A built on resistance would be nice, but what amount? Too much and a fix to turret aiming could make the ADS slightly overpowered, too little and well the pile of **** will be slightly shallower.

+1 I forge and giggle in anticipation of the +75 when I hear a dropship. Well as long as the kill gets credited. What I would really like would be some actual landing gear, can't set a dropship down without it exploding or taking quite a while...

Enough that every conceivable fittings/build isn't easily 2-3 shot in under 2.5 seconds by assault forge guns would be a good amount I think.

Just let passengers shoot out of the passenger seat that way you can obliterate everything with the forge gunners in the derpship

Afterburner, armor reps and armor hardeners are they key
Activate those 3 when you get hit, you will be able to resist 3 shots from a fully spec-¦ ed forge guneer with the ishukone Assault forge and by the time they want to hit you a fourth timr you are way to far

I'd like to point out the time-frame.

You are hovering/landing/dropping/picking up/gunning or anything other than zooming around fast being useless*

1. Forge hits you out of nowhere. Assault CAN do 5000 damage if it hits weak spot, your ship will be dead if you have no defenses on. So lets assume you had all hardeners running fresh.

2. From the moment of impact you now can take perhaps 2 more hits before being dead. Takes you a split second to activate AB and REP and start moving fast to evade.

3. The charge time of assault forge gun has already finished. He was half way charged when the first bullet hit you, When you turned on modules and started to build momentum he already had the second shot lined up and its in the air. It hits you because you simply cannot move that fast.

4. After burner still takes a second to boot up. Also takes time to build momentum. Can you move even one ship-space away before the third shot kills you now? Depends on a few variables but often times not.


From the moment the first shot hits you out of nowhere you have about a total of 2.5 seconds to react and evade the remaining 3 shots in his clip, of which only 2 are needed to kill you.

2 seconds is enough time to realize you've been hit, activate an after burner, activate a rep.
the remaining 0.5 seconds is not enough time to move out of FG's tracking on you. Momentum can't be built that fast.

Can't you should constantly be moving because everyone knows this means you are a wasted player flying around looking pretty. All of the DS functions require some slowing down or stabilization at points.

Evasibe manuevers.

As soon as you get hitAB are first, then reps then hardener

But the key to avoiding forge shots is thinking like a forge gunner. They always aim to the middle of the dropship or above it of youre moving.They key is placing your thrusters in the front and then go like in reverse, look at the second shot pass in front of you, tilt the dropship to the front, and GTFO ask your team to take him out while you hover above the battlefield out of his range

From the moment the first shot hits you out of nowhere you have about a total of 2.5 seconds to react and evade the remaining 3 shots in his clip, of which only 2 are needed to kill you.

Base assault forge charge up is 2 seconds. With level 5, it's 75% of that, or 1.5 seconds. The forgegunner needs 4.5 seconds to get the rest of his clip out. 3 shots in 2.5 seconds is 1 shot every 0.8 seconds, and that's wrong.

Now, I'm not saying 4.5 seconds is a lot of time, and I agree that dropships are easy to take out (I have no problem when just running a militia variant with no FG skills whatsoever), but you shouldn't have such blantantly inaccurate statements in your arguments, it weakens the perception of them, no matter how accurate your intent.

im confused why some people say the turrets are not working. Aside from rails they are near perfect. I can kill very easily with ads and my gunners can also. and to the guy saying better landing gear I say you need better flying. I think they need more resistances/ hp and redline tanks and forges need to change.

Well since uprising there has been a bug this does not allow any turret gunner on ANY dropship to aim the turret near the lower front half of the ship, or the gun snaps out of their hand and aligns itself along the side of the ship. This drastically cuts down on your kill-zone while flying. And if you turn the ship a little while normally the turret would be okay to move with the ship some, if it hits that zone again it gets reset upward and aiming at nothing. This is

REALLY REALLY ANNOYING. But only someone who guns in a derpship would know about this bug, hence not many people talk about it.

That and missiles still have some accuracy problems when moving. A little.

Problem is there is a fine line between the dropship being as tough as wet toilet paper and it being practially impossible to kill. The reason why I think they left them out is because with afterburners and the ability to tank at least 3 shots from a forge gun I am almost impossible to take down short of being hit by 3 forge shots at the same time and swarms are a joke as all I do is blast away, rep, and then fly back in.

What I think needs to be done is give dropships great alpha strike ability. It may be able to tank only 2-3 hits but in that time it is highly lethal. For the most part helicopters were not originally designed to hang around an area and offer a constant rain of fire, they would pop out of cover (a hill or building), fire off a salvo of rockets, and then flee (as a single tank shot would destroy it).

Problem with that theory is that while sustained fire from a dropship is quite effective at times it requires staying still in an area for a sustained period of time, so with fragile dropships that makes dead pilots. Not to mention the pilot spends a great deal of time fighting his own vehicle to try and stay in position. Honestly the dropship is probably the most counter-intuitive vehicle I have every flown. I've been flying dropships for months and still most of my kills fall under the luck category rather than skill.

o ok yeah that is true

Sorry was I off by a second?

After the first hit is fired, traveled and impacts the vehicle the second shot is at least half charged or right about to fire correct?


What is the fire time per shot? So we can figure out how quickly 2 shots can be fired after the first one has hit and player has a half second reaction time?

2 of your 3 questions were answered in the post you quoted.

Flight time vs charge time is irrelavant, as that second shot will still have the same flight time (or more if the dropship is moving away or less if the dropship is moving forward), and thus for a static dropship, the time between shots hitting is the same as the time between the shots being fired. The second shot isn't hitscan after the first had travel time. They both have travel time.

But the problem was that you were claiming that FGs fired twice as fast as they actually do, which will make it easy for people to dismiss your valid argument by saying it is based on faulty facts.

I think I'm coming across as more hostile than I intend. We're both on the same side here, I just want to make sure we plug up any holes in the argument so that the case is solid.

Make the map bigger, so the gap from MCC to the objective is larger and remove MCC. Makes drop ships important and we get bigger maps