So been hammering this for months but it tends to fall out of sight because of all the balance issues. We've waited months for the Rollover system that was the intended iteration of the SP system. The current system is the temporary system in place until that rollover system could be implmented.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=483247#post483247

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=52633 What sad is this was posted in february and rollover was targeted for release on Uprising which wold have been the next major release. Now i get that there is a lot of other issues that are taking away from iterating a rollover system, or perhaps its been abandoned altogether.

But lets face it the dev resources needed for rollover could be completely eliminated by removing the SP Cap outright. The intention of trying to limit the gap between casual and hardcore players is instead creating a larger vacuum between new and veteran players. The delay in time to get into fighting shape often leads to discouragement and most wont even take the time. Moreover given the low pool of players to begin with it creates stagnation at the top as the veterans have to wait for new competition to arise.

IT has created almost a system of educational classes where each new crop of players is like a freshman class that is forever behind the seniors and when the seniors graduate(leave the game) the freshman move up but in the end all you have is a non-cycling conveyor of players with no retention at both the bottom and the top. So instead of growth in the playerbase all you are getting is a steady state and over time will result in decline.


Getting rid of the SP CAP has far more benefits at the bottom then it has deleterious effects at the top. It really is time to just get rid of it already.

So been hammering this for months but it tends to fall out of sight because of all the balance issues. We've waited months for the Rollover system that was the intended iteration of the SP system. The current system is the temporary system in place until that rollover system could be implmented.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=483247#post483247

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=52633 What sad is this was posted in february and rollover was targeted for release on Uprising which wold have been the next major release. Now i get that there is a lot of other issues that are taking away from iterating a rollover system, or perhaps its been abandoned altogether.

But lets face it the dev resources needed for rollover could be completely eliminated by removing the SP Cap outright. The intention of trying to limit the gap between casual and hardcore players is instead creating a larger vacuum between new and veteran players. The delay in time to get into fighting shape often leads to discouragement and most wont even take the time. Moreover given the low pool of players to begin with it creates stagnation at the top as the veterans have to wait for new competition to arise.

IT has created almost a system of educational classes where each new crop of players is like a freshman class that is forever behind the seniors and when the seniors graduate(leave the game) the freshman move up but in the end all you have is a non-cycling conveyor of players with no retention at both the bottom and the top. So instead of growth in the playerbase all you are getting is a steady state and over time will result in decline.


Getting rid of the SP CAP has far more benefits at the bottom then it has deleterious effects at the top. It really is time to just get rid of it already.

I'm guessing that getting rid of the SP cap is not likely since that would cut months of potential booster purchases from new players. CCP would be throwing away money.

I'm guessing that getting rid of the SP cap is not likely since that would cut months of potential booster purchases from new players. CCP would be throwing away money.

I'm guessing that getting rid of the SP cap is not likely since that would cut months of potential booster purchases from new players. CCP would be throwing away money.

It was a dumb idea the last 20 times someone suggested this. It still is.

I'd say fix the skill tree so it's not a linear SP sink and either make SP 100% passive (with new players gaining SP faster) or finally implement the SP rollover we were promised.

Truthfully, getting rid of active SP in favor of full passive SP is a much better option for Dust than removing the cap.

Truthfully, getting rid of active SP in favor of full passive SP is a much better option for Dust than removing the cap.

Oh, and my quest to raise awareness about diversity and true balance is something CCP should be focusing on, not just me.

this I never want to see, if people don't play after capping out now, why would they play at all if it's passive, they'd show up play 1 or 2 games then leave.

The game needs to be fun to play. Masking that with an SP grind is part of the problem. Removing the SP cap will just add to the grind feel of Dust, and make it feel like a job.

Passive SP only would get rid of afkers and solve other problems as well, including the grind.

Truthfully, getting rid of active SP in favor of full passive SP is a much better option for Dust than removing the cap.

