting to Dust players. For example, EVE corp pays 100M ISK, Dust mercs share 1M ISK of loot for the contract.

So, that's my idea. Suggestions are appreciated.


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Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2336	Posted - 2013.08.02 00:28:00 - [1] - Quote EVE/DUST: Bridging two games through PvE As we all know, DUST and EVE really don't have that much of a connection, CCP can say it til they're blue in the face but nobody cares, it doesn't affect us, but there is a little bit of a connection and CCP are taking it slow and steadily, which makes sense, it's perfectly reasonable. There's been some posts on PvE and some are brilliant idea, take Yagihige's post for example. Yagihige wrote: I mentioned an idea i had in local chat and people seemed to like it so i'm wondering if there's more people that would support it. First of all, i have to say that i never played EVE, so excuse me if i get some things wrong. Now, most of us will be aware that Drone co-op is coming sometime in the future. CCP discussed it at Fanfest and showed the design for the drones and the drone installations from where they spawn. They also mentioned how it could be that districts in Planetary Conquest would randomly become infected so your Dust corp involved in PC would have a bit of cleaning up to do on the districts they owned which also would give people more things to do with their districts. My idea was that the Drone co-op would be a perfect opportunity to get the Dust/EVE link a much needed overhaul. If these infestations that were hinted by CCP to happen in PC districts were to also happen in planets controlled by EVE corporations, it would open an intersting way to get EVE pilots invested in contracting Dust soldiers to work for them. The system would be setup like this: - Districts have to be in place not only in the current planets but on nullsec planets too. - Ground drone infestations would occur randomly on any (temperate for now) planet containing districts. - Drone infestations in districts where Instant Battles take place would be available to all, designed for single players. - Drone infestations in FW districts would be available to squads made prior to entering battle. - Drone infestations in planets owned by EVE corps would temporarily affect negatively the benefits said corps get from owning that planet. They'd have two options: wait it out or contract mercenaries to clean up the infestation. There would be a lot of specifics to iron out but this could open up some new interactions between both games. There could be EVE corps that would fully work side by side with the mercenaries they contract (i'd hope them to be able to contract specific players) or just open a contract that would appear in Dust for random players to fill and initiate. EVE corps would pay a sum of money to initiate a contract and a major part of that amount would act as a sink with only a fraction ending up getting to Dust players. For example, EVE corp pays 100M ISK, Dust mercs share 1M ISK of loot for the contract. So, that's my idea. Suggestions are appreciated. Overall the suggestion is solid, and I'd truly like to build on it, remember click the link above and give the man a +1 for a great idea. So anyways, onto building the idea, Drones can be the proper tether to EVE side, giving us the ability to use it in building a bridge for DUST and EVE, it needs to start slow and needs to benefit both sides, provides an income for DUST Players and also creates an ISK "Sink" for both sides. So Drone Infestation would involve High Sec, Low Sec and Null Sec, I don't know too much about the security statuses as I'm not an EVE Player, but High is where we pubstomp and where the Empires are, Low is where FW is and our little empires are and Null Sec is where the big boy EVE Alliances are. - High Sec As High Sec is the home of our Pub PVP battles, it makes sense to start PvE there. These battles are constantly generated, being automatically "scanned" by the various groups that inhabit High Sec (NPCs), this means that if you ever want to que up for a Coop PVE fight, it doesn't mean you have to sit around. Low Sec In Low Sec, the only thing I'm looking at is Molden Heath as I don't know enough about it EVE side. In Molden Heath, District Owners are able to scan their district whenever they want, this will notify them that the district is clear or has hostile Drones on it. An EVE Player can also scan planets and it will notify the CEO/Directors automatically that the district has been scanned and Drones are detected. Fighting them is simple, you would have to use your clones to kill the Drones but as a result would get higher payments than a public PvE battle as well as better salvage. You'd set a time