DUST Search - Have you seen the light yet? GET RID OF THE SP CAP

MlDDLE MANGEMENT wrote:

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

MlDDLE MANGEMENT wrote:

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

You remove the SP cap i will be able to skill up into every class, suit, weapon, mods, equipment and still have enough left over to skill into what is to come

Essentially i dont care right now, if we have no cap i can get well ahead, if we all go passive then everyone at the same rate and no one gets ahead, if it stays the same we will have varying levels of players

And you can skill into the entire SP tree for all I care, it wont make an ounce of difference against a skilled team of balanced players who select their players to create an effective team composition.

But that 100mil player may skill into all the tree because he has more SP than he knows what to do with but may never touch half of the weapons and builds

He could stay assault for example but because of the 100mil SP he can quickly change to whatever is needed where as the 20mil team need certain ppl to do that job

100mil team can just be as organized as the 20mil team problem is they have alot more options and change tactics on the fly to counter the enemy

Overall it gives the 100mil players more freedom where as the lower SP players need to be careful with SP and make full use of what they have

So a new players has to be more thoughtful in how the engage and attack an higher level enemy in MMOs instaed of just mindlessly going at them button mashing and tab targeting their way to a win, shudder the thought Blink

Yes thats is kind of the point. But in the end the field is far more level then a proto user vs an advanced gear user. Moreover there are only so many counters to playstyles and many things can overlap. So yes if a team brings in a properly composed team of 20M SP players they can neutralize every threat a 100M SP team could throw at it.

An AR kills a Gallente Assualt as effectively as a Caldari Assault as effectively as Minmatar scout etc etc etc. The difference is neglible there.

A Proto SL can handle both Armor and Shield tanks when combined with another SL or FG or a few AV nades. That same AV team can tackle Dropships and LAVs of all racial varaints

Mass Drivers will make short work of all heavies, period.

A good sniper can keep all at bay for quite some time

Shotguns are effective against EVERYTHNG IN CQC

REmotes and Proxies add a bit more flair.

16 Players means thats a lot of variety on the field and a lot of cross variety coverage since counters in this game dont operate on a strict 1:1 relationship.


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Rei Shepard Spectre II 427	Posted - 2013.08.01 18:00:00 - [1] - Quote MlDDLE MANGEMENT wrote: So been hammering this for months but it tends to fall out of sight because of all the balance issues. We've waited months for the Rollover system that was the intended iteration of the SP system. The current system is the temporary system in place until that rollover system could be implmented. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=483247#post483247 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=52633 What sad is this was posted in february and rollover was targeted for release on Uprising which wold have been the next major release. Now i get that there is a lot of other issues that are taking away from iterating a rollover system, or perhaps its been abandoned altogether. But lets face it the dev resources needed for rollover could be completely eliminated by removing the SP Cap outright. The intention of trying to limit the gap between casual and hardcore players is instead creating a larger vacuum between new and veteran players. The delay in time to get into fighting shape often leads to discouragement and most wont even take the time. Moreover given the low pool of players to begin with it creates stagnation at the top as the veterans have to wait for new competition to arise. IT has created almost a system of educational classes where each new crop of players is like a freshman class that is forever behind the seniors and when the seniors graduate(leave the game) the freshman move up but in the end all you have is a non-cycling conveyor of players with no retention at both the bottom and the top. So instead of growth in the playerbase all you are getting is a steady state and over time will result in decline. Getting rid of the SP CAP has far more benefits at the bottom then it has deleterious effects at the top. It really is time to just get rid of it already. Whats the benefit ? Instead of playing against guys with 20m sp, you are now being rolled by guys with 100m sp that have every build out there to counter your single build, they are swiss army knifes while your a blunt one. Have fun carving out those 100 millions of SP against the 24/7 folk, and by the time you got 100m sp, youll be either bored out of your mind, feel the need to grind to keep up to their now 150m sp or quit altogether after a combined team of 1b SP wipes the floor with you, oh and there 2 of those teams in your match. Yeah, i see the benefits clearly....
Rei Shepard Spectre II 427	Posted - 2013.08.01 18:54:00 - [2] - Quote MlDDLE MANGEMENT wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: MlDDLE MANGEMENT wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: You remove the SP cap i will be able to skill up into every class, suit, weapon, mods, equipment and still have enough left over to skill into what is to come Essentially i dont care right now, if we have no cap i can get well ahead, if we all go passive then everyone at the same rate and no one gets ahead, if it stays the same we will have varying levels of players And you can skill into the entire SP tree for all I care, it wont make an ounce of difference against a skilled team of balanced players who select their players to create an effective team composition. But that 100mil player may skill into all the tree because he has more SP than he knows what to do with but may never touch half of the weapons and builds He could stay assault for example but because of the 100mil SP he can quickly change to whatever is needed where as the 20mil team need certain ppl to do that job 100mil team can just be as organized as the 20mil team problem is they have alot more options and change tactics on the fly to counter the enemy Overall it gives the 100mil players more freedom where as the lower SP players need to be careful with SP and make full use of what they have So a new players has to be more thoughtful in how the engage and attack an higher level enemy in MMOs instaed of just mindlessly going at them button mashing and tab targeting their way to a win, shudder the thought Yes thats is kind of the point. But in the end the field is far more level then a proto user vs an advanced gear user. Moreover there are only so many counters to playstyles and many things can overlap. So yes if a team brings in a properly composed team of 20M SP players they can neutralize every threat a 100M SP team could throw at it. An AR kills a Gallente Assualt as effectively as a Caldari Assault as effectively as Minmatar scout etc etc etc. The difference is neglible there. A Proto SL can handle both Armor and Shield tanks when combined with another SL or FG or a few AV nades. That same AV team can tackle Dropships and LAVs of all racial varaints Mass Drivers will make short work of all heavies, period. A good sniper can keep all at bay for quite some time Shotguns are effective against EVERYTHNG IN CQC REmotes and Proxies add a bit more flair. 16 Players means thats a lot of variety on the field and a lot of cross variety coverage since counters in this game dont operate on a strict 1:1 relationship. Still i only see Advantages being thrown around disguised as benefits, i still havent read a thing why its beneficial that you can now grind your experience like its a wow clone, lets say i am a new player and i can now grind 20m SP to catch" up to the brass of most people.... Will i even feel like doing all that grinding or will i go play a game thats feels less then work, more like you know a game ? to keep up with the gross of the playerbase? I play Eve and my Pilot has around 20m sp, do i feel like i need to grind out 130m sp to catch up with the guys that fly titans ? I dont because all we grind in Eve is ISK, ISK and more ISK, down here they "added" bonus sp just to cater a bit to the FPS crowd, they should have just done it like eve, passive and nothing else except ISK. The illusion of you catching up to the vets, is rather you burning out faster and if you can actually keep it up, at some point in time your camel is going to break its back eventually, for me it was the Aiming crap in 1.2, but i am still waiting for the game to pick up again, if this was a no-lifer 24/7 grind fest i would now be looking at catching up to at least 60.000 kills....yeah loads of benefits there ....