Here's a better solution. Move Dust to PC ^_^ (then bring it to ps4 since you are going to remove the turn cap on KB/m I believe)

The game needs to be fun to play. Masking that with an SP grind is part of the problem. Removing the SP cap will just add to the grind feel of Dust, and make it feel like a job.

Passive SP only would get rid of afkers and solve other problems as well, including the grind.

Yeah, if they get rid of the cap, they should just get rid of Active SP.

If they simply get rid of the cap, then the no-lifers will no-life it up.

No-lifers are bad m'kay?

If there wasn't a cap I'd start buying boosters again but atm its a ******* waste lmao hit the cap in a few hours well theres a week of booster gone

I'm not sure if I'm for or against removing the SP cap because surely it will just mean people with AFK for longer?

They'll set up some bot and like mine over night. That's right, AFKing whilst you're asleep.

Or set an alarm every 20 minutes.

I'm not sure if I'm for or against removing the SP cap because surely it will just mean people with AFK for longer?

They'll set up some bot and like mine over night. That's right, AFKing whilst you're asleep.

Or set an alarm every 20 minutes.

Instead of removing the cap entirely they could just triple the SP gains up until the current 190k cap and then remove the 1k cap beyond that, so that you'll get 1SP for 1WP with no 1k maximum cap.

This would mean that you need very few matches to hit your weekly cap, while allowing a larger amount of SP to be obtained after hitting the cap.

We wouldn't see as many AFKers as we do now, since they will hit their cap faster and are still unable to get any SP beyond that cap without actually playing (although Nova Knife is confident that come 1.4 there will be no more AFK possible).

If AFK is killed in 1.4 while a cap still remains consider that the end of players logging on for Dust.

If AFK is killed in 1.4 while a cap still remains consider that the end of players logging on for Dust.

Nova Knife is confident AFK is mostly impossible in 1.4, but if they did as I said and removed that 1k cap people would be able to get way more SP for Skirmish matches and slightly more than 1k for Ambush matches (but Ambush matches would also end faster than Skirmish matches).

So been hammering this for months but it tends to fall out of sight because of all the balance issues. We've waited months for the Rollover system that was the intended iteration of the SP system. The current system is the temporary system in place until that rollover system could be implmented.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=483247#post483247

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=52633 What sad is this was posted in february and rollover was targeted for release on Uprising which wold have been the next major release. Now i get that there is a lot of other issues that are taking away from iterating a rollover system, or perhaps its been abandoned altogether.

But lets face it the dev resources needed for rollover could be completely eliminated by removing the SP Cap outright. The intention of trying to limit the gap between casual and hardcore players is instead creating a larger vacuum between new and veteran players. The delay in time to get into fighting shape often leads to discouragement and most wont even take the time. Moreover given the low pool of players to begin with it creates stagnation at the top as the veterans have to wait for new competition to arise.

IT has created almost a system of educational classes where each new crop of players is like a freshman class that is forever behind the seniors and when the seniors graduate(leave the game) the freshman move up but in the end all you have is a non-cycling conveyor of players with no retention at both the bottom and the top. So instead of growth in the playerbase all you are getting is a steady state and over time will result in decline.


Getting rid of the SP CAP has far more benefits at the bottom then it has deleterious effects at the top. It really is time to just get rid of it already.

Whats the benefit ?

Instead of playing against guys with 20m sp, you are now being rolled by guys with 100m sp that have every build out there to counter your single build, they are swiss army knifes while your a blunt one.

Have fun carving out those 100 millions of SP against the 24/7 folk, and by the time you got 100m sp, youll be either bored out of your mind, feel the need to grind to keep up to their now 150m sp or quit altogether after a combined team of 1b SP wipes the floor with you, oh and there 2 of those teams in your match.

Yeah, i see the benefits clearly....