for the attack and the battle would appear in the Corporation Battle tab similar to if attacking a player district. Null Sec As Null Sec isn't accessible to DUST Mercs at this moment in time, EVE Players can scan their planets to find a drone hive, if there is one, they have two options, Public or Private battle. If they don't really care, they select public and pay the fee required, this would mirror the Public battles and would give the same payout, but better salvage. You would randomly join the battle like a pub match. If however, they wish to hire privately, they put in their ISK payment(CCP would need to work out numbers here, as to not destroy economy) into the box, so if they want to pay 1,000,000 ISK, they just put that number in, then they type in the name of the Corporation they want to receive the Contract, this creates a new way of working with DUST Corporations to ensure their planets stay drone free. The payment is then paid directly into the Corporation's Coffers, players receive their salvage, this means CEOs will pay out to the guys who've fought in the battle. (It can always be split otherwise, just throwing ideas out there) -
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2336	Posted - 2013.08.02 00:28:00 - [2] - Quote Now, theres a question, why bother fighting? Well I believe Drones should slowly destroy a district/planets income, along with this I also believe that Infestation should spread across the planet, and then across to other planets, system by system. Left undestroyed they would ravage systems and players would need to stop them. What happens when they are on a district? Well, when an Infestation appears, it's a basic level Installation, not hard to destroy, but over time it will grow, I would visually show this through an Infestation percentage, the higher the percentage, the higher the difficulty of the infestation. Level I - 1%-20% Level II - 21%-40% Level III - 41%-60% Level IV - 61%-80% Level V - 81%-100% So, if a district is left alone, the infestation will increase, raising its difficulty level. There will be more drones and they will be harder to kill. Not only this, the higher the percentage, the more they take away resources, let's use clones as a current example with the idea that each percentage of infestation will take away the same percentage of clone production. Your district has a level 3 Infestation, the scan shows it's infested 65% of your district, you usually produce 80 clones, now you produce 28 clones. Make sense? So obviously the key here is to kill the drones because that's cutting into your income, massively. Similar thing for EVE Players, their resources will begin to get ravaged by Drones and would need to be fixed. How does Infestation happen? Infestation will occur randomly, it won't happen repeatedly on your districts unless a nearby district is a "hive" district, so once you've cleared it out once, it will be a little bit till they come back. Now I mentioned "Hive" Districts, these are districts that have 100% infestation, this concept comes to me from Slay, I'm sure many of you have played it (If you haven't, check out the DUST 514 space on Playstation Home, you're able to play Slay there), whilst battling your enemies for territory, Terrorists will spring up and begin spreading across your hexes, this then makes it so the hex, whilst still yours, does not give out any income for that turn. You must move your units on to the hexes to take them back, but this can be a pain especially when trying to maintain defense of your borders. Left alone, these terrorists spread until it reaches a point where it's dominated not only your territory but others as well. Back to DUST, if you leave your territory to be overrun by the Drones (Or you're really bad at killing drones..) then once they've reached 100% they'll begin to start attacking other districts, starting the process on the districts on your planet. This will begin to spiral out of control because if they do manage to build hives on every single district, they'll begin to spread to the next planet, then the next system and then sure enough you've got an epidemic. Now, whilst the bad thing is you make no money, and can't regenerate clones from attacks, it's possible that if you defend your hive valliantly, these drones can attack other districts, and begin to stop other districts production, meaning not only have you screwed yourself over, but you've helped screw over everyone else. I love this Universe. - This idea adds PvE for public matches, adds it to Districts, allowing more fun and strategy to take place but also helps connect us to EVE just a little bit more. I know this was a long read but thanks if you did read it, and again +1 Yagihige's post, and then +1 more of his posts, Thanks!
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2337	Posted - 2013.08.02 00:41:00 - [3] - Quote sly Bandit wrote: Instead of instant public matches make them so they appear in the mercenary tab. Which ones, the high sec or the Null Sec ones? Null Sec ones would make sense, but High Sec ones should just be a mode called Drone Infestation or whatever.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2337	Posted - 2013.08.02 00:56:00 - [4] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: Make Null Sec infestation Spread faster. Also make so, that as a corporation if you Manage to win a Fight in a Hive (lvl V infestation) you win lets say 100 Drones, that you can send to any other planet to infest (enemy planets for example) thus making people actually have districts full of drones just for this. Other wise, big corps would just attack the district as soon as they spot drones Well it's to be expected, but you would have to scan your districts, not paying attention or not assigning someone to do it would be your downfall. Sucking at killing drones again, would be your downfall :P Rogue Drones kill all the things, they're not going to attack other places for you, but like I said, maintaining a Level V infestation on your district, these would automatically attack other districts anyways. btw, inb4DroneRPerscreateacorp. sly Bandit wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: sly Bandit wrote: Instead of instant public matches make them so they appear in the mercenary tab. Which ones, the high sec or the Null Sec ones? Null Sec ones would make sense, but High Sec ones should just be a mode called Drone Infestation or whatever. The null sec ones should be in the merc tab. Makes sense EternalRMG wrote: High Sec: Weak Drones, Pub Matches Low Sec: Medium Drone, FW Null Sec: All kinds, Fast Spread, Fast level up, PC High Sec by default would be level 1/2 Drones Hives, nothing higher than that. Low Sec is where our PC is aswell as FW Null Sec is where hardcore EVE players are. Low Sec and Null Sec should have the same level of infestation, Null Sec generates more ISK for EVE Players so even at the same rate, they take a bigger hit.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2337	Posted - 2013.08.02 01:04:00 - [5] - Quote Edited OP, included some things.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2413	Posted - 2013.08.07 12:08:00 - [6] - Quote Nobody likes mah threads :( King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2426	Posted - 2013.08.10 21:56:00 - [7] - Quote BUMP!
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2444	Posted - 2013.08.12 12:56:00 - [8] - Quote gargantuise aaron wrote: I'm up for it, but let there be incoplete victories, theirs 200 drones in the distic we kill 50 but lose they have 150 left and whoever else can help clear the hive and you can launch attacks whenever a ceo can set his corp to attack at 3:00 3:30 and 4:00 And if its cleared after battle 2 battle 3 just doesn't happen no gain or loss Timers would have to be balanced, and unsuccessful attacks should be punished through Drones gaining more influence across a district, so just killing 50 of them might result in them having even more drones come the next fight. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2541	Posted - 2013.08.16 11:07:00 - [9] - Quote Bump. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2635	Posted - 2013.08.22 11:10:00 - [10] - Quote 3rd Page! Woo... King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote: CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.

Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2653	Posted - 2013.08.23 10:26:00 - [11] - Quote martinofski wrote: Loved the idea. +1 I would mabe add that the level of infestation should appear randomly to. So let say an infestation start on a district, it might have chance to be lvl1 and also lvl5 with a different % chance of severity. Like this let say : lvl1 injestation : 50% chance of happening Lvl2 : 20% lvl3:15% lvl4 : 10% lvl5 : 5% Why? Because we don't want them all to start at level one, because you wont see any level 5 infestation around unless players decide to wait until they exist...which will never happen because everyone will be too exited doing PvE. Players will kill all the clones as soon as they appear without increase in difficulty. Just a thought, maybe I just missed it somewhere. Interesting suggestion, It does make sense gameplay-wise to do it :D King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote: CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2851	Posted - 2013.08.28 05:02:00 - [12] - Quote BAM! King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote: CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.
Jason Pearson Animus Securities 3036	Posted - 2013.10.18 18:27:00 - [13] - Quote I can go and make a terribad suggestion and eventually I'll get a blue post on it, I spend time making a decent suggestion, explaining the idea and I get no acknowledgement, seems to be the case with every suggestion I have ever posted on this forum, a single line or a bad post and I get a response, a good one and nothing happens. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
Jason Pearson Animus Securities 3044	Posted - 2013.10.23 23:15:00 - [14] - Quote Fight me. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!