You remove the SP cap i will be able to skill up into every class, suit, weapon, mods, equipment and still have enough left over to skill into what is to come

Essentially i dont care right now, if we have no cap i can get well ahead, if we all go passive then everyone at the same rate and no one gets ahead, if it stays the same we will have varying levels of players

You remove the SP cap i will be able to skill up into every class, suit, weapon, mods, equipment and still have enough left over to skill into what is to come

Essentially i dont care right now, if we have no cap i can get well ahead, if we all go passive then everyone at the same rate and no one gets ahead, if it stays the same we will have varying levels of players

And you can skill into the entire SP tree for all I care, it wont make an ounce of difference against a skilled team of balanced players who select their players to create an effective team composition.

No one gets ahead?

lol wut?

Everyone has different amounts of SP already... so what is this 'ahead'?

You know there is something like 600 million SP in the game already? If you have the stamina to skill up that much as it is, then you deserve to have it all.

Also, removing the cap would have to come at an adjustment to active SP gain rate, but its still quite feasible.

Im speaking if 2 players start at the same time

Essentially i cant see CCP changing the SP rate since we are released anyways, they may add the rollover cap and stop at that

Honestly, they might as well do it now. There are already people who have a particular role fully maxed out. It's not going to make them any better, only allow them more diverse roles. Removing it would allow people who don't have one maxed out to catch up. Having 2,3,4 roles maxed doesn't matter: once you get one you're on a level playing field. Problem is a lot of people don't have 1 and the cap prevents them from getting there sooner. It would also help the player count I presume. #'s on Tuesday are generally much lower than other days.

But that 100mil player may skill into all the tree because he has more SP than he knows what to do with but may never touch half of the weapons and builds

He could stay assault for example but because of the 100mil SP he can quickly change to whatever is needed where as the 20mil team need certain ppl to do that job

100mil team can just be as organized as the 20mil team problem is they have alot more options and change tactics on the fly to counter the enemy

Overall it gives the 100mil players more freedom where as the lower SP players need to be careful with SP and make full use of what they have

So a new players has to be more thoughtful in how the engage and attack an higher level enemy in MMOs instaed of just mindlessly going at them button mashing and tab targeting their way to a win, shudder the thought

Yes thats is kind of the point. But in the end the field is far more level then a proto user vs an advanced gear user. Moreover there are only so many counters to playstyles and many things can overlap. So yes if a team brings in a properly composed team of 20M SP players they can neutralize every threat a 100M SP team could throw at it.

An AR kills a Gallente Assualt as effectively as a Caldari Assault as effectively as Minmatar scout etc etc etc. The difference is neglible there.

A Proto SL can handle both Armor and Shield tanks when combined with another SL or FG or a few AV nades. That same AV team can tackle Dropships and LAVs of all racial varaints

Mass Drivers will make short work of all heavies, period.

A good sniper can keep all at bay for quite some time

Shotguns are effective against EVERYTHNG IN CQC

REmotes and Proxies add a bit more flair.

16 Players means thats a lot of variety on the field and a lot of cross variety coverage since counters in this game dont operate on a strict 1:1 relationship.

Still i only see Advantages being thrown around disguised as benefits, i still havent read a thing why its beneficial that you can now grind your experience like its a wow clone, lets say i am a new player and i can now grind 20m SP to catch" up to the brass of most people....

Will i even feel like doing all that grinding or will i go play a game thats feels less then work, more like you know a game ? to keep up with the gross of the playerbase?

I play Eve and my Pilot has around 20m sp, do i feel like i need to grind out 130m sp to catch up with the guys that fly titans ?

I dont because all we grind in Eve is ISK, ISK and more ISK, down here they "added" bonus sp just to cater a bit to the FPS crowd, they should have just done it like eve, passive and nothing else except ISK.

The illusion of you catching up to the vets, is rather you burning out faster and if you can actually keep it up, at some point in time your camel is going to break its back eventually, for me it was the Aiming crap in 1.2, but i am still waiting for the game to pick up again, if this was a no-lifer 24/7 grind fest i would now be looking at catching up to at least 60.000 kills....yeah loads of benefits there ....

There would still be grind, but its at your own pace.

I've seen so many threads over the months about this and it would be nice for a dev to update us on their plans, even if its to say that the current system will be with us for years!